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09:06:43 <AndyS> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jena-dev/message/38925 (do not read from Hawaii)
09:54:34 <ericP> but what *did* they mean by OWL instead of RDF?
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10:21:23 <AndyS> It's a recurring Q on jena-dev - "how do I convert OWL <-> RDF".  The message "OWL is RDF" has not been heard.
10:21:58 <AndyS> Good morning Steve - see the Guardian today?  http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/01/guardian-twitter-media-technology
10:25:57 <ericP> OWL folks routinely talk about OWL not being RDF
10:26:08 <ericP> i'm not surprised that folks are mislead
10:46:08 <ericP> what does GRAPH <noSuchGraph> { FILTER (?i > 0) } do?
10:49:13 <AndyS> Evaluate to the empty result set.  Sec 12.5 / GRAPH / part 2 : http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#defn_evalGraph
10:52:03 <AndyS> Was that the question?
10:52:48 <ericP> pretty much
10:53:30 <ericP> i was thinking about whether these two are different:
10:54:17 <ericP> { GRAPH <foo> { /* matches at least one row */ } FILTER (1 = 1) }
10:54:35 <ericP> { GRAPH <foo> { /* matches at least one row */ } GRAPH <noSuchGraph> { FILTER (1 = 1) } }
11:03:33 <AndyS> Yes.  And feel free to use FILTER(true) - this isn't SQL-92
11:16:26 <SteveH> AndyS: no, looking
11:16:41 <SteveH> haha, good. liked the El Reg Apple patent one better
11:17:24 <AndyS> The Guardian one is prominently on page 5 of the paper version.  Go for it!
11:24:15 <ivan> AndyS, not a bad one indeed
11:24:43 <ivan> there is also an opera news: http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/04/01/ and a google chrome one: http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/cadie/
11:26:35 <ivan> I wonder whether we will have something like the flying pinguins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxmpihCjqw
11:27:57 <SteveH> el reg are running something on a apple patent: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/01/apple_secrecy_patent/
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12:23:50 <ericP> given an empty default graph, FROM NAMED <foo> { GRAPH <foo> { /* matches at least one row */ } FILTER (true) } gives no results?
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13:41:56 <AndyS> EricP : re: "given an empty default graph" - not no results.  As many as GRAPH...
13:42:45 <AndyS> I misread the {} in an earlier query : { GRAPH <foo> { /* matches at least one row */ } FILTER (1 = 1) } mathes as many times as /**/
13:57:52 <ericP> thanks, AndyS
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