IRC log of swd on 2008-12-02

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15:58:16 [TomB]
rrsagent, bookmark
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See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T15-58-16
15:58:21 [TomB]
zakim, this will be swd
15:58:21 [Zakim]
ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: SWD WG
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Chair: Tom
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0005.html
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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html
15:59:28 [TomB]
rrsagent, please make record public
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SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
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+??P40
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+ +0786654aaaa
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+[CTIC]
16:03:06 [aliman]
zakim, 4aaaa is aliman
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sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named '4aaaa'
16:03:07 [TomB]
Regrets: Ed
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+Antoine_Isaac
16:03:12 [berrueta]
zakim, [CTIC] is me
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+berrueta; got it
16:03:21 [aliman]
zakim, 0786654aaaa is me
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sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named '0786654aaaa'
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+??P59
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zakim, ??P59 is me
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+seanb; got it
16:03:37 [aliman]
zakim, + +0786654aaaa is me
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I don't understand '+ +0786654aaaa is me', aliman
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zakim, +0786654aaaa is me
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+aliman; got it
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/me got there in the end
16:06:11 [TomB]
Scribe: Antoine
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scribenick: Antoine
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Topic: ADMIN
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RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon
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+??P22
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RESOLVED: next telecon 9 December
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Zakim, +??P22 is Guus
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sorry, Antoine, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
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Zakim, ??P22 is Guus
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+Guus; got it
16:07:44 [Antoine]
Topic: RDFa
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ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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-- CONTINUES
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Topic: Recipes
16:08:20 [Antoine]
ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:08:22 [berrueta]
new editor's draft -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/draft-20081201.html
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--DONE
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Diego: changes are...
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... new companion document
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... new change log section
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... with respect to the issue that was mentioned
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... the obsolete references were replaced
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Tom: does the curent version refers to the TAG position?
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.. explicitly?
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s/curent/current
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... it is not clear to me whether the TAG document is intended to be cited like that
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Diego: not sure, indeed
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... we cite the Cool URIs, we also have reference to email of TAG resolution
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Tom: we should have somebody review these changes and report back
16:12:25 [Antoine]
Guus: I propose that we consult Ralph
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ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
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--CONTINUES
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Topic: RDFA metadata note
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ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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--CONTINUES
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Topic: AOB
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ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
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--CONTINUES
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Topic: SKOS
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ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:14:20 [Antoine]
Sean: do we still require dealing with this issue?
16:14:27 [Antoine]
... the draft response has gone out
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Tom, Guus: OK
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ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
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ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:15:09 [aliman]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0014.html ISSUE-135 response
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--DONE
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ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions to the skos schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
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--CONTINUES
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Tom: SKOS namespace question
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Sean: a draft response has been written
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
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... Antoine and Alistair are happy with the proposed appendix
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... we can send the draft and we're done
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PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-135 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:18:06 [seanb]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:18:13 [Antoine]
PROPOSED that we approve the proposed resolution to ISSUE-153 and ISSUE-175
16:18:14 [aliman]
s/135/153/
16:19:20 [Antoine]
PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-153 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:19:53 [Antoine]
Guus: I support
16:20:03 [Antoine]
RESOLVED to respond to ISSUE-153 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:20:15 [aliman]
for the record, I support this
16:20:23 [Antoine]
PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0020.html
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s/20/18
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PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:21:16 [Antoine]
Tom: is there any difference in the text?
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Sean: not really
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... just in case one says yes and the other says no
16:21:47 [Antoine]
RESOLVED to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:22:29 [Antoine]
Tom: OWL-DL aspect
16:22:46 [Antoine]
Sean: I need to discuss with Guus, I don't think there is a big issue here
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ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12]
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--CONTINUES
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Aliman: are we going to say that we will not make substantive changes?
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Guus: yes
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... we might have a note indicating what kind of precautions OWL-DL people have to take
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... with the annotation property decision we made that should be ok
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ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13]
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--DONE
16:25:35 [aliman]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0012.html new issue for mappingRelation
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ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
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--CONTINUES
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--DONE
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0010.html
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SKOS Primer
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ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14]
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+Ralph
16:28:14 [aliman]
antoine: issue closed 160, alistair proposed issue is closed by change to primer...
16:28:21 [aliman]
...this is not recorded anywhere else.
16:28:22 [Ralph]
[Ralph arrives late]
16:28:42 [Antoine]
Alistair: we spent a response to Doug
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s/spent/sent/
16:29:01 [Antoine]
.. he answered but asking a modification to Primer
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:29:38 [TomB]
I just dropped off of the call!
