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11:58:25 <joakim> chair: Joakim
11:58:32 <chris> zakim, who's on the phone?
11:58:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa, ??P1
11:58:47 <tobias> Zakim, ??P1 is me
11:58:47 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
11:59:18 <chris> zakim, +329331aaaa is me
11:59:18 <Zakim> +chris; got it
11:59:25 <Zakim> +??P4
11:59:35 <Zakim> + +82.10.58.00.aabb
12:00:09 <wonsuk> Zakim, ??P4 is me
12:00:09 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
12:00:33 <Zakim> +??P5
12:00:57 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aacc
12:01:12 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aadd
12:01:13 <daniel> Joakim...are you on the phone ?
12:01:20 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:01:43 <wbailer> zakim, aadd is wbailer
12:01:44 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
12:01:54 <veroniqueM> veroniqueM has joined #mediaann
12:01:55 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
12:01:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see chris, tobias, wonsuk, +82.10.58.00.aabb, Felix (muted), +46.1.07.17.aacc, wbailer, Thierry
12:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see veroniqueM, RRSAgent, Zakim, joakim, wbailer, tobias, wonsuk, fsasaki, chris, daniel, tmichel, trackbot
12:02:37 <tmichel> topic:Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
12:02:42 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html
12:02:50 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
12:03:07 <veroniqueM> zakim, [VrijeUni] is me
12:03:07 <Zakim> +veroniqueM; got it
12:03:09 <tmichel> minutes are approuved
12:03:18 <tmichel> topic: Selection of scribe for next meeting
12:03:48 <tmichel> next call still one hour in advance
12:04:07 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:04:07 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose veroniqueM
12:04:14 <tmichel> no volunteer ...
12:04:16 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:04:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose wbailer
12:04:42 <tmichel> who did not scribe for long time ?
12:05:03 <tmichel> Chris volunteer because never scribed !
12:05:18 <tmichel> Thierry is scribing today
12:05:37 <tmichel> topic: action items
12:05:43 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open 
12:05:52 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:06:30 <tmichel> ACTION 43 ?
12:06:30 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 43
12:06:45 <tmichel> I could not understanf Felix ...
12:06:56 <tmichel> ACTION 47 still pending
12:06:56 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 47
12:07:09 <fsasaki> thierry, I thought you would take AI 43 over, but maybe I misunderstood?
12:07:45 <tmichel> ACTION 54 to Veronique
12:07:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 54
12:08:18 <tmichel> It is possible to reassigne an action
12:08:49 <tmichel> ACTION 80 posted feed back
12:08:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 80
12:09:19 <tmichel> Felix: Might have more information latter
12:09:23 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54 is changed to Veronique
12:09:26 <fsasaki> s/latter/later/
12:09:31 <tmichel> close ACTION 82
12:09:43 <fsasaki> close ACTION-82
12:09:43 <trackbot> ACTION-82 Wey to provide mapping for itunes and quicktime closed
12:10:07 <tmichel> cose ACTION-85 
12:10:22 <tmichel> close ACTION-85
12:10:22 <trackbot> ACTION-85 Implement agreed changes in requirements document closed
12:10:31 <tmichel> colse ACTION-86
12:10:40 <tmichel> close ACTION-86
12:10:40 <trackbot> ACTION-86 Update Excel sheet to support description of properties closed
12:10:55 <tmichel> close ACTION-87
12:10:55 <trackbot> ACTION-87 And Werner will look into the Google Dataset API closed
12:11:42 <tmichel> close ACTION-89
12:11:42 <trackbot> ACTION-89 Provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group closed
12:12:31 <tmichel> close ACTION-90
12:12:34 <trackbot> ACTION-90 Re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses closed
12:12:44 <tmichel> close ACTION-90
12:12:44 <trackbot> ACTION-90 Re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses closed
12:12:57 <tmichel> close ACTION-91
12:12:57 <trackbot> ACTION-91 Chase the non-responders closed
12:13:30 <tmichel> ACTION-92 does someone wants to comment ?
12:13:39 <fsasaki> s/wants /want /
12:13:48 <fsasaki> felix: I will take this over
12:13:52 <tmichel> Felix will meet Larry latter today and will report latter
12:14:12 <fsasaki> s/Larry/someone from Adobe/
12:14:21 <tmichel> topic: Publish of mapping table as it on TR pages and comments from W3C team
12:14:31 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0047.html
12:15:35 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/92 is tossed to Felix
12:17:11 <tmichel> Thierry: talked to W3C comm Team about publishing the excel table (in an HTML format). Ian agreed to published as is.
12:17:42 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0062.html
12:17:58 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
12:18:08 <tmichel> Felix: repports about Raphael email sent today. Raphael agrees to publish with conditional remarks. Please read this email
12:18:19 <veroniqueM> +1 for the publication with the remarks
12:18:30 <tobias> I read Raphael's mail before - I agree to the comments. thus: +1
12:20:38 <tmichel> We will have an index with a list of formats linking to each format
12:21:36 <tmichel> Felix: Raphael would like a publication after the F2F in spain.
12:23:26 <tmichel> Felix: we could review then the table at the F2F
12:23:47 <tmichel> for each format we will have an entry with a link to an external file
12:24:06 <tmichel> Move the deadline for publication after the F2F ?
12:24:11 <fsasaki> +1
12:24:12 <wbailer> +1
12:24:16 <wonsuk> +1
12:24:17 <tobias> +1
12:24:26 <daniel> +1
12:24:28 <tmichel> objection for this schedule ?
12:24:29 <veroniqueM> +1
12:24:37 <veroniqueM> no objection :)
12:24:47 <tmichel> no objection !
12:24:52 <fsasaki> cool!
