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10:10:25 <anne> anne has changed the topic to: Document under discussion: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/
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10:15:45 <MichaelC> we should make sure "State and Property Groups for Implicit Roles" matches the ARIA taxonomy
10:16:20 <anne> (aria-html5-bis should probably be updated with respect to recent changes in HTML5 at some point, e.g. event-source -> eventsource)
10:18:10 <hsivonen> anne, also changes in ARIA
10:20:35 <anne> Focusing on two things: figuring out where holes with current HTML to MSAA mapping are in existing implementations. Figuring out what the mapping should be going forward and for new HTML elements.
10:22:30 <MichaelC> hixie: HTML would like to know what should be and what is, and of what is, what is immutable
10:23:29 <MichaelC> need to document [existing | proposed] mapping between HTML features, ARIA features, MSAA, UIA, IA2, ATK, AX
10:25:01 <MichaelC> henri: might consider that the above mappings be normative, though new APIs might come along and we'd add informative mappings
10:26:03 <MichaelC> Implementer's Guide has sore relationship to this doc
10:26:52 <MichaelC> this might be a standalone normative spec
10:27:14 <MichaelC> michael: suggest it be produced by a "joint task force between PFWG and HTML WG" which is pretty much what we have here
10:27:42 <hsivonen> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/ARIA_to_API_mapping
10:28:33 <MichaelC> present: Ian Hickson, Ben Millard, Anne van Kesteren, Cynthia Shelly, Michael Cooper, Henri Sivonen
10:28:52 <MichaelC> meeting: HTML WG Breakout on Implicit Roles
10:29:00 <MichaelC> chair: <ad hoc>
10:29:04 <anne> present+ Marcos Caceres
10:30:57 <MichaelC> henri: there are cases where ARIA says "if information absent, do the right thing" but the right thing not explicated (look at DOM in a certain way?)
10:31:39 <MichaelC> anne: create a mapping to abstract concepts first, then map to the APIs
10:33:45 <MichaelC> henri: start with Aarons doc linked above
10:34:00 <MichaelC> michael: wiki fine, we should do it in the W3C mediawiki instnace
10:36:57 <MichaelC> work plan: let's fill out the table, and then figure out next steps on what's based around it
10:37:16 <MichaelC> Cynthia can contribute some information
10:37:24 <MichaelC> We need to figure out a way to get AX information
10:39:44 <MichaelC> Let's communicate using wai-xtech@w3.org
10:39:52 <MichaelC> using [Role] as a subject line flag
10:40:46 <MichaelC> action: Michael to add Ben, Ian, Anne to x-tech list
10:41:11 <anne> Maybe add simonp@opera.com too
10:41:18 <anne> seems only chaals and anders are on that list
10:41:34 <anne> (from Opera)
10:42:03 <anne> annevk@opera.com
10:42:11 <Hixie> ian@hixie.ch
10:42:22 <anne> cerbera@projectcerbera.com
10:43:46 <MichaelC> action: Michael, Cynthia to report to PFWG and propose to incorporate with implementer caucus work
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