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11:58:52 <joakim> chair: Joakim
11:59:04 <joakim> Scribe: Pierre-Antoine
11:59:08 <Zakim> +wbailer
11:59:32 <Zakim> +veroniqueM
11:59:54 <joakim> Meeting: MAWG
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12:00:19 <joakim> Regrets: Chris, Felix
12:00:32 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aaaa
12:00:38 <Zakim> +wonsuk
12:00:42 <Zakim> +??P3
12:01:03 <Zakim> +pchampin
12:01:18 <tobias> Zakim, ??P1 is me
12:01:18 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as wbailer, tobias
12:02:43 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html 
12:02:48 <pchampin> zakim, scribe: pchampin
12:02:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe: pchampin', pchampin
12:03:00 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
12:03:16 <pchampin> topic: minutes approval
12:03:50 <pchampin> minutes approved
12:04:10 <pchampin> joachim: last meeting before F2F
12:04:21 <daniel> daniel has joined #mediaann
12:04:45 <joakim> who is shepazu please?
12:05:41 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open 
12:05:44 <pchampin> topic: action items
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12:07:58 <Zakim> +??P7
12:08:02 <pchampin> about action 54: Véronique will submit the UC to the list within next week
12:08:13 <tobias> Zakim, ??P0 is me
12:08:13 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
12:09:37 <pchampin> ... if this is of interest to the WG
12:10:02 <pchampin> joachim: think it is interesting (lifecycle)
12:11:13 <pchampin> about action 94: should be re-assigned to Joachim
12:11:23 <pchampin> close action 95
12:11:56 <pchampin> close Action-95
12:11:57 <trackbot> ACTION-95 Invite david to the phone conference closed
12:12:25 <pchampin> close Action-96
12:12:25 <trackbot> ACTION-96 Update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft closed
12:12:45 <pchampin> Joachim: sent the Media Ontology draft to the mailing list
12:12:49 <pchampin> close Action-97
12:12:49 <trackbot> ACTION-97 Send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats closed
12:14:01 <pchampin> about action 98: Thierry sent a mail to the list, some people (Véronique, Felix) replied
12:14:26 <pchampin> ... so if nobody else had comment, we can consider there is a consensus
12:14:34 <pchampin> close Action-98
12:14:34 <trackbot> ACTION-98 Ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft closed
12:15:09 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0111.html
12:15:29 <daniel> ACTION ITEM 94 is changed to Joakim  http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94
12:15:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ITEM
12:16:13 <pchampin> topic: Updating of UC&Req documents
12:17:42 <raphael_> raphael_ has joined #mediaann
12:17:50 <pchampin> Véronique: asking for approval on the mailing list will reach more people than asking at the F2F
12:18:25 <joakim> +1 for remove the mobile uc
12:18:36 <VeroniqueM> +1
12:18:38 <wonsuk> +1 
12:18:42 <wbailer> +1
12:18:46 <Zakim> +raphael
12:18:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:19:53 <pchampin> Véronique: how is the media ontology relevant to the "User generated metadata"?
12:21:16 <raphael> Present: veronique, pierre antoine, joakim, raphael, tobias, werner, wonsuk, hui, felix, daniel
12:22:54 <pchampin> pchampin: anything in user-generated metadata which fit in the media-ontology will benefit users from the point of view of interoperability
12:23:28 <pchampin> topic: mapping table
12:23:36 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0047.html
12:24:53 <pchampin> Joakim: mail from Felix, we have to agree on the table before publishing
12:25:00 <raphael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0062.html
12:25:12 <pchampin> raphael: this has been solved, (see URL above)
12:25:40 <fsasaki> felix (reading IRC) agrees with raphael
12:25:54 <pchampin> ... provided the appropriate warning about the status of this table, it is ok to publish it
12:26:44 <pchampin> joakim: Thierry did the conversion from XLS to HTML. Who will do that now?
12:27:23 <pchampin> Wonsuk: will try
12:27:25 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
12:28:54 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0043.html
12:29:24 <raphael> q+
12:29:32 <pchampin> topic: reviewing the mapping table
12:29:35 <raphael> zakim, ack me
12:29:35 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:29:42 <pchampin> some challengers and version numbers are still missing
12:29:59 <pchampin> raphael: I put my name on the table, but I don't know where to start
12:30:37 <pchampin> ... what kind of assessment  should we provide?
12:32:15 <pchampin> ... should we provide it on the mailing list or in the wiki?
12:32:42 <pchampin> Joakim: a lot of mapping, so on the Wiki seems better
12:33:23 <pchampin> tobias: directly in the mapping table would be more convenient
12:34:37 <pchampin> joakim: will add columns in the stylesheet after F2F
12:35:21 <pchampin> How could we find missing challengers?
