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12:56:09 <jsderber> chair Daniel
12:56:47 <jsderber> chair: Daniel
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12:57:02 <jsderber> Scribe: felix
12:59:15 <Zakim> +??P2
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12:59:23 <hui> I also, will only follow the irc, sorry
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13:00:35 <jsderber> rrsagent, make log public
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13:01:32 <Daniel> once Felix is coming, let's start today call since he is a scriber today
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13:02:01 <Zakim> + +51810aaaa
13:02:28 <thierry> what time is the  Annot WG call today ?
13:02:57 <jsderber> zakim, who is here?
13:02:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joakim, ??P2, ??P1, +51810aaaa
13:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see thierry, Vero, ruben, davy, hui, RRSAgent, Zakim, Daniel, jsderber, wonsuk, trackbot
13:03:12 <Zakim> +??P8
13:03:40 <Zakim> +Thierry
13:03:44 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mediaann-minutes.html
13:04:36 <jsderber> ho is noisy?
13:04:43 <jsderber> who is noisy?
13:05:15 <jsderber> zakim, who is noisy?
13:05:22 <Daniel> any volunteeer for the next call ?
13:05:26 <Zakim> jsderber, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (9%), Thierry (28%)
13:05:46 <Daniel> if you would be a scriber, then let chairs know later via email
13:06:05 <jsderber> zakim, mute Thierry
13:06:05 <Zakim> Thierry should now be muted
13:07:13 <jsderber> zakim, who is noisy?
13:07:20 <Daniel> we'd confirm UTC 13:00 for every call from the next, so don't be confused
13:07:24 <Zakim> jsderber, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joakim (21%), ??P2 (41%), ??P8 (40%)
13:07:31 <Daniel> any commnets on this changes ?
13:07:42 <jsderber> Change meeting hours to permanent at 13.00!
13:07:49 <jsderber> +1
13:07:55 <wonsuk> +1
13:08:18 <ruben> +1
13:08:21 <jsderber> zakim, mute ??P2
13:08:21 <Zakim> ??P2 should now be muted
13:08:23 <hui> +1
13:08:47 <jsderber> zakim, mute ??P8
13:08:47 <Zakim> ??P8 should now be muted
13:09:01 <Daniel> next call December 16 13:00 UTC
13:09:21 <jsderber> zakim, unmute ??P8
13:09:21 <Zakim> ??P8 should no longer be muted
13:09:36 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Ghentf2f_2008
13:10:02 <jsderber> zakim, unmute ??P2
13:10:02 <Zakim> ??P2 should no longer be muted
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13:10:21 <jsderber> zakim, unmute Thierry
13:10:21 <Zakim> Thierry should no longer be muted
13:11:30 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:12:15 <Daniel> ACTION-32 is closed
13:12:39 <Daniel> I've sent an official liaison letter to MPEG.
13:13:23 <Daniel> ACTION-42 is closed
13:13:56 <Daniel> ACTION-20/22/33 is postponed since Felix is not coming
13:15:36 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FeaturesTable
13:16:56 <jsderber> Ruben added comments to the table
13:16:56 <Daniel> Ruben is changing the feature tables
13:17:57 <jsderber> Victor can speak about the feature table in Ghent
13:19:06 <Daniel> Ruben's colleague will be able to participate f2f meeting. then he will speak about that
13:19:30 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FlickrMachineTags
13:21:44 <Daniel> can you elaborate on the machine tags in brief ?
13:23:40 <jsderber> Continue discussions about flickr machine tags on next mwwting
13:23:46 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/issues/open/
13:25:48 <Daniel> Felix proposed a new format for use case & req. document.
13:26:20 <Daniel> since Felix is not coming today, the updated document will be sent to the mailing list later
13:26:25 <wonsuk> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
13:26:57 <Daniel> top-down approach is removed from the previous version
13:29:22 <Vero> the idea is that people who contributed to the use cases could elaborate on them according to the new templte
13:29:52 <Vero> and they would be integrated in the general use case document
13:30:31 <Daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MXM
13:31:53 <Daniel> contributor will speak about MXM issue at Ghent meeting
13:32:11 <jsderber> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MetadataExchangeUsecase
13:33:40 <Daniel> I can't hear Veronique's voice on the phone
13:34:03 <Daniel> my question: it's incluced in our document ?
