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16:28:28 <lencharest> zakim, this will be SML
16:28:28 <Zakim> ok, lencharest; I see XML_SMLWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
16:28:39 <lencharest> Scribe: Len Charest
16:28:45 <lencharest> ScribeNick: lencharest
16:28:55 <lencharest> Meeting: SML WG teleconference
16:29:04 <lencharest> Chair: John Arwe
16:29:44 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()12:30PM has now started
16:29:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:29:59 <lencharest> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:29:59 <Zakim> +lencharest; got it
16:30:25 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
16:30:25 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
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16:33:23 <johnarwe_> zakim, aaaa is kumar
16:33:23 <Zakim> +kumar; got it
16:33:43 <johnarwe_> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:33:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see lencharest, Ht, Kirk, johnarwe_, kumar, Sandy
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16:36:34 <lencharest> Regrets: Ginny
16:37:00 <lencharest> Topic: Approval of minutes from 3/23
16:37:22 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Mar/att-0035/20090323-sml-minutes.htm
16:37:34 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
16:38:03 <lencharest> Topic: Action Item 210
16:38:17 <lencharest> Henry is reviewing comments submitted by WG members
16:39:47 <lencharest> Henry: I've made the suggested changes related to errors of fact
16:39:50 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Mar/0034.html Arwe comments
16:40:03 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Mar/0042.html Henry's proposal
16:44:57 <lencharest> Henry: Comments C1-C4 are relevant to historical docs only
16:45:34 <lencharest> ... recommend that we do not make changes to historical docs
16:46:21 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C1-C4 will be not be applied to historical docs
16:46:52 <lencharest> Henry: C1-C4 do not apply to current namespace docs
16:47:56 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C5 will not be applied to current docs
16:48:41 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C6  will not be applied to current docs
16:49:01 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C7 will not be applied to current docs
16:50:08 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C8 *WILL* be applied to current docs
16:51:05 <lencharest> Henry: C9 must be applied; we cannot publish docs with broken links
16:51:12 <lencharest> No objection from group
16:51:29 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C9 *WILL* be applied to current docs
16:51:50 <lencharest> John: C10 applies to historical docs only
16:52:35 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C10 *will* be applied to historical docs
16:52:46 <lencharest> John: C11 has already been implemented
16:54:47 <lencharest> John: Should we update sml-err namespace docs to fix per C12?
16:55:56 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Ignore c12 and keep the existing sml-err docs as they are
16:56:17 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C13 *WILL* be applied to current docs
16:57:03 <lencharest> RESOLUTION C13 *WILL* be applied to historical docs
16:57:20 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C13 *WILL* be applied to historical docs
16:57:46 <lencharest> Henry: C14 is complete
16:57:54 <lencharest> Henry: C15 is complete
16:58:09 <lencharest> John: Propose we ignore C16
16:58:24 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Ignore C16 
16:58:38 <lencharest> Henry: C17 must be fixed
16:59:03 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C17 WILL be fixed
16:59:13 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: C18 WILL be fixed
17:00:51 <lencharest> Topic: Bug 6480
17:00:54 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Mar/0037.html ht email
17:01:23 <Zakim> -Sandy
17:02:14 <lencharest> Kumar: Source XML does in fact produce another XML doc
17:02:44 <lencharest> ... in which we need to add by hand the stylesheet ref
17:03:24 <lencharest> Henry: Sounds good. Close the bug.
17:03:48 <lencharest> Topic: XLink Note
17:05:17 <lencharest> Len: We talked through proposed changes last week,  but I haven't had time to update the HTML doc.
17:05:24 <lencharest> Topic: EPR Note
17:05:47 <lencharest> Kirk: Whither [bracketed references] inline?
17:06:01 <lencharest> ... Ginny suggests following W3 style manual.
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17:08:27 <lencharest> Kirk: See section 7.2 in the manual.
17:09:15 <lencharest> Len: 7.2 deals with citations to specs that appear in the References section of the doc. What about hyperlinks to "terms of art"?
17:09:53 <lencharest> Ginny: Are terms of art mentioned in the manual?
17:10:01 <lencharest> Len: Not that I can find/
17:13:41 <lencharest> Henry: Experience has shown that hyperlinking everything of interest makes docs hard to read
17:14:40 <lencharest> Ginny: SML and SML-IF specs do not use brackets around terms of art.
17:15:45 <lencharest> Len: In that case, I suggest we drop the brackets in order to be consistent with our own specs.
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17:16:27 <lencharest> John: The editors must resolve this offline.
17:17:12 <lencharest> Topic: Rec track
17:17:45 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Mar/0038.html ht's email
17:17:50 <lencharest> Henry: I spoke to the AC and pinged the reviewer who submitted the forma lobjection
17:19:03 <lencharest> Henry: I've proposed language in the references which should resolve the objection
17:20:23 <lencharest> Henry: Implementors MUST support XML 4th edition, MAY support later editions
17:21:24 <lencharest> Ginny: Sandy pointed out that the namespace is the same for 4th and 5th eds.
17:21:51 <lencharest> Henry: Sandy found a bug. An erratum has been issued to fix that.
17:22:18 <johnarwe_> nb: the bug (and erratum) are both on the xml namespaces spec
17:23:51 <lencharest> Len: Suggest slight rewording from "it is implementation-defined which" to "it is implementation-defined which edition(s) are supported by the implementation".
17:24:26 <lencharest> Len: That's the very last clause in both references.
17:24:39 <johnarwe_> Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition), T. Bray, 
17:24:39 <johnarwe_>   J. Paoli, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, and E. Maler, Editors. World Wide 
17:24:39 <johnarwe_>   Web Consortium, 10 February 1998, revised 16 August 2006. This 
17:24:39 <johnarwe_>   edition of the XML 1.0 Recommendation 
17:24:39 <johnarwe_>   (http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816) was the one current at 
17:24:39 <johnarwe_>   the time this document went to Candidate Recommendation.  The latest 
17:24:42 <johnarwe_>   version of XML 1.0 is available at http://www.w3.org/TR/xml/. 
17:24:43 <johnarwe_>   Implementations may follow the edition cited or any later 
17:24:45 <johnarwe_>   edition(s); it is implementation-defined which. 
17:25:30 <lencharest> Ginny: What's the impact of following 5th ed?
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17:26:38 <lencharest> ... Will a 5th ed. XML processor be able to handle a model authored against 4th ed?
17:27:13 <lencharest> Henry: Yes.
17:28:26 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Wording in references will be changed per Len's suggestion.
17:29:27 <Zakim> -lencharest
17:29:29 <Zakim> -Kirk
17:29:30 <Zakim> -Ginny_Smith
17:29:30 <Zakim> -kumar
17:29:31 <Zakim> -Ht
17:29:31 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()12:30PM has ended
17:29:32 <Zakim> Attendees were lencharest, Ht, Kirk, johnarwe_, +1.425.836.aaaa, Sandy, kumar, Ginny_Smith
17:29:47 <lencharest> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:29:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-sml-minutes.html lencharest
17:30:39 <lencharest> zakim, byte
17:30:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'byte', lencharest
17:30:44 <lencharest> zakim, bye
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17:30:50 <RRSAgent> I see no action items