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19:56:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
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20:20:57 <Bob> zakim, this will be #WS_WSRA
20:20:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Bob
20:21:29 <Bob> zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
20:21:29 <Zakim> ok, Bob; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
20:21:57 <Bob> meeting: WS-RA TC Distributed Meeting
20:22:09 <Yves> s/TC/WG/
20:22:57 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0045.html
20:23:08 <Bob> chair: Bob Freund
20:23:21 <Bob> rrsagent, make logs public
20:23:40 <GregC> I guess GregC is first on the scribe list
20:24:12 <GregC> and willing?
20:24:47 <GregC> Tag, I'm it.
20:24:59 <Bob> scribe: Greg Carpenter
20:24:59 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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20:25:08 <Zakim> Attendees were 
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20:25:36 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:25:58 <GregC> I'm am trying to get to the FAQ., but experiencing some delays ...
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20:26:35 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aaaa
20:26:41 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
20:27:20 <Zakim> +Doug_Davis
20:27:49 <dug> how do I get the link to the minutes/rssagent?
20:28:08 <dug> thanks
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20:28:32 <dug> Geoff "holds" Asir??
20:28:50 <dug> too much info  :-)
20:28:52 <Geoff> zakim, geoff holds asir, greg
20:28:52 <Zakim> sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'geoff'
20:29:11 <Geoff> zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
20:29:11 <Zakim> sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'Geoff'
20:29:25 <Geoff> zakim, [mic is Geoff
20:29:25 <Zakim> +Geoff; got it
20:29:28 <Geoff> zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
20:29:28 <Zakim> +asir, GregC; got it
20:29:31 <Zakim> +??P8
20:29:46 <Zakim> +Wu_Chou
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20:30:56 <Zakim> +Yves
20:31:12 <Bob> zakim, who is on the phone
20:31:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Bob
20:31:16 <Bob> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:31:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Geoff, +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, ??P8, Wu_Chou, Yves
20:31:19 <Zakim> Geoff has asir, GregC
20:31:24 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
20:31:25 <Zakim> + +1.703.266.aabb
20:32:03 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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20:32:57 <gpilz> finally found an IRC client that can work with Oracle's proxy
20:33:43 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
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20:34:35 <Bob> zakim, [OR is gpilz
20:34:35 <Zakim> +gpilz; got it
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20:36:03 <Vikas> This is Vikas
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20:37:20 <dug> LOL we need webconf :-)
20:37:22 <GregC> The agenda is available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0045.html
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20:38:48 <GregC> The quick brown fox jumped over teh lazy dog
20:39:03 <Yves> s/teh/the/ 
20:39:05 <GregC> s/teh/the
20:39:08 <dug> I believe Greg was suckered into that one!
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20:39:52 <GregC> TOPIC: Agenda
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20:40:34 <GregC> add "unilateral wihtdrawal of issues" to the agenda
20:41:11 <GregC> Topic: minutes
20:41:55 <GregC> People need more time to read and approve minutes from f2f
20:42:13 <GregC> TOPIC: Next week's meeting
20:42:26 <GregC> bob: I wont be able chair
20:42:41 <GregC> bob: should we cancel or have Yves chair?
20:43:29 <GregC> Meeting will be held as planned, Yves will chair
20:43:40 <GregC> TOPIC: creation of frist working drafts
20:43:52 <GregC> s/frist/first
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20:44:28 <GregC> bob:  Editors should use CVS to avoid "lost updates" from multiple editors
20:45:06 <GregC> Editors need to get Public Keys if they don't already have one
20:45:39 <GregC> bob: first drafts in W3C format with no changes
20:46:12 <GregC> bob: who will produce which first working drafts and when
20:46:28 <asir> q+
20:46:31 <GregC> dug: are there conversion tools and shoudl we use them?
20:46:44 <GregC> s/shoudl/should
20:47:28 <GregC> asir: conversion tools are avialable but still require significant manual effort
20:47:32 <Bob> ack yves
20:47:52 <dug> yves which doc were you thinking of?
20:48:19 <GregC> Yves: Perhaps some subnissions are already up to spec and will be easier?
20:49:12 <asir> q+
20:50:08 <GregC> bob:  In two weeks time, all submitted specs will be converted and available in xml spec format
20:50:18 <Bob> ack asir
20:50:31 <GregC> bob: specs may come out independently during that time
20:50:34 <Zakim> +JeffM
20:51:08 <GregC> bob: people will be given adequate time to review 
20:51:57 <GregC> ACTION: editors will have first Public Working drafts available on or before Feb 3
20:52:28 <asir> Yves - you probably want to think about a Tracker user named 'editors'
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20:53:12 <GregC> TOPIC: Primer - WHat, who, how, when
20:53:31 <dug> zakim, mute JeffM
20:53:31 <Zakim> JeffM should now be muted
20:53:52 <Yves> tracker not assiciated to irc yet, but we can the web interface for now
20:54:04 <GregC> bob: some WGs find a primer to be a useful aid to understanding the specs
20:54:08 <Yves> s/assiciated/associated/
20:54:28 <GregC> bob: Shall the WS-RA WG produce a primer?
20:55:08 <GregC> ??: One Primer per spec, or just one Primer?
20:55:16 <dug> While I think, in general, primers are good, until we have an area of confusion I'd prefer to wait
20:55:40 <GregC> bob: Is there anyone on this call who is willing to write a Primer?
