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16:07:11 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
16:07:11 <Zakim> sorry, mscottm, I don't know what conference this is
16:07:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matthias_samwald, kei, Jun, mscottm, ericP
16:07:12 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls
16:07:12 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
16:07:25 <matthias_samwald> hi, i am only listening (sitting in a public place)
16:07:39 <Zakim> +EricP
16:07:44 <ericP> i have pretty bad static as well
16:07:46 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
16:07:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.395.aacc, TNBhat, +0186528aadd, Kei_Cheung, +1.312.041.aaee, +46.4.63.3.aaff, Marc_Schroeder, EricP
16:07:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matthias_samwald, kei, Jun, mscottm, ericP
16:08:26 <ericP> topic: introductions
16:08:42 <ericP> KevinDoyle: i'm from Teranode
16:08:53 <ericP> ... we have a product that uses Oracle's triple store
16:08:54 <Zakim> + +1.781.662.aagg
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16:09:35 <ericP> ... i serve as an interface between customer (so i know their applications) and developers
16:10:43 <ericP> topic: flybase [Jun]
16:11:03 <Jun> flyweb
16:11:23 <ericP> s/flybase/flyweb/
16:12:28 <mscottm> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~zool0770/presentations/2008_11-13_HCLS_Call.pdf
16:13:11 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: HCLS Telecon - flyweb: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~zool0770/presentations/2008_11-13_HCLS_Call.pdf
16:14:27 <Jun> http://openflydata.org/flyui/build/apps/imagemashup2/
16:15:12 <matthias_samwald> i see both
16:24:59 <ericP> mscottm: you have a lookup for overloaded gene names. is that local?
16:25:09 <ericP> ... so you have all synonyms available?
16:25:29 <ericP> Jun: yes, quite authoritative within the Dres community
16:26:28 <ericP> slide: [SPARQL queries]
16:27:08 <ericP> jun: sparql tools with 8M [triples? records?] were too slow on case-insensitive searches so we down-cased everything
16:27:25 <ericP> slide: [The RDF data sources]
16:27:44 <ericP> Jun: we used d2rq
16:28:07 <ericP> ... we were conservative so we could impose minimal semantic interpretations
16:28:32 <Jun> chris mugall
16:28:37 <Jun> mungall
16:29:08 <ericP> ... Chris Mungall published one with much more semantic interpreation
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16:30:36 <ericP> slide: [SPARQLite Protocol]
16:30:45 <ericP> Jun: streaming was very important to our app
16:30:54 <ericP> ... otherwise we ran into memory limitations
16:31:43 <ericP> ... we want to eliminate killer queries (including CONSTRUCT)
16:32:04 <ericP> slide: [Lessons]
16:32:48 <ericP> Jun: we find the unified RDF approach easier, but saw no overwhelming reason we couldn't use conventional tooling
16:33:12 <ericP> ... but RDF proved easier when we had to connect to another data source (an RDB)
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16:40:53 <Jun> unbounded
16:42:45 <ericP> OPTIONAL { ... ?x } FILTER (!BOUND(?x))
16:43:56 <ericP> ericP: was streaming sparql getting around a protocol limitation, or an implementation limitation
16:44:03 <ericP> jun: implementation
16:44:09 <ericP> ericP: what were your killer queries?
16:44:13 <ericP> jun: will send
16:44:32 <ericP> mscottm: what's the cost and challenge to cloud computing for this?
16:44:54 <ericP> ... you said text matching was expensive
16:45:02 <ericP> ... e.g. identifier completion?
16:45:06 <matthias_samwald> Amazon EC2 pricing: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#pricing
16:45:18 <ericP> jun: we don't want to do too many LIKE queries -- leave that to user
16:45:53 <ericP> ... text completions is lower priority than adding data sources to flyweb
16:46:26 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-hcls-minutes.html ericP
16:46:33 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
16:47:32 <ericP> kei: is the use case focused on developmental biology, and will you expand the biological domain?
16:47:45 <ericP> jun: yes, and we are looking for opportunities to do so
16:48:06 <ericP> kei: are you considering other gene expression data, e.g. microarray?
16:48:28 <ericP> jun: yes, the @@X and @@Y databases have microarray data
16:48:58 <Jun> flyatlas
16:49:05 <ericP> ... we'll have some microarray data
16:49:23 <ericP> ... for instance, we'll integrate flyatlas into the next release of flyweb
16:50:17 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/
16:50:19 <ericP> topic: f2f [mscottm]
16:51:01 <ericP> mscottm: f2f was at the W3C TPAC in mandelieu FR. allowed us to geek with other folks
16:51:20 <matthias_samwald> someone needs to mute his/her phone.
16:51:25 <matthias_samwald> Zakim, who is talking?
16:51:35 <Zakim> matthias_samwald, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.312.041.aaee (14%), +1.781.662.aagg (5%)
16:52:14 <ericP> ... break-out session focused on integrating Bio2RDF with the LODD project
16:54:04 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/F2F/2008-10_F2F HCLS IG face2face agenda
16:56:20 <ericP> topic: Summary of ISWC
16:57:15 <Zakim> -Marc_Schroeder
16:57:43 <matthias_samwald> that was actually me. had to leave the call.
16:59:22 <ericP> topic: Outreach Update [SusieS]
16:59:56 <ericP> Susie: SemTech conf is accepting abstracts for spring 2009
17:00:15 <ericP> -> http://www.semantic-conference.com/ SemTech
17:00:47 <ericP> Susie: if we get enough proposals, we could get our own track
17:01:02 <ericP> ... i'll be a cochair for bio.... next year
17:01:11 <ericP> ... interested in improvement feedback
17:01:24 <ericP> ... working with CDISC and HL7
17:01:55 <ericP> s/bio..../bio ontologies sig at ISMB/
17:02:09 <Zakim> - +46.4.63.3.aaff
17:02:10 <Zakim> -TNBhat
17:02:11 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
17:02:12 <Zakim> - +0186528aadd
17:02:13 <Zakim> - +1.617.395.aacc
17:02:13 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-hcls-minutes.html ericP
17:02:16 <Zakim> - +1.781.662.aagg
17:02:25 <Zakim> - +1.312.041.aaee
17:02:30 <Zakim> -EricP
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