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20:57:03 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
20:57:07 <MichaelC> meeting: WCAG
20:57:56 <MichaelC> agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/824e742c0901161416m2fb45561h9c634c936a65216c@mail.gmail.com
20:58:14 <MichaelC> agenda+ Life after Rec
20:58:22 <MichaelC> agenda+ Post-Rec Charter
20:58:34 <MichaelC> agenda+ Proposal for handling WCAG 2 questions and issues
20:58:49 <MichaelC> agenda+ Meeting Schedule
20:59:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
20:59:38 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
20:59:42 <MichaelC> zakim, call cooper-mit
20:59:43 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
20:59:44 <Zakim> +Cooper
21:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.410.757.aaaa
21:01:18 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.410 is Drew_LaHart
21:01:18 <Zakim> +Drew_LaHart; got it
21:01:38 <MichaelC> regrets: Roberto_Scano
21:02:05 <Zakim> +??P7
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21:02:21 <mbertoni> zakim, ??P7 is mbertoni
21:02:21 <Zakim> +mbertoni; got it
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21:03:46 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:03:51 <Zakim> + +1.415.373.aabb
21:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.415 is Sofia_Celic
21:04:11 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic; got it
21:04:15 <mbertoni> zakim, mute me
21:04:15 <Zakim> mbertoni should now be muted
21:04:38 <Zakim> +??P8
21:04:54 <Ben_> zakim, ??P8 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:04:54 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
21:04:59 <Ben_> zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
21:05:00 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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21:05:23 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:05:55 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:06:33 <Zakim> + +1.301.668.aacc
21:07:02 <MichaelC> agenda?
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21:07:11 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.301 is Bruce_Bailey
21:07:11 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey; got it
21:08:04 <Tim> Topic: life after Rec
21:08:08 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 1
21:08:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Process for responding for questions directed at editors" taken up [from MichaelC]
21:08:10 <MichaelC> scirbe: Tim
21:08:16 <MichaelC> scribe: Tim
21:08:27 <Zakim> +??P11
21:08:38 <bengt> zakim, ??P11 is Bengt_Farre
21:08:38 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
21:10:52 <Tim> need to renew charter 
21:11:01 <Tim> maintaining understanding doc
21:11:21 <MichaelC> Post Rec Tasks: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Post_Recommendation_Tasks
21:12:27 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:13:20 <MichaelC> q+
21:13:34 <Tim> ack MichaelC
21:14:53 <Tim> work in TSDTF within WCAG scope
21:15:14 <MichaelC> ack me
21:16:44 <Tim> collaborate with ERTWG via the TSDTF in their efforts to create a test suite for evaluation tools 
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21:20:19 <Tim> updated Post Rec Tasks in wiki -> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Post_Recommendation_Tasks 
21:21:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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21:22:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:22:41 <rellero_> zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
21:22:41 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:23:51 <Tim> extent of collaboration with other organizations on future work (re: WCAG outreach) 
21:24:28 <Tim> work with PFWG on ARIA techniques
21:25:19 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
21:25:38 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:26:08 <Zakim> +??P1
21:26:31 <rellero_> zakim, ?PP1 is Roberto_Ellero
21:26:31 <Zakim> sorry, rellero_, I do not recognize a party named '?PP1'
21:26:41 <rellero_> 04 01zakim, ?P1 is Roberto_Ellero
21:26:57 <Tim> promoting WCAG2.0 is important
21:27:21 <rellero_> 04 01zakim, ?P1 is Roberto_Ellero
21:27:46 <Tim> ack Cynthia
21:27:49 <Loretta> ack c
21:28:14 <Drew> q+
21:28:30 <Tim> application notes and adding more techniques (including scripting)
21:28:32 <Loretta> ack d
21:28:38 <rellero_> 04 01zakim, ??P1 is Roberto_Ellero
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21:29:45 <Zakim> +??P3
21:29:56 <rscano> zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
21:29:57 <Zakim> sorry, rscano, I do not see a party named 'Roberto_Scano'
21:30:04 <rscano> zakim, ??P3 is Roberto_Scano
21:30:04 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
21:30:09 <rscano> zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
21:30:09 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
21:30:22 <rellero_> 04 01zakim, ??P1 is Roberto_Ellero
21:30:26 <Tim> checklists to measure WCAG2.0 understanding 
21:30:53 <rellero_> 04 01zakim, ?PP1 is Roberto Ellero
21:31:08 <rscano> zakim, ??P1 is Roberto_Ellero
21:31:08 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:31:08 <Tim> make it easier to submit techniques/ideas
21:33:52 <Tim> outreach efforts needed (for example to governments) 
21:34:30 <Zakim> +??P16
21:36:35 <Tim> tools for outreach needed (public relations, workshops, media, etc.)