20:55:58 <GregC> gpilz: maybe
20:56:08 <dug> my first choice would be to have areas of confusion be fixed in the spec
20:56:40 <GregC> q+
20:56:52 <Bob> ack greg
20:57:19 <gpilz> q+
20:57:29 <Bob> ack gp
20:58:50 <GregC> GregC: Primers are for wordy explanations that might not be appropriate for a spec
20:59:24 <GregC> gpilz: tend to agree -- good place for use cases, etc
20:59:32 <GregC> TOPIC: new issues
20:59:46 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6442
21:00:10 <GregC> Issue 6442
21:01:22 <GregC> bob: any opposition to accepting issue 6442?
21:01:31 <Zakim> -JeffM
21:01:37 <GregC> bob: Accepted without opposition
21:02:03 <Geoff> q+
21:02:11 <GregC> bob: Issue assigned to gpilz
21:02:33 <Bob> ack geof
21:03:01 <GregC> bob: I assume the open question in the initial issue will be addressed with a more specific proposal
21:03:46 <GregC> Geoff:  Note that this is another example of the larger upgrade to support WS-Addressing REC
21:04:19 <GregC> Geoof: do we have lots of individual  issues (which is OK, just asking)
21:05:02 <Prasad2> +1 to having separate issues, helps focus the issue to specific area or matter
21:05:32 <dug> bob - there's 6459
21:05:38 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6459
21:05:50 <GregC> gpilz: bob: granularity is up to the issue submitter
21:06:05 <GregC>  s/gpilz://
21:06:50 <GregC> new issue 6459
21:06:52 <gpilz> good catch!
21:06:55 <Prasad2> s/Geoof/Geoff/g
21:07:46 <GregC> bob: issue 6459 accepted without opposition and assigned to Li
21:08:15 <GregC> TOPIC: Issues with proposals:
21:08:42 <dug> this is the _easy_ one you mentioned at the f2f :-)
21:09:35 <Bob> scribe: Bob
21:10:08 <Prasad2> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6433 
21:10:24 <Bob> ITopic: Issue-6433
21:10:37 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
21:10:39 <Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0041.html
21:10:43 <dug> backbones?
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21:11:17 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
21:12:17 <Geoff> q+ Really Greg wants to talk
21:12:23 <gregcarp> Can you see me now?
21:12:25 <Geoff> q+
21:13:39 <Bob> ack geoff
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21:15:58 <dug> q+
21:17:36 <Bob> ack dug
21:18:36 <gpilz> +1 to Doug
21:19:14 <Geoff> q+
21:19:21 <Bob> ack geo
21:19:51 <dug> q+
21:19:54 <gpilz> +q
21:20:03 <dug> LOL
21:21:28 <Prasad2> So, the WS-A:EPR definition has no extensibility built in?
21:21:35 <Bob> ack dug
21:21:44 <gpilz> EPR's have extensibility in them
21:23:09 <Bob> Bob: The extensibility facet of this issue was decided at the f2f to be separate from the decision of which version of epr to reference
21:23:10 <Geoff> q+
21:23:16 <Bob> ack gp
21:24:00 <Bob> ack geo
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21:24:59 <gpilz> +q
21:25:08 <Bob> ack gp
21:26:56 <Bob> resolution: Resolve Issue-6433 with the proposal contained in Bugzilla Comment #1 w/o
21:27:43 <dug> latest 6398: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0043.html
21:27:50 <Bob> Topic: Issue-6398
21:28:27 <Prasad2> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6398
21:30:07 <Geoff> q+
21:30:21 <Bob> ack geoff
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21:32:00 <dug> no objection to more digestion/composting  :-)
21:32:30 <asir> what was that :-)
21:32:44 <Bob> send to the list and defer consideration for a future meeting
21:33:41 <Bob> Topic: Issue-6426
21:34:30 <dug> since this was pretty much covered at the f2f I wouldn't object to accepting it now - but no objection to composting either  :-)
21:34:34 <Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0047.html
21:34:49 <Bob> Li introduces his proposal
21:35:11 <gpilz> I wouldn't object to accepting it either - good work
21:35:32 <dug> q+
21:35:38 <Bob> ack dug
21:35:39 <Geoff> q+
21:37:04 <Bob> ack geoff
21:39:49 <Bob> Topic: Issue-6427
21:40:00 <Bob> Li introduces his prosal
21:40:11 <Geoff> q+
21:40:49 <gpilz> again this looks acceptable
21:41:01 <Bob> ack geo
21:44:11 <Bob> Topic: Issues 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416 
21:44:18 <Geoff> q+
21:44:25 <Bob> ack geoff
21:45:22 <Geoff> q+
21:45:31 <Bob> Originator wishes to withdraw these issues
21:45:40 <Bob> ack geo
21:46:33 <Geoff> q+
21:46:47 <Bob> ack geoff
21:48:30 <Bob> resolution: Gudge 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416 w/o
21:49:00 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
21:49:02 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
21:49:06 <Zakim> -gpilz
21:49:07 <Zakim> -Geoff
21:49:07 <Zakim> -Wu_Chou
21:49:09 <Zakim> -Yves
21:49:09 <Zakim> -Doug_Davis
21:49:10 <Zakim> - +1.571.262.aaaa
21:49:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
21:49:12 <Zakim> - +1.703.266.aabb
21:49:14 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
21:49:16 <Zakim> -??P8
21:49:16 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
21:49:19 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, asir, GregC, Wu_Chou, Yves, [Oracle], +1.703.266.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Prasad_Yendluri, gpilz, JeffM
21:49:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
21:50:03 <Bob> thanks
21:50:16 <Bob> rrsagent, pointer
21:50:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-irc#T21-50-16
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