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15:58:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SVGIG
15:58:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM already started
15:58:58 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
15:58:58 <trackbot> Date: 08 January 2009
15:59:41 <Zakim> + +1.149.1.aabb
15:59:44 <Zakim> + +1.312.540.aacc
16:01:35 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
16:01:35 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
16:01:36 <Zakim> +Shepazu
16:01:47 <Zakim> +??P56
16:02:06 <Zakim> + +49.918.126.5.aadd
16:02:30 <Manuel> zakim, +49 is me
16:02:30 <Zakim> +Manuel; got it
16:02:52 <shepazu> Zakim, 1.149.1.aabb is rob
16:02:52 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '1.149.1.aabb'
16:03:15 <JeffSchiller> JeffSchiller, aacc is me
16:03:25 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aacc is me
16:03:25 <Zakim> +JeffSchiller; got it
16:03:30 <JeffSchiller> zakim, +aacc is me
16:03:30 <Zakim> sorry, JeffSchiller, I do not recognize a party named '+aacc'
16:03:53 <stelt> stelt is listening over phone
16:04:07 <shepazu> Zakim, who is here?
16:04:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.713.851.aaaa, +1.149.1.aabb, JeffSchiller, Shepazu, ??P56, Manuel
16:04:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, JeffSchiller, Manuel, Zakim, gwadej, darobin, stelt, shepazu, trackbot
16:04:29 <shepazu> Zakim, ??P56 is stelt 
16:04:29 <Zakim> +stelt; got it
16:04:31 <Rob_Russell> Rob_Russell has joined #svgig
16:04:54 <shepazu> zakim, 1.149 is Rob_Russell 
16:05:01 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '1.149'
16:05:16 <shepazu> zakim, aaaa is Rob_Russell
16:05:16 <Zakim> +Rob_Russell; got it
16:05:17 <gwadej> zakim, +aaaa is me
16:05:21 <Zakim> sorry, gwadej, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
16:05:56 <shepazu> zakim, aabb is Rob_Russell 
16:05:56 <Zakim> +Rob_Russell; got it
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16:07:31 <shepazu> scribeNick: gwadej 
16:09:15 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: SVG Open issues
16:09:24 <Donald_Doherty> Jeff, I'm on IRC on both HCLS and SVGIG. I'll be just looking in from time to time.
16:09:37 <JeffSchiller> Donald_Doherty: np, thanks
16:10:03 <gwadej> shepazu: Google and Yahoo talking about sponsoring
16:10:11 <JeffSchiller> s/Yahoo/Mozilla
16:10:18 <gwadej> ... Google may provide venue
16:11:12 <gwadej> ... not sure about local contacts and what they would need to do.
16:12:07 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: if Brad Newberg is working on it we might be able to get some help from him
16:12:30 <gwadej> shepazu: We need to decide what needs to be done locally
16:13:01 <gwadej> ... since much would be done by phone, could be done non-locally as well.
16:13:42 <gwadej> Stelt: Google has geek meetings all the time, so good venuje
16:13:53 <gwadej> s/venuje/venue
16:14:02 <rlongson> rlongson has joined #svgig
16:14:11 <gwadej> ... Google would have wifi and such handled
16:14:29 <gwadej> shepazu: we could trust a lot if Google did it
16:14:43 <gwadej> ... maybe a few days before.
16:15:02 <gwadej> ... might be better on the weekends, maybe better turnout
16:15:12 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: Depends on the audience
16:16:22 <Zakim> +??P16
16:16:29 <gwadej> shepazu: during the week everyone works or whatever. Weekends more likely to be free.
16:16:48 <gwadej> gwadej: weekends for family
16:17:10 <gwadej> shepazu: technical presentations on the weekday
16:17:11 <shepazu> Zakim, ??P16 is rlongson 
16:17:11 <Zakim> +rlongson; got it
16:17:40 <gwadej> ... maybe overlap end of week over weekend
16:18:08 <JeffSchiller> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/11/12/Bad-Ruby
16:18:22 <gwadej> shepazu: Maybe Google provide better venue on weekend?
16:19:14 <gwadej> ... don't know about Pittsburg as a location. Been then nice.
16:19:19 <gwadej> s/then/there
16:19:33 <gwadej> ... maybe Boston, or Bay area.