21:36:53 <rscano> agree
21:37:18 <Tim> may involve collaboration with EO
21:38:08 <Tim> WCAG2.0 being examined in conjunction with 508 refresh
21:38:56 <rscano> we will also start a review of italian law (hope in february) for conform to WCAG 2.0
21:39:08 <MichaelC> q+ to ask if we need "train the trainer" resources, even workshops
21:39:18 <Tim> ack MichaelC
21:39:18 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask if we need "train the trainer" resources, even workshops
21:39:36 <Loretta> ack m
21:40:17 <Ben_> zakim, who is making noise?
21:40:28 <Zakim> Ben_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mbertoni (4%)
21:40:44 <Loretta> mute mbertoni
21:40:47 <David_MacDonald> zakim, who is making noice
21:40:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noice', David_MacDonald
21:40:47 <mbertoni> zakim, mute me
21:40:48 <Zakim> mbertoni should now be muted
21:41:04 <Tim> people have written books after specs in other WGs
21:42:15 <David_MacDonald> zakim, who's making noise?
21:42:26 <Zakim> David_MacDonald, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
21:42:26 <Tim> focus on techniques/testing tools in this group
21:44:03 <Tim> online seminar to promote understanding in addition?
21:44:54 <rscano> zakim, unmute me
21:44:54 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should no longer be muted
21:45:53 <mbertoni> agree
21:46:16 <Tim> promote understanding of guidelines/techniques
21:46:47 <Loretta> zakim, who is on the phone
21:46:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Loretta
21:48:51 <Tim> have list of things we can do (prioritize list?)
21:48:54 <MichaelC> q+ to ask if we want to resurrect the break-out teams to do tasks, and have plenary meetings less, as maybe we don't need to make consensus decisions as much
21:49:20 <Tim> ack MichaelC
21:49:20 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask if we want to resurrect the break-out teams to do tasks, and have plenary meetings less, as maybe we don't need to make consensus decisions as much
21:52:06 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
21:52:42 <Tim> tasks related to items on list 
21:54:47 <Tim> have TSDTF come to WCAG and report 
21:56:23 <Tim> make survey of different tasks and ask for participation
21:56:35 <Tim> ..also time commitment/resources
21:57:43 <Tim> third-party techniques important
21:58:22 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:58:50 <Tim> ack David
21:59:47 <rscano> and create a VPAT-like for the other technologies?
21:59:48 <Tim> how to open WCAG to other technologies
22:00:37 <Tim> with approval of W3C?
22:02:21 <Tim> should recruit more potential WG members to work on tasks in future
22:02:37 <Tim> Topic: handling WCAG2 questions and issues
22:03:00 <Tim> process needed for handling questions/issues
22:03:31 <Tim> editorial items send to MC
22:04:02 <Tim> other questions should be answered and documented
22:05:15 <Tim> additional items may relate to understanding doc - filed as issues?
22:07:00 <Tim> may involve overhead but keeping WG connected 
22:08:31 <Tim> other category is technical support  
22:08:53 <Tim> point to forums in these cases
22:12:07 <Tim> ..preferably neutral forums
22:12:16 <rscano> a ning :-)
22:15:03 <Tim> ack Bruce
22:15:13 <Zakim> -Drew_LaHart
22:15:35 <Tim> use gl list
22:16:35 <Tim> gl list needs to focus on wg activities
22:19:38 <Tim> quality of support may be issue on external lists
22:21:57 <Tim> frequency of meetings - how often?
22:22:09 <Tim> depends on results of survey
22:23:44 <Tim> need mechanism for keeping energy going into work to do (also need deadlines for motivation)
22:24:36 <Tim> next meeting Feb 5
22:24:57 <rscano> my birthday :D
22:25:12 <Tim> ACTION: MC to create draft WCAG charter for review
22:25:37 <Tim> ACTION: Loretta to create survey of activity areas 
22:26:10 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
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22:26:16 <mbertoni> bye
22:26:19 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:26:24 <rscano> bye :)
22:26:31 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:26:39 <Zakim> -mbertoni
22:27:16 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
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22:28:13 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
22:30:23 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:30:24 <Zakim> -Cooper
22:30:24 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:30:25 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:30:26 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
22:30:27 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
22:30:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
22:30:28 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, Cooper, +1.410.757.aaaa, Drew_LaHart, mbertoni, Alex_Li, +1.415.373.aabb, Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland,
22:30:31 <Zakim> ... +1.301.668.aacc, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, Cynthia_Shelly, Roberto_Ellero, Roberto_Scano
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