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-??P40
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redialing
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+??P28
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zakim, ??p28 is TomB
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+TomB; got it
16:31:19 [Antoine]
ACTION: Antoine to write something in Primer wrt. ISSUE 160
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Guus: we should go through the issue list
16:32:12 [Antoine]
Tom: before: Ralph, we wanted to ask you advice
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... on the process of re-publishing the Recipes
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... especially wrt. having the reference to the TAG decision
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... and about the process of re-publishing the note (reviews, etc.)
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Ralph: I don't have a strong opinion about the citation of the TAG finding
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... I suggest that we might use the internal review process we have used in the past
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Tom: since the changes are of technical nature
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... Ralph would you be willing to review them from that perspective?
16:34:38 [Antoine]
Ralph: yes
16:34:57 [Antoine]
ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
16:35:26 [Ralph]
-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/draft-20081201.html Recipes Editor's Draft 01-December
16:35:36 [Antoine]
Tom: SKOS raised issues
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s/raised/open
16:36:06 [TomB]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3
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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3
16:36:50 [Antoine]
Alistair: I assumed that for some issues there would be an agreement
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... as we implemented what the commenter proposed
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Ralph: it's probably wise to send a response to reviewer
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... just saying that we agreed
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Tom: ISSUE 130
16:37:35 [Ralph]
-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/130 issue 130
16:37:47 [Ralph]
s/ 130/ 130 skos:hasTopConcept and skos:topConceptOf
16:38:12 [Antoine]
Alistair: we're expecting answer
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... how long do we need to wait?
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... apart from 153/157/175 there have been answers sent for all issues
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... 181-185 Antoine send on nov 6
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Tom: the most recent is 186
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Ralph: shorter than a week would be questionable
16:41:25 [Antoine]
Tom: by next week we could be done to just three issues
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s/done/down
16:42:35 [Antoine]
Tom: it seems we're almost done with the issues
16:42:46 [Antoine]
... we should shift our attention to the other documents
16:42:55 [Ralph]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0023.html "Update on Last Call Comments" [Alistair 2008-12-02]
16:43:01 [Antoine]
... UCR, Primer
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Guus: we could be just in time to make a candidate REC request before Xmas
16:43:59 [Antoine]
Ralph: it would be tight
16:44:14 [Antoine]
.. the document has to pass pubrules checker before 18 dec
16:44:37 [Antoine]
... I won't be available for a telecon on Dec 16
16:44:53 [Antoine]
... if we have something for the 16 I could send it in time
16:45:04 [Antoine]
Guus: we would then to have to vote next week
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Ralph: we could vote next week if we have responses to the last 3 issues
16:46:00 [Antoine]
... I could try to ask for a director's decision for Dec 17
16:46:31 [Antoine]
... the sooner we get answers, the better for scheduling the decision
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Tom: if Guus and Sean can propose a resolution to 157
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... and if we can approve that on the list
16:47:08 [Ralph]
s/if we have/with the understanding that our vote is contingent on the commentors accepting our reponse
16:48:21 [Antoine]
Ralph: maybe anything we release before Xmas would not get attention
16:49:23 [Antoine]
... we could vote to resolve all the issues and ask for CR in the first week of January
16:50:55 [Antoine]
Ralph: my proposal would be to request CR by the 16th
16:51:13 [Antoine]
... on the 17th I will ask for an extension of our charter
16:51:47 [Antoine]
Ralph: how long are we considering for CR?
16:51:53 [Antoine]
Guus: 4-6 weeks
16:52:22 [Antoine]
Ralph: I suggest on Dec 16 resolution to request CR on first week of January
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... and on 17th I ask for a extension to April
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s/April/ end of April
16:53:01 [Antoine]
... that would fit an end for CR in March
16:53:57 [Antoine]
Guus: we can ask on the list whether people disagree for a response on 157
16:54:35 [Antoine]
... once a draft response has been posted
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... and next Tuesday we make the formal decision
16:54:53 [Antoine]
Tom: ok!
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Tom: any issues to raise?
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Tom: meeting is adjourned
16:56:07 [Zakim]
-berrueta
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-TomB
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-Ralph
16:56:41 [Antoine]
zakim, list participants
16:56:41 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, seanb, aliman, Guus, Ralph, TomB
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RRSAgent, make logs public
16:57:06 [Antoine]
RRSAgent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html Antoine
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Zakim, bye
16:57:20 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, seanb, aliman, Guus, Ralph, TomB
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Zakim has left #swd
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 15 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [1]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-07-55
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ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02] [2]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-08-20
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ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [3]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-12-46
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ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [4]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-11
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ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] [5]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-29
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ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] [6]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-59
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] [7]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-14-53
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08] [8]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-15-01
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ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions to the skos schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07] [9]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-15-33
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ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12] [10]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-22-50
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ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13] [11]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-25-14
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ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10] [12]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-25-53
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ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13]
16:57:50 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-27-01
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ACTION: Antoine to write something in Primer wrt. ISSUE 160 [14]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-31-19
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ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [15]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-34-57