16:19:58 <gwadej> ... not enough information for deciding location
16:21:14 <gwadej> ... stelt has most planning expeience
16:21:38 <gwadej> ... call for papers even without venue decision
16:22:19 <gwadej> ... abstract even without knowing and might be willing to decide if chosen.
16:23:11 <gwadej> stelt: If someone from Mozilla is willing to help, we might be able to get more info
16:23:38 <gwadej> shepazu: Rob has contact with Mozilla
16:24:07 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: Direct questions to Jonathan to push for Mozilla help.
16:24:38 <gwadej> shepazu: good chance to get Mozilla to sponsor
16:24:52 <gwadej> ... Robert O'Callahan?
16:25:08 <gwadej> ... others at Mozilla might be able to come
16:25:46 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Maybe invite someone like Sam Ruby to give a keynote
16:25:56 <gwadej> shepazu: Might bring in more from IBM
16:26:10 <gwadej> ... Shelley Powers?
16:26:42 <gwadej> ... present, not necessarily a keynote, but present and promote book.
16:26:45 <stelt> Cant we finalize (make sure) on Google venue and then let Andreas do the call?
16:27:54 <gwadej> stelt: seemed like it was close to certain, maybe we can push a little with Andreas to get it completed
16:28:15 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: still no information on dates
16:28:42 <gwadej> shepazu: D. Dailey had commented about before school had started
16:28:48 <stelt> dates should be good for USA folks
16:28:55 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Not during the first week of classes
16:29:11 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: try to finalize the dates on the mailing list
16:29:37 <gwadej> shepazu: if at Google, I would count on twice the attendance 
16:29:50 <gwadej> ... how long since easy one for Americans to attend
16:29:57 <stelt> 6yrs
16:30:47 <JeffSchiller> http://www.amazon.com/Socialism-Great-Workers-Memoir-China/dp/0977743373
16:31:34 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Move on to Website
16:31:37 <stelt> svg.org is back, but for how long?
16:31:43 <gwadej> ... still work that needs to be done. 
16:32:04 <gwadej> .... svg.org was not reachable a few days ago, but appears to be back.
16:32:26 <gwadej> shepazu: maintainer is currently in China, fixed some configuration problems.
16:32:59 <gwadej> ... interested in new site and help with hosting new site. Would be willing to provide a data dump
16:33:40 <gwadej> ... still can't get input from owner of svg.org domain
16:34:06 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Let's proceed with planetsvg and ignore svg.org
16:34:21 <gwadej> shepazu: SVG Tiny 1.2 is a recommendation!!!
16:34:36 <stelt> congrats shepazu 
16:34:50 <gwadej> ... WG happy that it is done and apologetic that it took so long.
16:35:19 <gwadej> ... doing errata for 1.1, cleanup, tests, one errata for 1.2, looking toward next version of language.
16:35:59 <gwadej> ... news item on planetsvg, not on svg.org
16:36:32 <gwadej> ... putting a lot of pressure on Rob. How can we help?
16:36:47 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: The theming went well,
16:36:59 <gwadej> ... guides need to be written, etc.
16:37:35 <gwadej> ... the bits that need to be done, like feeds, etc. working on.
16:37:58 <gwadej> ... imporvement to moderation view will make it easier for moderators.
16:38:17 <gwadej> ... SVG upload for the gallery is a big piece
16:38:33 <gwadej> ... anyone willing to help with the server-side stuff
16:38:53 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Will check his access to make certain it worked
16:39:12 <gwadej> ... what is part of the theme from Manuel
16:39:29 <stelt> Rob, saw BSVG/B bug in moderation view?
16:39:37 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: theme as a zip sent, fixed, and returned
16:39:56 <gwadej> Manuel: working on the changes
16:40:43 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: it is in a SVN repository, so maybe easier access for Manuel
16:40:59 <gwadej> ... workflow for the multiple servers
16:41:19 <gwadej> ... update repository, then have servers svn up for the changes.
16:41:32 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: try out the css changes this way
16:41:42 <shepazu> stelt, that sounds great... we need more content on the wiki
16:41:58 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: Making changes rapidly is not the problem yet, so he can be in the middle.
16:42:11 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: outgoing feeds problems?
16:42:40 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: have not tracked down where all of the outgoing feeds already work, much may be
16:42:52 <gwadej> ... there without any more work,
16:43:11 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Check if its there and then do the css changes.