12:25:54 <tmichel> resolution: publish the first draft after the F2F
12:26:22 <tmichel> ACTION: thierry to work on the document with the proper table
12:26:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Work on the document with the proper table [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-24].
12:26:30 <joakim> Wb AP Wg http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/
12:27:10 <tmichel> media object description: how does it relates to our document ?
12:27:32 <tmichel> from the WebAPI WG
12:28:22 <tmichel> would it make sense to add thye interface to the mapping ?
12:28:26 <tobias> +1 for Wbailer; I guess it would make sense.
12:28:54 <chris> +1
12:29:27 <tmichel> Will talk about this during the F2F meeting
12:30:43 <tmichel> ACTION thierry to talk about th liaison
12:30:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Talk about th liaison [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-24].
12:30:47 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0042.html
12:30:54 <tmichel> topic:Results of questionnaire of mapping formats
12:30:54 <tmichel> Second reopen for the questionnaire:
12:31:52 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results
12:34:30 <tmichel> Thierry explain his conclusion: see his earlier email
12:34:43 <tmichel> Let me explain our one can conclude on the 3 questions:
12:34:43 <tmichel> You take the som  of the ranking of  3 questions:
12:34:43 <tmichel> the lowest som wins:
12:34:43 <tmichel> Media RSS 2+1+3= 6
12:34:43 <tmichel> EXIF    1+5+1=  7
12:34:44 <tmichel> Youtube 4+2+4=  10
12:34:46 <tmichel> TV-Anytime 5+7+3=15
12:34:48 <tmichel> ID3 frames 5+4+7=16
12:34:50 <tmichel> MPEG-7 =8+6+2=  16
12:34:54 <tmichel> EBUCore 7+3+8=  19 
12:35:16 <veroniqueM> I missed one part: do we need to pick up one format only to start working on? Why not the 5 selected?
12:36:58 <tmichel> Thierry: this is not a formal vote. just an indicator tool
12:37:32 <tmichel> Felix agrees thta this not a formal vote to consider as is
12:37:39 <veroniqueM> my question was about "Now the issues is which format do we want to retain?"
12:37:55 <veroniqueM> you want to focus first on only ONE format?
12:39:27 <tmichel> We also have to consider the people implementations
12:39:55 <tmichel> this is an important info for considering formats
12:40:36 <tobias> agree to Joakim; the industry members are important for the group - so we should take their opinion into account.
12:41:14 <tmichel> Felix: we should ask here what people think about Itunes
12:41:20 <tmichel> and QT
12:41:42 <tmichel> Felix: let's have a poll about Itunes and QT
12:42:11 <tmichel> Daniel:industry members are important for our group
12:43:01 <veroniqueM> I have no specific opinion about whether to take into account or not Itunes and QT
12:43:10 <tmichel> Very difficult to her Daniel ...
12:44:08 <tmichel> Daniel: should have some kind of guidelines for choosing a format
12:44:18 <tmichel> Daniel: any suggestions ?
12:44:36 <daniel> question: format selection is very controversial...so, we should have any guideline or criteria for the group 
12:45:13 <tmichel> Felix: we have input from the questionnaire. Also the implementation of the format is an important criteria to keep it in or not
12:46:24 <tmichel> Joakim: but the WG members are not necessary the implementors
12:47:15 <tmichel> The issue is that the QT and Itunes are not in the questionnaire. 
12:47:24 <tmichel> We should give them a chance
12:47:53 <veroniqueM> +1 to ask the group what they think about these 2 formats
12:48:36 <veroniqueM> but we can work on the other formats meanwhile...
12:48:37 <tmichel> Felix: We should send something to Dave Singer to say that we have nothing against QT and Itunes, but these were not in the mapping table when the Quetionnaire was setup
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12:48:55 <tmichel> ID3 and Itunes overlap
12:49:30 <tmichel> The ranking shows the interest of the participants toward these formats.
12:49:48 <tmichel> topic:Call for reviewers on mapping formats
12:49:49 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
12:51:16 <chris> What is the due date for this review?
12:51:38 <Zakim> +??P17
12:52:02 <hui> p17 hui
12:53:04 <tmichel> Veronique : should we start reviewing formats that will not be kept ?
12:53:18 <chris> +1 on Tobias' comment
12:53:34 <tmichel> We should review at least for the publication of the mapping table
12:53:48 <veroniqueM> yes, Tobias' comment makes sense, +1
12:54:52 <Zakim> -Felix
12:55:29 <tmichel> should review all formats for publication then focus on the formats we will keep
12:56:48 <tmichel> Due date for people to put their name: next week
12:57:08 <tmichel> Due date for people to review the format: 2weeks
12:59:24 <tmichel> topic:Reviewing the Mapping table and discussion
12:59:29 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090223_common.htm
12:59:32 <tmichel> postponed to the F2F
13:00:50 <tmichel> topic: Toy implementation
13:01:18 <tmichel> veronique sent a proposal for XMP and Dublin Core in RDF
13:01:56 <tmichel> will discuss it next week
13:02:07 <tmichel> rssagent, draft minutes
13:02:08 <tobias> bye
13:02:10 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:02:13 <Zakim> -??P17
13:02:14 <Zakim> -tobias
13:02:23 <daniel> next call is also the same timezone 
13:02:23 <Zakim> - +82.10.58.00.aabb
13:02:29 <Zakim> -veroniqueM
13:02:30 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:02:39 <Zakim> - +46.1.07.17.aacc
13:03:13 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html tmichel
13:03:25 <tmichel> rrsagent, bye
13:03:25 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-actions.rdf :
13:03:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thierry to work on the document with the proper table [1]
13:03:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-irc#T12-26-22