IRC log of mwts on 2008-11-18
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc
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- 15:58:23 [wilhelm]
- RRSAgent, make log public
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- Zakim, this will be TS
- 15:58:33 [Zakim]
- ok, wilhelm; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
- 15:59:05 [wilhelm]
- Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
- 16:00:01 [wilhelm]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Nov/0003.html
- 16:00:18 [wilhelm]
- Chair: dom
- 16:01:41 [Zakim]
- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
- 16:01:48 [Zakim]
- +??P38
- 16:01:51 [Zakim]
- +wilhelm
- 16:01:54 [dom]
- zakim, ??P38 is me
- 16:01:54 [Zakim]
- +dom; got it
- 16:02:31 [Zakim]
- + +0788217aaaa
- 16:02:41 [dom]
- zakim, aaaa is Kai
- 16:02:41 [Zakim]
- +Kai; got it
- 16:03:04 [dom]
- Topic: Widgets Testing
- 16:03:16 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to announce his early work on testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
- 16:03:17 [Zakim]
- +Carmelo
- 16:03:24 [hendry]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/0235.html
- 16:04:53 [dom]
- Kai: I haven't received any answer on that yet; I'm still working on it, but would be useful to get feedback
- 16:05:24 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to the WebAppS WG Chairs
- 16:05:39 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING]
- 16:06:00 [dom]
- Wilhelm: I'm looking internally to see which systems and resources that we can share from Opera; it's pending approval
- 16:06:08 [dom]
- ... I'm trying to get more people involved
- 16:06:51 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing
- 16:07:20 [Zakim]
- +??P19
- 16:07:30 [dom]
- zakim, ??P19 is dmitri
- 16:07:30 [Zakim]
- +dmitri; got it
- 16:07:38 [dom]
- Topic: Cookies test suite
- 16:07:51 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
- 16:07:57 [dom]
- Wilhelm: made some progress
- 16:07:59 [Carmelo]
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- 16:08:08 [dsilaev]
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- 16:08:29 [dom]
- Kai: have you noticed on the new windows mobile browser screenshot of the WCT that it is failing the cookies test?
- 16:09:06 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies test
- 16:09:44 [dom]
- Kai: I'm surprised that it passed the contenteditable and inputmode tests
- 16:09:58 [dom]
- Wilhelm: I can make tests that actually use these features to check
- 16:10:15 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage of contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing
- 16:10:33 [dom]
- Topic: Device Independent Testing Guidelines
- 16:10:54 [dom]
- ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the comments received so far [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
- 16:11:02 [dom]
- s/PENDING/DONE
- 16:11:12 [dom]
- Carmelo: I've put up an updated version in the repository
- 16:11:18 [hendry]
- link? to diff? :P
- 16:11:19 [dom]
- ... Someone suggested to add examples to the guidelines
- 16:11:35 [dom]
- ... if anyone has actual examples to suggest as a basis for inspiration, this would be great
- 16:11:40 [dom]
- s/DONE/PENDING
- 16:11:48 [hendry]
- http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html
- 16:11:57 [dom]
- -> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html CVS
- 16:13:58 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines
- 16:14:10 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines
- 16:14:20 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?)
- 16:14:38 [dom]
- Topic: Web Compatibility Test
- 16:14:58 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
- 16:15:06 [dom]
- http://www.w3.org/Mobile/
- 16:15:50 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release on web compatibility test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING]
- 16:17:25 [dom]
- Dom: seems like making a press release out of the blue would be a bit awkward
- 16:17:44 [dom]
- ... didn't hear much enthusiasm about doing a technical report last time
- 16:18:06 [dom]
- ... we could piggy back on a related event, but not sure what
- 16:20:48 [dom]
- Kai: we could review the leading browsers through the test
- 16:20:59 [dom]
- ... and publish that as a state of the industry
- 16:23:12 [dom]
- dom: we need to remain vendors neutral
- 16:23:27 [dom]
- ... but we could do a more in depth analysis of the current state of the market
- 16:24:49 [dom]
- kai: like that idea; would be worth doing on a regular basis too
- 16:25:26 [dom]
- ... I'm happy to contribute screenshots as I take them
- 16:26:41 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB
- 16:27:44 [dom]
- Topic: Agreement on test suites with OMA
- 16:30:09 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
- 16:31:34 [dom]
- Wilhelm: we need to make sure that their tests are correct
- 16:31:50 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
- 16:35:39 [dom]
- Topic: Rechartering
- 16:35:51 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2008Nov/0002.html Rechartering
- 16:37:21 [dom]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/mwi-test-charter.html proposed new charter
- 16:39:14 [dom]
- Kai: the mission sounded too hardcore compared to what we actually do
- 16:43:00 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter
- 16:43:38 [Zakim]
- -Carmelo
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- -dom
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- -Kai
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- -wilhelm
- 16:43:43 [Zakim]
- -dmitri
- 16:43:44 [Zakim]
- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
- 16:43:45 [Zakim]
- Attendees were wilhelm, dom, +0788217aaaa, Kai, Carmelo, dmitri
- 16:44:08 [dom]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- Zakim, bye
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- s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html dom
- 16:46:01 [dom]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-actions.rdf :
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to announce his early work on testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [1]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-03-16
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to the WebAppS WG Chairs [2]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-05-24
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] [3]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-05-39
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing [4]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-06-51
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] [5]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-07-51
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies test [6]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-09-06
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage of contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing [7]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-10-15
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the comments received so far [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] [8]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-10-54
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [9]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-13-58
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [10]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-10
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?) [11]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-20
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [12]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-58
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release on web compatibility test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] [13]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-15-50
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB [14]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-26-41
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [15]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-30-09
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites [16]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-31-50
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter [17]
- 16:46:01 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-43-00