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15:58:37 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
15:58:37 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:47 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
15:58:56 <shadi> chair: Shadi
15:59:14 <shadi> agemda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Dec/0017.html
15:59:27 <shadi> agenda+ Finalized after pages
15:59:38 <shadi> agenda+ Updated in-between pages
15:59:47 <shadi> agenda+ WAI-AGE findings
15:59:57 <shadi> agenda+ New Demo navigation
16:00:11 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
16:00:14 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG 2.0 evaluations
16:00:18 <Zakim> +JanSjoerd
16:00:24 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
16:00:31 <shadi> regrets: Maik
16:00:40 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
16:00:40 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
16:00:41 <Zakim> -JanSjoerd
16:00:41 <Zakim> +JanSjoerd
16:00:42 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:00:45 <Michael> Michael has joined #badtf
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16:01:25 <Zakim> +Eric
16:02:01 <Zakim> +Tom
16:02:33 <Zakim> +michael
16:03:16 <Michael> i hear you
16:03:33 <Michael> i have to check my hardware, new pc 
16:03:41 <eric> fail
16:03:55 <Michael> no, the taxes
16:04:32 <Michael> i try to enable my mike
16:04:50 <Michael> who is the scribe? me?
16:06:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/changelog#review
16:06:49 <Michael> Scribe: michael
16:07:19 <Michael> JanSjoerd: shall we include multimedia?
16:07:40 <Michael> shadi: would be a good idea, is on the wishlist
16:08:52 <Michael> shadi: there are different option to include multimedia, SMIL is just one option
16:09:11 <eric> q+
16:09:27 <shadi> ack e
16:10:05 <Michael> eric: lets finish the core done first, then start with the additional features
16:10:51 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:10:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Finalized after pages" taken up [from shadi]
16:11:09 <shadi> http://ericeggert.net/whosbad/home.html
16:12:50 <JanSjoerd> q+
16:13:15 <shadi> ack j
16:13:44 <Michael> JanSjoerd: minor comments on the after pages, discuss comments on the list
16:13:54 <Michael> shadi: comments did not get through
16:14:48 <Michael> JanSjoerd: short summary regarding after pages: 
16:15:06 <Michael> JanSjoerd: reduce font-size on some headings
16:15:35 <Michael> shadi: looks like a bug
16:15:36 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/index
16:16:56 <Tom> q+
16:17:20 <shadi> ack t
16:17:36 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:17:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated in-between pages" taken up [from shadi]
16:17:37 <Michael> Present: JanSjoerd, Eric, Michael, Shadi, Tom
16:18:55 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Dec/0010.html
16:19:04 <Michael> JanSjoerd: navigation icons are similar to annotation icons, should be different
16:19:24 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Dec/0015.html
16:20:10 <Michael> shadi: action items are still open 
16:20:31 <Michael> jansjoerd: The alternatives associated to the icons in the in-between pages should change. Now it is "Annotation" regardless what icon. This may arise the impression that they have no distinction. A proposal: "Information - annotation" for info.png, "Real issue - annotation" for notok.png, "Error corrected - annotation" for ok.png and "Warning - annotation" for warning.png.
16:21:47 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:21:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "WAI-AGE findings" taken up [from shadi]
16:22:02 <Michael> Regrets: Mike
16:22:14 <Michael> zakim, take up next
16:22:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, Michael
16:22:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2008OctDec/0025
16:23:37 <Michael> zakim, take up next
16:23:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "New Demo navigation" taken up [from shadi]
16:23:59 <shadi> http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/20081209_example.html
16:25:15 <Michael> q+
16:25:44 <Michael> michael: who shall merge the css together and make it consistent
16:25:59 <eric> q+
16:26:06 <shadi> ack m
16:26:34 <Michael> Michael: naming Classes, IDs should be done in a consistent way
16:26:51 <shadi> ack e
16:27:25 <Michael> eric: navigation in separate css, add a prefix, like "meta-"
16:28:31 <Michael> Michael: probaly its easier to adapt my parts to erics, its much less
16:29:04 <Michael> Michael: till next meeting
16:29:58 <Michael> Michael: sorry, not this week
16:30:30 <JanSjoerd> q+
16:30:50 <shadi> ack j
16:31:13 <Michael> Shadi: we should put all parts together in w3.org and see how things work together
16:31:21 <Michael> q+
16:31:37 <shadi> ack m
16:31:50 <Michael> Michael: i think, one should maintain this merging, and try to get worst things fixed in adcance
16:31:59 <Michael> s/adcance/advance/
16:32:35 <Michael> Michael: before we put it on w3.org
16:33:21 <Michael> Shadi: on w3.org it's still a draft
16:33:58 <Michael> Michael: merging has to be done by *one* person anyway
16:34:17 <eric> q+
16:34:24 <Michael> ... but go on in the discussion, i'm too slow to participate ;-)
16:34:36 <shadi> ack e
16:34:57 <Michael> eric: agrees, it's impossible to have it done by different persons
16:35:04 <Michael> eric: i can do this
16:35:37 <Michael> Action: merge the different versions together, using svn and bugtracking
16:36:20 <Michael> Shadi: can install tracking tool
16:40:28 <Michael> Eric: would prefer to do the in-between pages as last step in the process, otherwise it's difficult to keep up to date with changes in after pages
16:40:53 <Michael> Shadi: find a good balance between waiting and putting things together
16:41:59 <Michael> Eric: i can do this in two weeks from now
16:42:08 <Michael> Eric: i have 2 friends
16:43:36 <Michael> zakim, take up next
16:43:36 <Zakim> agendum 5. "WCAG 2.0 evaluations" taken up [from shadi]
16:45:25 <Michael> Shadi: 1) we have to evaluate the after pages according to wcag 2 (-> tom)
16:45:44 <Michael> Shadi: 2) list of used techniques
16:46:19 <Michael> Shadi: we might get feedback from EOWG
16:47:57 <Michael> Shadi: 3) several matching techniques for one solution - we have to decide which techniques should be mentioned where (annotation, full report)
16:48:34 <Michael> Shadi: if annotation is sufficent we can skip full report, but there is a possibility to have both
16:49:09 <Michael> Shadi: annotated pages might be too full, then we can have a full report for more information
16:49:32 <Michael> Tom: we have to see first how the annoation page looks like
16:50:11 <Michael> Action: Tom will do a evaluation of the after till next meeting
16:50:25 <Michael> zakim, take up next
16:50:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
16:51:16 <Michael> next meeting jan 7th
16:52:16 <Michael> JanSjoerd: Wilco Fiers will join the TF instead of JanSjoerd
16:52:33 <Michael> Shadi: thanks to JanSjoerd for participating
16:53:34 <Michael> season greetings to everyone
16:53:37 <Zakim> -Tom
16:53:38 <Zakim> -Eric
16:53:41 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:53:57 <Zakim> -JanSjoerd
16:54:03 <Zakim> -michael
16:54:04 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
16:54:05 <Zakim> Attendees were JanSjoerd, Shadi, Eric, Tom, michael
16:54:40 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:54:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:54:52 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:54:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/17-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:54:53 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:54:57 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:54:57 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/17-badtf-actions.rdf :
16:54:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: merge the different versions together, using svn and bugtracking [1]
16:54:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/17-badtf-irc#T16-35-37
16:54:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom will do a evaluation of the after till next meeting [2]
16:54:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/17-badtf-irc#T16-50-11