20:51:54 RRSAgent has joined #au 20:51:54 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/10-au-irc 20:52:01 Zakim, this will be AUWG 20:52:01 ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago 20:52:06 Meeting: WAI AU 20:52:43 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0041.html 20:52:51 Zakim, who's making noise? 20:52:51 sorry, JR, I don't know what conference this is 20:53:40 Zakim, this will be AUWG 20:53:40 ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago 20:53:44 Zakim, who's making noise? 20:53:44 sorry, JR, I don't know what conference this is 21:01:05 zakim, code? 21:01:05 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), JR 21:01:21 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 21:01:28 +Greg_Pisocky 21:01:43 +??P2 21:01:46 -Greg_Pisocky 21:01:47 +Greg_Pisocky 21:02:00 zakim, ??P2 is really Jan 21:02:00 +Jan; got it 21:03:45 Greg has joined #au 21:05:25 +Sueann 21:06:07 Regrets: Jutta T. 21:07:43 Sueann has joined #au 21:12:48 Topic: Tracker cleanup 21:12:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/issues/ 21:13:55 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/actions/ 21:15:45 + +1.703.414.aaaa 21:16:20 zakim, +1.703.414.aaaa is really TimB 21:16:20 +TimB; got it 21:16:43 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/WD-ATAG20-20081028/ 21:18:35 Action TB: Look at authoring tool definition wrt to conformance section. 21:18:35 Sorry, couldn't find user - TB 21:19:39 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/WD-ATAG20-20081028/#intro-rel-wcag 21:23:27 Regrets: Andrew R 21:23:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/WD-ATAG20-20081028/#intro-conf-levels 21:25:59 zakim, mute TimB 21:25:59 TimB should now be muted 21:26:13 zakim, unmute TimB 21:26:13 TimB should no longer be muted 21:27:26 zakim, mute TimB 21:27:26 TimB should now be muted 21:27:47 zakim, unmute TimB 21:27:47 TimB should no longer be muted 21:29:16 Scribe: Greg 21:30:20 Topic: B.2.2 Checking 21:30:32 JR's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0039.html 21:33:17 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/WD-ATAG20-20081025/WD-ATAG20-20081025#gl-checking 21:41:41 B.2.2.32 Help Authors Locate: For any checks that require author judgment to determine whether a potential accessibility problem is correctly identified (i.e., manual checking and semi-automated checking), the relevant content is identified (e.g., displaying the surrounding text, "Is a sign lanuage interpretation provided?") (Level A) 21:41:46 B.2.2.4 Help Authors Decide: For any checks that require author judgment to determine whether a potential accessibility problem is correctly identified (i.e., manual checking and semi-automated checking), instructions are provided to help authors to decide. (Level A) 21:41:57 B.2.2.3 Support Decision-Making: Assist authors to determine whether 21:41:58 potential accessibility problems are correctly identified (Level A): 21:42:00 - For automated checks: nothing further is required. 21:42:01 - For semi-automated checks: potential problems are identified (e.g., 21:42:03 by highlighting, by line number) and author instructions explain how 21:42:04 to decide if a problem exists (e.g., "when an image needs a long 21:42:06 description"). 21:42:07 - For manual checks: author instructions explain how to locate 21:42:09 potential problems (e.g., "Check each IMG element") and further author 21:42:10 instructions explain how to decide if a problem exists. 21:42:32 rem: "- For automated checks: nothing further is required." 21:44:14 B.2.2.5 Display Status: Provide authors with the option of viewing the 21:44:16 accessibility status of content being edited, prior to publishing 21:44:17 (e.g., list remaining accessibility problems). (Level AA) 21:44:19 - For automated checks: display identified problems. 21:44:20 - For semi-automated checks: display potential problems that were 21:44:22 confirmed by authors. 21:44:23 - For manual checks: display potential problems that were confirmed by 21:44:25 authors. 21:47:03 -TimB 21:47:37 AnnM has joined #au 21:47:50 + +044208123aabb 21:48:07 zakim, aabb is really AnneM 21:48:07 +AnneM; got it 21:52:41 Topic: Guideline B.2.4 Assist authors to manage, edit, and reuse equivalent alternatives for non-text objects. 21:53:05 Old: 21:53:08 B.2.4.1 Accept, Modify, Reject: Authors have the opportunity to accept, modify, or reject any authoring tool-supplied equivalent alternative, prior to insertion. (Level A) 21:53:10 B.2.4.2 Edit Existing: If the authoring tool is capable of adding equivalent alternatives for a type of non-text objects then authors can edit the equivalent alternatives. (Level A) 21:54:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html 21:54:10 B.2.4.1 Existing alternatives: If the authoring tool suggests existing 21:54:12 alternatives for author-selected non-text objects (e.g., previous 21:54:13 author entry, description from an image database description), provide 21:54:15 authors with the opportunity to accept, modify, or reject the 21:54:16 alternatives, prior to insertion. (Level A) 21:54:40 Applicability Note: 21:54:42 - This guideline does not apply to non-text objects that are 21:54:44 automatically added by the authoring tool. These are covered by 21:54:45 Guideline B.1.3. 21:56:25 JR: Don't just hide it from the author 21:56:31 GP: That's good 21:59:00 Note: Equivalent alternatives should not be automatically generated from unreliable sources (e.g., file names should not be used as text alternatives)@@. 21:59:27 B.2.4.2 Automatically generated alternatives: If the authoring tool 21:59:29 has the option of automatically generating alternatives for 21:59:30 author-selected non-text objects, both of the following must be true 21:59:32 (Level A): 21:59:33 - only alternatives that result from audio and/or video analysis of 21:59:35 the actual objects is acceptable (e.g., speech recognition). Use of 21:59:36 unreliable information (e.g., the file name, arbitrary numbering) is 21:59:38 not acceptable. 21:59:39 - authors are provided with the opportunity to accept, modify, or 21:59:41 reject the alternatives, prior to insertion. 22:01:31 -Sueann 22:01:32 -AnneM 22:01:34 -Greg_Pisocky 22:01:35 AnnM has left #au 22:01:35 -Jan 22:01:37 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 22:01:39 Attendees were Greg_Pisocky, Jan, Sueann, TimB, +044208123aabb, AnneM 22:01:59 Action JR: Follow up with Jeanne on starting a weekly survey 22:01:59 Created ACTION-44 - Follow up with Jeanne on starting a weekly survey [on Jan Richards - due 2008-11-17]. 22:02:09 RRSAgent, make minutes 22:02:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/10-au-minutes.html JR 22:02:15 RRSAgent, set logs public 22:02:19 Zakim, bye 22:02:19 Zakim has left #au 22:02:24 RRSAgent, bye 22:02:24 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/10-au-actions.rdf : 22:02:24 ACTION: TB to Look at authoring tool definition wrt to conformance section. [1] 22:02:24 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/10-au-irc#T21-18-35 22:02:24 ACTION: JR to Follow up with Jeanne on starting a weekly survey [2] 22:02:24 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/10-au-irc#T22-01-59