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15:54:39 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
15:54:39 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:49 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
15:54:56 <shadi> chair: Shadi
15:55:04 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Dec/0003.html
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15:55:36 <shadi> agenda+ Review of action items
15:55:49 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
15:56:38 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
15:56:46 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aaaa
15:56:58 <shadi> zakim, where is +31?
15:56:58 <Zakim> country code 31 is Netherlands
15:57:06 <JanSjoerd> zakim, aaaa is JanSjoerd
15:57:06 <Zakim> +JanSjoerd; got it
15:57:28 <Tom> Tom has joined #badtf
15:58:08 <Zakim> +Eric
15:58:23 <Zakim> +Tom
15:58:37 <Zakim> +ifette
15:58:52 <shadi> zakim, ifette is Shadi
15:58:52 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
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16:02:05 <Zakim> +Maik
16:02:31 <shadi> scribe: Maik
16:02:37 <shadi> scribenick: maik_w
16:04:04 <shadi> agenda?
16:04:22 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:04:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items" taken up [from shadi]
16:05:16 <maik_w> shadi;we're a bit over scedule
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16:06:34 <maik_w> eric: next steps: clear up the sidebars in the next days
16:07:17 <Zakim> +Michael
16:08:31 <maik_w> tom: it's good that the html-code is cleaned up as well
16:09:38 <shadi> action: Eric provide final styling improvements by Monday 8 December
16:10:05 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/index
16:10:19 <maik_w> eric: it's not yet clear if we should show an background image case at the sidebar
16:11:14 <Michael> q+
16:11:36 <shadi> ack m
16:12:53 <maik_w> shadi: we could show the background sample at the bullet points at the bottom
16:13:30 <eric> q+
16:13:40 <shadi> ack e
16:13:47 <Michael> zakim, mute me
16:13:47 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
16:14:35 <Michael> michael agrees with tom
16:15:02 <maik_w> tom: too much background-images are used in a "content-way"
16:15:20 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
16:15:20 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
16:16:00 <Michael> q+
16:17:46 <shadi> ack m
16:19:13 <maik_w> michael: accesskeys only make sense in a very special case
16:20:49 <maik_w> michael: only at intranets for example, not at www-sites
16:21:37 <maik_w> tom: it's difficult to implement accesskeys without messing up users configuration
16:22:08 <maik_w> shadi: okay, accesskeys are gone...
16:24:16 <maik_w> jan: positioning of the annotations has to be fixed for opera browsers
16:25:26 <maik_w> jan: which content should be shown as annotation?
16:26:54 <Michael> whispers: can somebody provide a link?
16:27:25 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Nov/0037.html
16:28:46 <maik_w> shadi: we should decide: the box appears if the symbol is hovered or if it's clicked
16:29:08 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Dec/0002.html
16:29:18 <Michael> http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/inbetween/inbetween_after.html
16:30:39 <Michael> q+
16:30:45 <JanSjoerd> q+
16:31:27 <shadi> ack m
16:32:30 <shadi> [notes: need smaller icons, obviously distinct from the remaining visual design, only 1-2 icons]
16:32:45 <shadi> ack j
16:33:06 <Tom> what is the command to get into the speaker queue?
16:33:07 <maik_w> jan: the page could look a kind of confusing if boxes are shown by hovering because a lot if icons are next the other and they all could show up
16:34:30 <maik_w> jan: we should use only two icons within one page
16:35:42 <shadi> http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/online?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F&idioma=en-US
16:37:06 <maik_w> shadi: in this example you can see how it could work
16:37:24 <Michael> whispers its the TITLE altribute
16:38:03 <eric> q+
16:38:39 <shadi> ack e
16:38:57 <Michael> zakim, mute me
16:38:57 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
16:39:24 <maik_w> shadi: a click on the icon brings you to the linked description, hovering the icon shows the title
16:39:43 <Tom> q+
16:39:49 <shadi> ack t
16:40:15 <Michael> q+
16:40:44 <shadi> ack m
16:40:50 <maik_w> eric: jans versions got a list, only hidden. there should be backlinks to get back to where you were
16:41:51 <JanSjoerd> q+
16:42:09 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
16:42:09 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
16:43:13 <maik_w> michael: be careful, the title-attribute is not shown to keyboard-users
16:43:35 <shadi> ack JanSjoerd
16:44:14 <eric> http://ericeggert.net/inbetween/inbetween_after.html <- Jan Soerds version with visible list.
16:44:46 <maik_w> jan: at the updated version you get a lightbox with a link inside
16:47:29 <Michael> q+
16:47:36 <eric> q+
16:47:38 <Michael> http://www.biogas-netzeinspeisung.at/planungstool/project-viewer.html?project_id=30&jump=2
16:47:51 <maik_w> shadi: box should show up if icon is hovered or focused
16:48:20 <shadi> ack m
16:48:24 <maik_w> shadi: the list should be always shown
16:48:52 <shadi> ack e
16:48:57 <eric> http://daringfireball.net/2008/11/google_mobile_uses_private_iphone_apis#fn1-2008-11-19
16:51:31 <shadi> action: Jan Sjoerd to provide an updated version of the in-between pages before 10 December 2008
16:54:36 <Michael> zakim, mute shadi
16:54:36 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
16:55:03 <Michael> zakim, unmute shadi
16:55:06 <Zakim> Shadi was not muted, Michael
16:55:37 <maik_w> michael:we have two parts heading and the "real" demo, we should put in some hidden notes like "demo starts here"
16:56:59 <maik_w> michael: for example some hidden paragraphs
16:57:19 <Michael> zakim, mute me
16:57:36 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
16:58:03 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:58:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
16:58:19 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
16:58:20 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
17:00:34 <Zakim> -Tom
17:01:18 <shadi> RESOLUTION: next meetings 10 & 17 December
17:01:39 <Michael> Michael has left #badtf
17:01:54 <Zakim> -Michael
17:02:21 <Zakim> -Eric
17:02:27 <Zakim> -Shadi
17:02:30 <Zakim> -JanSjoerd
17:02:36 <Zakim> -Maik
17:02:36 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
17:02:38 <Zakim> Attendees were +31.30.239.aaaa, JanSjoerd, Eric, Tom, Shadi, Maik, Michael
17:02:48 <shadi> zakim, bye
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17:02:54 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
17:02:58 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/03-badtf-minutes.html shadi
17:03:02 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
17:03:07 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
17:03:07 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/03-badtf-actions.rdf :
17:03:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric provide final styling improvements by Monday 8 December [1]
17:03:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/03-badtf-irc#T16-09-38
17:03:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jan Sjoerd to provide an updated version of the in-between pages before 10 December 2008 [2]
17:03:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/03-badtf-irc#T16-51-31
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