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15:53:03 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:53:03 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2009
15:53:38 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0020.html
15:53:45 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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15:59:57 <Phil> zakim, who's here?
15:59:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, alewis, Yves, Phil, +0196270aabb
15:59:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Phil, mphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, alewis, Roland, trackbot, Yves
16:00:16 <mphillip> zakim, aabb is mphillip
16:00:17 <Zakim> +mphillip; got it
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16:01:38 <Zakim> +Derek; got it
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16:02:53 <mphillip> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0020.html
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16:03:24 <mphillip> scribe: mphillip
16:03:27 <mphillip> Topic: Actions
16:03:31 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open 
16:04:13 <mphillip> No progress on http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/32
16:04:37 <mphillip> Derek: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/64 
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16:05:32 <mphillip> Derek: Talked about this a few calls ago, actions was to clean up Derek's recommendation 
16:06:20 <mphillip> Derek: to modify statement in 2.2.2;  Specify new assertions for topic replyToName 
16:06:42 <mphillip> Derek: and add a new assertion and new test 
16:06:54 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0006.html
16:10:15 <mphillip> mphillip: Not sure about the wording "if relevant" - maybe say "if not ignored"
16:11:02 <mphillip> Roland: Perhaps incorporate the rules into the new assertion 
16:14:17 <mphillip> Roland: I will update the spec with this wording - strengthening the assertion 
16:14:46 <mphillip> ACTION: Roland to Incorporate Derek's text into spec.
16:14:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Incorporate Derek's text into spec. [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-03-24].
16:14:55 <mphillip> close action-64
16:14:55 <trackbot> ACTION-64 Clarify spec about topic replyToName closed
16:15:11 <mphillip> close action-67
16:15:11 <trackbot> ACTION-67 Redraft words re replyTo and topicReplyTO closed
16:15:22 <mphillip> (Action 67 was a duplicate of 64)
16:15:40 <mphillip> Derek: No progress on http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/66
16:16:08 <mphillip> close action-66 
16:16:08 <trackbot> ACTION-66 Bring up the additional MEP closed
16:16:17 <mphillip> (Action 68 is a follow up to 66)
16:16:32 <mphillip> Derek: No progress on http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/68
16:16:53 <mphillip> Eric: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/69 note sent to the list with a proposal 
16:17:11 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0019.html
16:18:28 <mphillip> Eric: This is a response to Harald's comments from a month ago (the IRI draft expires in May)
16:19:55 <mphillip> Eric: First comment from Harald was that this URI uses only a local context (e.g. jndi directories inside a firewall), 
16:21:14 <mphillip> Eric: Propose an update to URI spec to clarify how a shared context of appropriate scope must be established 
16:21:52 <mphillip> (No objections to wording from attendees)
16:24:34 <mphillip> Eric: Harald's second comment questions the "variant" and whether it will clash with parameters.  Because of the limited number of likely variants we do not expect this to be a problem 
16:25:22 <Roland> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
16:25:47 <mphillip> Eric: The third comment was on the inconsistency on "jndi" vs. "jndi-" prefixes for parameters
16:26:51 <mphillip> Eric: (caused by the difference between well-known and extension parameters)
16:27:49 <mphillip> Eric: Propose a number of options in the email.  Reluctant to introduce consistency for the sake of it.  If people would like time to digest this, then Eric will postpone the response
16:28:18 <mphillip> Roland: Could send a response based on the first two items 
16:28:46 <mphillip> Eric: I will do that
16:29:44 <mphillip> Roland: The names are inconsistent anyway - in some cases we use camel casing, in other cases we use the dotted notation (com.sun.jndi.*)
16:31:23 <mphillip> Derek: When we first discussed we considered using the full term as a  prefix "jndiContextParameter-" and then condensed because it was so long
16:32:20 <mphillip> Eric: There is some merit in having shorter URIs
16:32:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
16:33:07 <Roland> Regrets: Bhakti
16:34:04 <mphillip> Eric: On Harald's last comment, I believe the specification it is better as-is
16:34:53 <mphillip> action Eric to Follow up IRI jndi issue after next week with Harald 
16:34:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Follow up IRI jndi issue after next week with Harald  [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-03-24].
16:35:34 <mphillip> close action-69
16:35:34 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Come up with revised URI scheme pass for review next week closed
16:36:50 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/pendingreview
16:37:03 <mphillip> Peter: No progress on http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/71 
16:37:30 <mphillip> Roland: Pending Review  http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/48
16:37:33 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0005.html
16:38:56 <mphillip> Roland: Don't think we need to define destination in any more detail
16:39:22 <mphillip> Eric: I believe the term destination is sufficient, especially in JMS where Destination is a well established concept 
16:39:37 <alewis> +1
16:39:37 <mphillip> mphillip: Agreed
16:40:18 <mphillip> resolution: action-48 No change is necessary to definition of destination
16:40:28 <mphillip> close action-48
16:40:28 <trackbot> ACTION-48 Look at Destination and terms in general in spec perhaps post LC closed
16:41:04 <mphillip> Phil: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/70 revised wording submitted to list 
16:41:32 <mphillip> Phil: Latest email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Mar/0016.html
16:43:00 <mphillip> Eric: Phil's updates clarify the spec. Suggest a little precision, to identify the specifications which are mentioned with formal references
16:43:38 <mphillip> Eric: ...and identify specific sections of the RFCs or specifications where possible 
16:45:14 <mphillip> Roland: So we need a new normative reference to RFC2376
16:46:42 <mphillip> Eric: Right, and reference the specific portions of the SOAP 1.1 and SOAP 1.2 specifications (like we did for the MEPs)
16:47:44 <mphillip> Phil: The suggested wording did reference particular parts of the SOAP spec.s -  will go back and identify the precise references
16:48:36 <mphillip> Eric: Technically the message is not just a byte stream any more - could be a text message
16:50:17 <mphillip> Eric: May need to keep in the sentence which identifies that If the message is formatted as "text/xml" or "application/soap+xml" then the first thing MUST be a conforming XML document
16:50:46 <mphillip> Roland: Do we have this assertion elsewhere?  If so we should just reference it
16:50:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
16:52:32 <mphillip> Eric: I will revise Phil's proposal 
16:53:21 <mphillip> Roland: No need for a new action - Eric to propose rewording Phil's action 70
16:53:25 <Zakim> -eric
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16:53:55 <mphillip> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:53:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip
16:53:55 <Zakim> -Roland
16:53:57 <Zakim> -Peter_Easton
16:53:58 <Zakim> -Derek
16:53:59 <Zakim> -Yves
16:54:12 <Zakim> -mphillip
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16:54:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, alewis, +1.617.324.aaaa, Phil, Yves, +0196270aabb, mphillip, +1.708.246.aacc, Derek, Peter_Easton, eric
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