16:43:25 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: Put in a link for the feeds we find.
16:43:51 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Email subscriptions for forums and such after the themes and such.
16:44:09 <stelt> svglogo.com gone, where do people get the official logo now?
16:44:40 <shepazu> http://www.planetsvg.com/content/wiki-module is really dark, hard to read
16:44:47 <gwadej> shepazu: after the aqua buttons, tutorial on reusable content
16:45:10 <gwadej> Manuel: SVG -based websites and such
16:45:48 <shepazu> stelt: svglogo.com was never intended to provide the logo... it will be available from W3C soon
16:45:49 <gwadej> ... wireframing websites with SVG, realize in HTML, in about a month..
16:46:12 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Checklist from stelt for the website?
16:46:39 <gwadej> shepazu: solicit content from developers list
16:47:21 <gwadej> ... two French guys, one who had his own site and a book, another with a widgets framework.
16:47:31 <Manuel> i found the logo on the site of the designer who created it...
16:47:32 <gwadej> ... maybe a forum on making widgets.
16:47:33 <Manuel> http://www.root2art.co.uk/svg_logo_download/index.php
16:47:46 <gwadej> ... Niko (he's Italian)
16:47:58 <gwadej> ... very good framework.
16:48:30 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Ferd (sp?) used to do some games, now has a blog.
16:48:51 <JeffSchiller> s/Ferd/Fyrd => http://a.deveria.com/
16:48:51 <stelt> i found my SVG site checklist: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0066.html
16:48:53 <gwadej> shepazu: Firefox widget set
16:49:13 <gwadej> ... works in browsers, not just Firefox
16:49:37 <JeffSchiller> stelt: I was talking about content for the website that you might be willing to write, I think you mentioned a checklist or something
16:49:44 <gwadej> ... Kevin Lindsey, I wonder if he would do a tutorial?
16:50:24 <gwadej> ... maybe not need to worry about the content. We need to have something to point to from the W3C site.
16:50:50 <stelt> wants to move his svg.startpagina.nl links
16:51:04 <gwadej> Rob_Russell: Once we're using the new theme as default, then put this on W3C.
16:51:50 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: let's fix the theme and then, if no show-stoppers let's put it out, (then we can teak forever._
16:52:28 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: Little space at top was for links, but we don't use it for now.
16:52:50 <gwadej> JeffSchiller: identify low-handing fruit in browser bugs.
16:53:29 <gwadej> shepazu: run across a few browser bugs in Firefox, because it's the one he uses the most.
16:53:53 <gwadej> ... putting some priority on SVG fonts, not in 3.1 but soon.
16:54:01 <gwadej> ... SMIl is a big one.
16:54:21 <gwadej> ... little stuff, like the title not giving a tooltip.
16:54:39 <gwadej> ... workaround like misuseing XLink title.
16:55:33 <gwadej> ... part of engine core, so it's stuck in review
16:55:51 <gwadej> rlongson: can't review it, and people who can aren't doing it yet.
16:56:28 <Zakim> -Rob_Russell
16:57:07 <JeffSchiller> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Accessibility_Activity#Implementation_Status_.28Current_Behavior.2C_Bugs.29
16:57:28 <stelt> if we write about low hanging fruit bugs, make sure to add links to bug tracking systems
16:57:37 <Rob_Russell> zakim, 1.149 is Rob_Russell
16:57:37 <Zakim> sorry, Rob_Russell, I do not recognize a party named '1.149'
16:59:37 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aabb is Rob_Russell
16:59:37 <Zakim> sorry, JeffSchiller, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:59:56 <Zakim> -JeffSchiller
16:59:59 <Zakim> -Rob_Russell.a
17:00:02 <Zakim> -Manuel
17:00:04 <Zakim> -stelt
17:00:22 <Zakim> -Shepazu
17:01:02 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
17:01:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:01:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.713.851.aaaa, +1.149.1.aabb, +1.312.540.aacc, Shepazu, +49.918.126.5.aadd, Manuel, JeffSchiller, stelt, Rob_Russell, rlongson
17:01:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-svgig-minutes.html trackbot
17:01:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
17:01:06 <Zakim> -rlongson
17:01:06 <Zakim> GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has ended