12:35:26 <raphael> could we put an action on Joakim to update the link of the sources on which we will assess the mappings ?
12:36:03 <pchampin> daniel: should contact everyone that could be a challenger
12:36:15 <raphael> when this action is due ?
12:36:25 <raphael> no dates for *my* actions, means no work :-(
12:39:59 <pchampin> publication of the media ontology due to 28-04-2009
12:40:56 <pchampin> mapping reviews due to 14-04-2009 (before F2F)
12:41:01 <raphael> thanks
12:41:33 <raphael> you can't asign an action to ALL for the tracker at least
12:42:35 <pchampin> topic: toy implementation
12:42:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:43:47 <pchampin> Véronique: our proposal is not an implementation per se, rather a modelling based on SKOS that could back an implementation
12:45:37 <raphael> zakim, ??P7 is daniel
12:45:37 <Zakim> +daniel; got it
12:46:36 <pchampin> daniel: required guidelines from people having done a toy implementation
12:46:52 <pchampin> joakim: what was the main goal of toy implementations?
12:47:10 <raphael> I think the toy implementations are meant to help designing both the ontology and the API
12:47:45 <raphael> pchampin: toy implementation to help seing which annotation properties will be used, help for selection
12:48:00 <pchampin> pchampin: and to validate which parts of the ontology and the API would *actually* be implemented
12:48:15 <VeroniqueM> and they are about using the ontology too, in my opinion, right?
12:48:24 <pchampin> joakim: the findings of implementors should probably be reported back to the mailing list
12:50:13 <pchampin> daniel: no feedback from volunteers except Véronique and Tobias, so we should double check with the other volunteers
12:50:59 <pchampin> action: daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback
12:50:59 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
12:52:15 <raphael> trackbot, status?
12:52:43 <raphael> ACTION:  Soohong Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback
12:52:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-07].
12:53:22 <raphael> q+ to ask what's the output from Vero/Tobias, re: implementation
12:54:22 <raphael> zakim, ack me
12:54:22 <Zakim> raphael, you wanted to ask what's the output from Vero/Tobias, re: implementation
12:54:24 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:54:27 <raphael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0122.html
12:54:41 <pchampin> pchampin: was expecting feedback on my implementation about the design decisions from the other people
12:56:18 <tobias> this is the email which initiated the thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0067.html
12:56:48 <pchampin> raphael: 2 ways of solving the problems about syntactical issue
12:59:12 <pchampin> raphael: either focusing at the semantic level (e.g. firstName subPropertyOf name), or at the syntactical level (e.g. provide mechanisms to transform the values)
12:59:30 <Zakim> +Shepazu
13:00:59 <shepazu> apologies... I had the telcon scheduled for an hour later
13:01:13 <pchampin> raphael: the purpose of the mapping should be only at the semantic level
13:01:31 <pchampin> ... managing the syntactical discrepancies in the API is not too hard
13:02:44 <pchampin> joakim: somebody should take the responsibility to collect experience from the implentors
13:03:15 <pchampin> pchampin: not sure of the form this collected experience should take, but I can try
13:04:09 <pchampin> raphael: is there an agenda for F2F?
13:04:29 <pchampin> .. need to decide on which timeslots I will join
13:04:39 <shepazu> q+
13:05:25 <pchampin> action: daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F
13:05:25 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
13:06:10 <raphael> trackbot status
13:06:14 <raphael> trackbot, status?
13:06:26 <pchampin> doug: introduces himself
13:06:31 <raphael> ACTION Soohong Daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F
13:06:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-07].
13:06:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:07:24 <Zakim> -veroniqueM
13:07:25 <Zakim> -tobias
13:07:25 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:07:27 <Zakim> -raphael
13:07:29 <Zakim> -??P3
13:07:35 <raphael> adjourned
13:07:36 <Zakim> -Shepazu
13:07:37 <Zakim> - +46.1.07.17.aaaa
13:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:07:42 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:07:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
13:07:49 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:07:51 <Zakim> -daniel
13:08:20 <raphael> Zakim, bye
13:08:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were wbailer, veroniqueM, +46.1.07.17.aaaa, wonsuk, pchampin, tobias, raphael, daniel, Shepazu
13:08:20 <Zakim> Zakim has left #mediaann
13:08:21 <pchampin> Present: veronique, pierre antoine, joakim, raphael, tobias, werner, wonsuk, hui, felix, daniel
13:08:38 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:08:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
13:10:57 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
13:10:57 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-actions.rdf :
13:10:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [1]
13:10:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T12-50-59
13:10:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Soohong Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [2]
13:10:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T12-52-43
13:10:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F [3]
13:10:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T13-05-25