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15:53:14 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:53:14 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2009
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15:54:37 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Apr/0008.html
15:54:44 <RolandMerrick> Chair: Roland
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16:03:36 <Yves> Yves has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Apr/0008.html 
16:03:47 <mphillip> Zakim, aaa is mphillip
16:03:47 <Zakim> sorry, mphillip, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
16:03:54 <mphillip> Zakim, aaaa is mphillip
16:03:54 <Zakim> +mphillip; got it
16:03:56 <Zakim> +eric
16:05:18 <mphillip> scribe: mphillip
16:05:27 <mphillip> Topic: Actions
16:05:35 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
16:06:08 <mphillip> Eric: No progress on action 32
16:06:24 <mphillip> Derek: No progress on action 68
16:06:47 <mphillip> Eric: no progress on action 70 (taken over by Eric a couple of weeks ago)
16:07:33 <mphillip> Roland: has reassigned to Eric
16:07:57 <mphillip> Roland: This is one of the final last-call comments
16:09:01 <mphillip> Eric: Sent follow up to Harald on IRI JNDI issue (action 73) - there was one question left - whether we prefix custom properties on the IRI 
16:10:23 <Zakim> +alewis
16:10:26 <mphillip> Eric: 3 categories of JNDI properties - connection name, standard JNDI properties to establish the connection name, and custom properties relating to a JNDI provider
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16:11:37 <mphillip> Eric: We don't treat the name of properties the same (e.g. some have "jndi-" prefix)
16:12:16 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0019.html
16:13:32 <mphillip> Example: &jndi-com.sun.jndi.someParameter=someValue 
16:14:17 <mphillip> Example: &jndiConnectionFactoryName=CONNFACT
16:15:07 <mphillip> Eric: Favour convention over consistency - "jndi-" prefix seems too verbose
16:15:49 <mphillip> Roland: Harald is asking whether we have considered consistent naming rather than strongly suggesting we change 
16:16:17 <mphillip> Eric:The advantage of our current (inconsistent) scheme is that it is more concise 
16:16:40 <mphillip> Roland: and the additional parameters will be uncommon
16:16:55 <mphillip> (i.e. the "jndi-" parms)
16:17:38 <mphillip> Roland: Suggest we write back stating that the common parameters will be kept without a prefix for brevity
16:18:34 <mphillip> Derek: Suggests changing "jndi-" to "jndiContextParameter"
16:18:53 <Derek> jndiContextParameter-com.sun.foo=bar
16:18:55 <mphillip> for consistency with Binding spec.
16:19:31 <mphillip> Derek: Not as concise, but as we have said, this is the edge case 
16:19:43 <mphillip> Roland: ...and it is consistent with WSDl
16:20:01 <mphillip> Roland: Agreed - this has some merit 
16:20:50 <mphillip> Eric: Likes Derek's suggestion 
16:21:01 <mphillip> Roland: Any disagreement ? 
16:21:22 <mphillip> no-one disgreed with Derek's proposal
16:22:02 <mphillip> RESOLUTION: Eric to update the IRI spec, and write to Harald 
16:22:48 <mphillip> Action: Derek to review the SOAP-JMS Binding spec to see if any changes are required for new jndi naming scheme
16:22:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Review the SOAP-JMS Binding spec to see if any changes are required for new jndi naming scheme [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-04-14].
16:23:56 <mphillip> No progress on action 75 
16:24:17 <mphillip> Amy: sent email to list on action 77 (precedence rules)
16:24:59 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Apr/0007.html
16:25:38 <mphillip> Amy: We need to be clearer that the environment can override the WSDL
16:27:08 <mphillip> Roland: We need to make it clear that when we resolve the URI in the WSDL, it is part of the precedence rules in the WSDL
16:27:44 <mphillip> Amy: Recommends the addition of the single sentence in the email to section 3.4.5
16:28:43 <mphillip> Roland: Does this also apply to WSDL2 ?
16:29:03 <mphillip> Amy: yes, but we handle WSDL 2 by referring to WSDL 1 
16:32:04 <mphillip> Eric: The is a question "How do we know that a URI in the environment overrides the WSDL?"  In TIBCO BusinessWorks, a SOAP/JMS WSDL can be overriden  by the customer 
16:32:54 <mphillip> Roland: Maybe need to strengthen the statements in 2.2 
16:33:12 <mphillip> Amy: The environment includes JMS message 
16:34:54 <mphillip> Roland: Maybe 2.2 is not correct.  States that precedence is Environment, WSDL, URI.  This is a confusing statement
16:36:18 <mphillip> Amy: We should explain that statement means the URI in WSDL.  URI can come from WSDL, environment, or message.  Presumably any ReplyTo URI in the message will trump any other value.  
16:37:47 <mphillip> Amy: If we're not clear we should consider cutting text instead of adding some
16:38:19 <mphillip> Roland: Yes, we should drop the URI from section 2.2, because it is not clear where this URI comes from
16:39:00 <mphillip> (this is point 3 in section 2.2)
16:39:41 <mphillip> Action: Roland to remove point 3 (properties come from JMS URI) from section 2.2 
16:39:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Remove point 3 (properties come from JMS URI) from section 2.2  [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-04-14].
16:39:52 <mphillip> Amy: Offers to review the changes 
16:40:23 <mphillip> TOPIC: Last Call Comments
16:40:25 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2009-01_LC_Comments#Comments
16:40:50 <mphillip> close action-78 
16:40:50 <trackbot> ACTION-78 Chase acknowledgement of all our responses closed
16:41:04 <mphillip> Roland: Has chased up the comments per action 78
16:41:52 <mphillip> LC07 - waiting for Eric's action
16:42:02 <mphillip> LC09 - discussed today 
16:42:45 <mphillip> LC08 - waiting for Dongbo to accept reply
16:43:22 <mphillip> Roland: If we can get these comments accepted, how long will it take to move to Candidate Recommendation
16:44:06 <mphillip> Yves: If we have made major changes we may need another Last Call - this needs to be reviewed
16:44:31 <mphillip> Yves: Would take another 2 weeks to get approval for CR
16:44:57 <mphillip> Roland: So good chance of getting to CR by end of April?  
16:46:28 <mphillip> Roland: Please try to finish last call actions by next week
16:46:39 <Zakim> -eric
16:46:40 <Zakim> -Derek
16:46:42 <Zakim> -mphillip
16:46:43 <Zakim> -alewis
16:46:43 <Zakim> -Yves
16:46:45 <Zakim> -Roland
16:46:46 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
16:46:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Derek, Yves, +0196287aaaa, mphillip, eric, alewis
16:46:53 <Roland> Regrets: Phil
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16:51:33 <Roland> Zakim, please part
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