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15:54:44 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
15:54:45 <Zakim> ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:51 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
15:54:54 <TomB> Chair: Guus
15:55:22 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0073.html
15:55:39 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-swd-minutes.html
15:56:04 <TomB> Regrets: Diego
15:56:09 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
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16:03:36 <Zakim> +[LC]
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16:06:29 <TomB> Scribe: Seanb
16:06:34 <seanb> scribenick: seanb
16:06:35 <TomB> scribenick: seanb
16:07:53 <Zakim> + +0786654aaaa
16:08:09 <TomB> zakim, aaaa is Aliman
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16:09:58 <seanb> Topic: Admin
16:10:04 <seanb> PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon:
16:10:05 <seanb>      http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-swd-minutes.html
16:10:19 <seanb> RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon:
16:10:19 <seanb>      http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-swd-minutes.html
16:10:29 <seanb> Topic: RDFa
16:10:36 <seanb> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:10:42 <seanb> --continues
16:10:53 <seanb> Topic: Recipes
16:11:00 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
16:11:02 <seanb> --continues
16:11:08 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
16:11:08 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
16:11:11 <seanb> --continues
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16:11:42 <seanb> Ben: nothing critical to report on RDFa
16:11:58 <seanb> Topic: RDFa METADATA NOTE
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16:12:04 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:12:09 <seanb> --continues
16:12:17 <guus> [very sorry, will join in a min, i hope]
16:12:17 <seanb> Topic: AOB
16:12:22 <seanb> ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:12:26 <seanb> --continues
16:12:46 <seanb> Topic: SKOS
16:12:53 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph to report on use of RDFa metadata in Recommendations. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:12:56 <seanb> --continues
16:13:13 <seanb> ACTION: seanb to redraft response to peter on ISSUE-157, where skos doc props are annotation props, and rdf:value example is dropped from skos
16:13:16 <seanb> --done
16:13:24 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0058.html
16:13:38 <seanb> ACTION: alistair send email with editors' draft proposed for CR before next telcon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-swd-minutes.html#action11]
16:13:40 <seanb> --done
16:14:10 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0077.html
16:14:27 <aliman> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0090.html update on CR for SKOS Reference
16:14:44 <seanb> ACTION: Antoine to write something in Primer wrt. ISSUE 160[recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:14:46 <seanb> --done
16:14:53 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0072.html
16:14:58 <seanb> ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:15:00 <seanb> --done
16:15:03 <guus> [the operator of the VU does not know how to call 
16:15:07 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0069.html
16:16:33 <seanb> ...resulting from ccing skos list re 160 issue. Do you agree with what I'm trying to defend?
16:16:38 <seanb> Alistair: Quick summary?
16:16:58 <seanb> Antoine: Started after note re. SKOS Collection. People started to say that we should put all the
16:17:04 <Zakim> +Veronique
16:17:20 <guus> zakim, Veronique is Guus
16:17:20 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
16:17:22 <TomB> zakim, Veronique is really Guus
16:17:22 <Zakim> sorry, TomB, I do not recognize a party named 'Veronique'
16:17:26 <seanb> ...BS5723 and ISO<whatever> into the model. But that's not the priority and will make things 
16:17:29 <seanb> ...complicated
16:19:28 <seanb> Guus: proposal on the table for the decision to request CR status for SKOS Reference. 
16:19:55 <seanb> ...today Alistair sent message 
16:19:57 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0090.html
16:20:14 <aliman> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/ SKOS Reference Editors' Draft, proposed for candidate rec (rev 1.73)
16:20:22 <seanb> ...Reference updated.
16:20:33 <seanb> Alistair: all documents updated and ready to go. 
16:20:45 <seanb> Guus: Anyone want discussion on this? 
16:21:01 <seanb> ...would like to see the issue list.
16:21:34 <seanb> ...one issue left. 157. Informal response from Peter. No problems anticipated.
16:21:51 <seanb> ...Document describing disposition
16:22:05 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0080.html
16:22:20 <seanb> Message from Sean describing at risk features.
16:22:22 <Antoine> scribenick:Antoine
16:22:51 <Antoine> Sean: three features: namespace URI, relationship between mapping props
16:23:06 <Antoine> ... and topConceptOf naming
16:23:15 <Antoine> ... no change for 2 and 3
16:23:29 <Antoine> ... but the namespace has been reverted to the original namespace
16:23:41 <Antoine> Guus: about the XL namespace?
16:24:00 <Antoine> Sean: current position: the XL namespace remain in the 2005/08 namespace
16:24:17 <Antoine> Guus: it should be part of our decision that we have two namespaces
16:24:21 <aliman> XL namespace: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl
16:24:32 <Antoine> Guus: proposal is clear to everybody
16:24:37 <aliman> xl namespace has not changed since first published
16:24:50 <Antoine> ... request CR status for SKOS reference
16:25:16 <Antoine> ... based on documents outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0090.html
16:25:51 <Antoine> Guus: I propose to accept the proposal
16:26:05 <Antoine> Antoine: I second
16:26:10 <Antoine> Guus: objections?