13:35:45 <Daniel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
13:35:55 <Daniel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
13:36:32 <Daniel> please take a look at these links, and let group know if you have any opinion on these
13:37:19 <Vero> yes, it is part of the above document, section 2.8 MEtadata exchange
13:37:37 <Vero> Felix has added it to the new version, according to his template
13:38:21 <jsderber> Does Veronique or Wonsuk like to comment the editorial work?
13:38:50 <Daniel> also, do you mind if we have this metadata exchange use case without any discussion ?
13:38:58 <Vero> well, I think that the document as Felix has restrucutured it is quite clear and up to the point
13:39:23 <Vero> if teh WG would approve it, we could edit the application scenario and uses cases that have yet to be re-edited
13:39:33 <Vero> with the contributor's inputs
13:40:03 <Vero> anyone can discuss the use cases and requirements
13:40:29 <Vero> nothing is definitive yet
13:40:49 <Vero> but this structure is simple and efficient, so I would vote to keep it like it is
13:40:59 <Vero> the content can be further discussed, of course
13:41:04 <Vero> and new use cases added
13:41:09 <jsderber> Ask everyone to read the doucment and come with commetns before the F2F
13:41:47 <Vero> s/doucment/document/
13:41:51 <Daniel> question: we would vote to keep it like it is
13:41:59 <Daniel> +1
13:42:06 <Vero> what is "it"?
13:42:15 <Vero> the structure or the content?
13:42:22 <Daniel> it means the current format of use case and requirement document
13:42:29 <Vero> ok, +1
13:42:32 <wonsuk> +1
13:42:39 <jsderber> +1
13:42:42 <ruben> +1
13:44:02 <Vero> nothing special
13:44:06 <Daniel> any other issues ?
13:44:49 <Daniel> thanks. and have a safe trip to Ghent
13:44:49 <wonsuk> see you in ghent.. 
13:44:51 <wonsuk> bye
13:44:55 <jsderber> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mediaann-minutes.html jsderber
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13:47:04 <jsderber> zakim, ??P2 is Daniel
13:47:04 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as ??P2, jsderber
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13:47:17 <jsderber> zakim, ??P8 is Daniel
13:47:17 <Zakim> I already had ??P8 as ??P8, jsderber
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13:51:19 <Zakim> +Felix
13:52:29 <Daniel> hi
13:52:36 <Daniel> we've done today call
13:52:51 <jsderber> I did the same two weeks ago!
13:52:52 <Daniel> 13:00 UTC, 22:00 in Korea and Japan
13:52:58 <jsderber> (missed by 1 h)
13:53:17 <Zakim> -Felix
13:53:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintes', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:53:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:53:49 <Zakim> -Thierry
13:53:50 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:53:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Joakim, +51810aaaa, Thierry, Felix
13:53:52 <Daniel> anyhow, have a good night Felix and see you next week in Ghent
13:54:08 <plh> argh, I didn't manage to join the call once again :(
13:54:20 <fsasaki> yes, but this time it is my fault
13:54:26 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:54:37 <plh> when will it be next week?
13:54:41 <plh> smae time as today?
13:54:43 <fsasaki> we will have the f2f in Ghent
13:54:47 <plh> ah yes
13:54:48 <fsasaki> next week
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13:55:40 <Daniel> Felix and Philippe, I should go now for taking care of my children...take care and see you later
13:55:47 <fsasaki> sure, have a good night!
13:55:52 <plh> have a good night Daniel
13:57:22 <fsasaki> I will send out the minutes
13:57:52 <fsasaki> plh, if you have time to look into MA issues, read http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Ghentf2f_2008 and 
13:58:00 <fsasaki> which is based on http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FeaturesTable
13:58:27 <fsasaki> and the requirements document proposal, esp. http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html#requirements
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14:21:10 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:21:10 <RRSAgent> I see no action items