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17:06:01 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls2
17:06:01 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS(2)12:00PM
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17:07:10 <colinb> colinb = Colin Batchelor, Royal Society of Chemistry
17:08:44 <Zakim> +Bosse
17:09:45 <cdenney> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:09:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Christie, +0122342aaaa, +1.858.450.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +1.410.706.aacc, +2, Elgar, +41.61.324.aaee, Bosse
17:11:38 <matthias_samwald> Zakim, 2 is matthias_samwald
17:11:38 <Zakim> sorry, matthias_samwald, I do not recognize a party named '2'
17:11:49 <matthias_samwald> Zakim, +2 is matthias_samwald
17:11:49 <Zakim> +matthias_samwald; got it
17:11:57 <colinb> zakim, +01223420066  is colinb
17:11:57 <Zakim> sorry, colinb, I do not recognize a party named '+01223420066'
17:12:13 <colinb> zakim, +0122342aaaa is colinb
17:12:13 <Zakim> +colinb; got it
17:12:14 <matthias_samwald> you can find out your phone number by pressing "4 1 #"
17:12:21 <matthias_samwald> on your phone.
17:12:40 <cdenney> Zakim, pick a scribe
17:12:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Eric_Neumann
17:14:01 <Zakim> +EricP
17:17:04 <Zakim> + +1.805.313.aaff
17:17:18 <cdenney> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:17:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Christie, colinb, +1.858.450.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +1.410.706.aacc, matthias_samwald, Elgar, +41.61.324.aaee, Bosse, EricP, +1.805.313.aaff
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17:20:38 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
17:21:05 <ericP> Meeting: Pharma Ontology
17:21:14 <ericP> topic: Web site changes
17:21:36 <ericP> cdenney: main page, see project goals
17:21:57 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/PharmaOntology Pharma Ontology Homepage
17:22:25 <ericP> topic: action items
17:22:36 <ericP> ACTION: David to look at legal aspects
17:22:50 <ericP> ACTION: Lynn to look at patient role
17:23:05 <ericP> ACTION: all to review roles
17:23:05 <Zakim> + +1.302.598.aagg
17:23:21 <eneumann> q+
17:23:39 <ericP> Zakim, +1.302.598.aagg is Koji
17:23:39 <Zakim> +Koji; got it
17:23:54 <Martin> Martin = Martin Romacker (Novartis Pharma AG, Switzerland)
17:24:14 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/PharmaOntology/Roles Roles
17:25:14 <ericP> cdenney: Cheminformaticians renamed because it had overlapped with bioinformatist
17:25:22 <eneumann> thinks roles are sometimes specific around a task, and other times are around a poeple-position and therefore too general
17:25:49 <ericP> ... any missing roles?
17:26:34 <ericP> @@@1 seeks clarification on the physician role
17:27:24 <ericP> @@@1: primary care physician responsible for patient while pharma physician is a clinical scientist in charge of drug dev
17:27:40 <ericP> ... we call the latter "clinical team lead"
17:28:56 <ericP> ... patient care physicians would probably not be using this system
17:29:09 <ericP> cdenney: but we would be interacting with them
17:29:24 <ericP> @@@1: we have a "clinical affairs" role?
17:31:02 <ericP> cdenney: going to the next step will help us frame this
17:31:34 <ericP> ... note deliverables and roadmap in the middle of http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/PharmaOntology 
17:32:41 <ericP> ... expecting to create 2 or 3 sketches of use cases, covering maybe 3 roles
17:32:54 <ericP> ... these can help us frame the role identifiers
17:33:16 <ericP> ... then expect to build out one use case
17:33:35 <ericP> ... scope still limited to around 3 roles
17:34:31 <ericP> colin: application ontology rather than a referene ongoloty
17:34:55 <ericP> cdenney: yes, intend to use lightweight [spanning] ontology
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17:35:07 <eneumann> EricP, are we using zakim queues?
17:35:30 <ericP> colinb: am i free to edit wiki?