16:26:19 <Antoine> Guus: RESOLVED
16:26:32 <Antoine> ... I'd like to thank the editors.
16:26:42 <edsu> :-)
16:26:58 <aliman> scribe should probably do "RESOLVED:" in IRC
16:27:21 <Antoine> ACTION: chairs to write the CR transition request
16:27:50 <Antoine> Guus: from now on we can focus on implementation report
16:27:59 <aliman> E.g. "RESOLVED: to request CR transition for SKOS reference based on documents outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0090.html"
16:28:10 <Antoine> ... and the additional documents (primer, use cases)
16:28:44 <Antoine> Sean: can we close ISSUE 157?
16:28:47 <Antoine> Guus: yes
16:29:14 <Antoine> Guus: how about the problem with doctype?
16:29:33 <Antoine> Alistair: if we're happy with the output of W3C validator there's no problem
16:30:23 <Antoine> Guus: did you ask any feedback from RDFa task force?
16:30:39 <Antoine> Ben: no time to read details, but I want to look at it
16:31:18 <Antoine> Guus: SKOS Primer
16:31:45 <Antoine> ... it would be nice if we could republish Primer when the Reference is accepted
16:31:47 <seanb> scribenick: seanb
16:32:18 <seanb> Antoine: the last paragraphs sent around are already in the 
16:32:32 <seanb> ...editors draft. If these are ok, then it would be easy to republish. Almost the last things
16:32:37 <seanb> ...to be dealt with
16:32:47 <seanb> Guus; So you're ready. Is review requried?
16:33:00 <seanb> Antoine: At least one for editorial quality/santiy checks
16:33:10 <seanb> Guus: Who were reviewers? Tom?
16:33:14 <seanb> Tom: yes
16:33:22 <seanb> Guss: Willing to check them?
16:33:25 <seanb> Tom: yes
16:33:38 <edsu> TomB: thanks!
16:34:03 <seanb> Guus; Antoine/Ed Happy to accept an action for new working draft?
16:34:28 <seanb> Antoine: As long as there's not much feedback on recent paras. Would prefer action
16:34:38 <seanb> Ed: attach to wiki or move into place?
16:34:46 <seanb> Guus: Can still be on the wiki if tom's ok
16:34:48 <seanb> Tom: ok
16:34:52 <Antoine> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer
16:35:30 <seanb> Antoine: Would prefer to wait for feedback on the latest paras. Only my first try
16:36:05 <seanb> ...at this. Not checked by anyone yet. 
16:36:17 <seanb> Guus: Tom should review dec 16th veruibs
16:36:39 <seanb> ACTION: Tom to review Dec 16th version of SKOS Primer
16:36:49 <seanb> Guus: Can handle feeback in parallel. 
16:36:49 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SKOSPrimer-081216.html
16:36:54 <seanb> Tom: What's the deadline?
16:37:22 <seanb> Guus: By beginnin Jan. Call somewhere in first ten days. BTW, Alistair and Sean likely
16:37:35 <seanb> ...to be invited on to that call. We'll schedule separately.
16:38:13 <seanb> ...Propose to schedule call around 6th Jan, so review by then.
16:38:57 <seanb> Guus: Use case and requirement we can postpone for now.
16:39:12 <seanb> ...Implementation report can be on agenda for next call.
16:39:21 <seanb> ...propose next call on 6th Jan. 
16:39:22 <TomB> +1 for 6 January
16:39:41 <seanb> RESOLVED: next call 6th Jan.
16:40:52 <seanb> ...AOB?
16:41:09 <seanb> ...congrats to all on work well done. Looking forward to completion in 2009.
16:41:20 <seanb> ...Happy holidays
16:41:25 <seanb> [meeting adjourned]
16:41:26 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
16:41:30 <Zakim> -Aliman
16:42:00 <seanb> Regrets: Diego Berrueta
16:42:09 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:42:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-swd-minutes.html seanb
16:42:24 <seanb> zakim, please list attendees
16:42:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TomB, seanb, edsu, Antoine_Isaac, +0786654aaaa, Aliman, Ben_Adida, Guus
16:42:50 <seanb> rrsagent, please make minutes public
16:42:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', seanb.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:43:50 <seanb> rrsagent, please make record public
16:44:05 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:44:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-swd-minutes.html seanb
16:45:56 <seanb> Present: Tom Baker, Sean Bechhofer, Ed Summers, Antoine Isaac, Alistair Miles, Ben Adida, Guus Schreiber
16:46:05 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:46:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-swd-minutes.html seanb
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