17:35:36 <ericP> cdenney: encouraged
17:35:52 <eneumann> q+
17:36:51 <ericP> ... expecting to review these roles, then a couple weeks to review the questions underneath them
17:37:36 <ericP> eneumann: i have the impression from the discussion that the roles are thorough
17:37:52 <ericP> ... but think it may be a harder task because of this architecture choice
17:38:18 <ericP> ... at pfizer, we interviewed folks looking for general questions
17:38:35 <ericP> ... then looked at the roles and stakeholders needed to answer these questions
17:39:35 <ericP> ... if you want to support the exchange between roles
17:41:20 <ericP> ericP: inclined to delay the workflow issues until after the data ontology development
17:42:20 <ericP> cdenney: has the workflow issue come up elsewhere?
17:42:29 <ericP> ... will take this to susie
17:42:53 <ericP> ... we based this approach on the parkinsonss use cases in hcls
17:43:35 <eneumann> Useful background concept: how to use ontologies to help bridge information associations where existing databases do not span...
17:43:39 <ericP> ... but it is not gospel that we have to follow this path
17:44:01 <ericP> ACTION: all to finalize roles in the use case
17:44:18 <ericP> ... we have addition of clinical team lead and potential clinical affairs
17:44:40 <ericP> @@@1: also team lead
17:45:30 <ericP> s/team lead/compound development team lead/
17:45:43 <ericP> @@@1: different from project manager who deals with tech affairs
17:45:57 <cdenney> Sandor
17:46:02 <cdenney> Szalma
17:46:06 <ericP> s/@@@1/sandor_zalma/
17:46:29 <ericP> s/sandor_zalma/sandor_szalma/
17:47:00 <ericP> sandor_szalma: bioinformatician role disappeared?
17:47:16 <ericP> cdenney: yes. feedback was that their questions were already covered by other roles
17:47:52 <ericP> ... could keep role and use notation to indicate redundant questions
17:48:15 <Zakim> - +41.61.324.aaee
17:48:54 <Martin> I apologize, I have to leave (it's 7 pm in Basle).
17:49:49 <ericP> cdenney: do we want to meet weekly? ('cause we have questions between the meetings)
17:53:17 <eneumann> I can attend for part of it
17:55:14 <ericP> ericP: interested parties can subscribe to changes to pages.
17:55:14 <ericP> RESOLVED: use wiki change subscriptions, encouraging editors to include descriptive comments
17:55:36 <ericP> topic: HCLS f2f
17:56:02 <ericP> expected attendee(s): elgar
17:56:06 <ericP> Zakim, please draft minutes
17:56:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please draft minutes', ericP
17:56:14 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:56:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/05-hcls2-minutes.html ericP
17:56:16 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
17:56:21 <Zakim> -Koji
17:56:22 <Zakim> - +1.858.450.aabb
17:56:22 <Zakim> - +1.805.313.aaff
17:56:23 <Zakim> -Christie
17:56:23 <Zakim> - +1.410.706.aacc
17:56:23 <Zakim> -Elgar
17:56:24 <Zakim> -Bosse
17:56:24 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visitble
17:56:26 <banderss> Bye
17:56:26 <Zakim> -colinb
17:56:26 <colinb> bye
17:56:32 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world
17:56:33 <matthias_samwald> bye!
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17:56:35 <Zakim> -EricP
17:56:47 <sszalma> by
17:56:48 <Zakim> -matthias_samwald
17:56:49 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(2)12:00PM has ended
17:56:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Christie, +1.858.450.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +1.410.706.aacc, Elgar, +41.61.324.aaee, Bosse, matthias_samwald, colinb, EricP, +1.805.313.aaff, Koji
17:57:02 <cdenney> suggestion from Lynn: communicate changes via group e-mails
17:57:14 <cdenney> can also subscribe to wiki updates
17:57:26 <cdenney> please put comments when changing wiki
18:01:43 <cdenney> Attendees: Boose Andersson, Elgar Pichler, Matthias Samwald, Lynn Schriml, Kohi Sonoda, Sandor Szalma, Eric N, Eric P, Colin Batchelor, Christi Denney, Martin. I also had Banderss?
18:03:47 <cdenney> Mibbit setup notes: Server link = irc.w3.org:6665; pick a nick name; Channels = #HCLS2
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18:16:07 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:16:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/05-hcls2-minutes.html ericP
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