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14:36:48 <Charlie> Meeting: Rich Web Backplane XG telecon
14:36:53 <Charlie> Chair: Charlie Wiecha
14:37:06 <Charlie> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2008Oct/0006.html
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14:45:11 <Steven> Thanks for the title/abstract
14:45:41 <Charlie> yup
14:45:51 <Charlie> looking forward to seeing where we are
14:46:01 <Charlie> for all the bits and pieces...
14:47:09 <Steven> Yes
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14:57:28 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:57:31 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:57:31 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
14:57:46 <Charlie> hi jack
14:59:23 <jackjansen> hi!
15:00:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:00:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:00:14 <Zakim> +Steven
15:00:24 <Zakim> + +31.20.616.aaaa
15:00:49 <jackjansen> zakim, + 31.20.616 is me
15:00:49 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ 31.20.616 is me', jackjansen
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15:00:59 <jackjansen> zakim, 31.20.616 is me
15:01:02 <Zakim> sorry, jackjansen, I do not recognize a party named '31.20.616'
15:01:07 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is jackjansen
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15:01:16 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
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15:03:43 <Steven> scribe: Steven
15:03:54 <Steven> Meeting: Backplane Weekly Teleconference
15:03:59 <Steven> Chair: Charlie
15:04:00 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:04:00 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:04:15 <Steven> Topic: TPAC TP Day
15:04:18 <Charlie> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/TPDay-Agenda.html
15:10:52 <Steven> [Steven explains the aims behind the session]
15:11:08 <Steven> "Session 7: Future of XML ecosystem in W3C client-side work"
15:13:37 <Steven> John: I'll send a revised version of the abstract
15:14:12 <Steven> Charlie: I put up a revised set of charts on the wiki
15:14:23 <Charlie> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/app-backplane/wiki/images/0/0f/TPAC_2008.pdf
15:14:41 <Steven> ... the demos are in good shape
15:14:50 <Steven> ... we need to think about the flow of how it comes together
15:15:12 <Steven> [look at the lsodes]
15:15:27 <Steven> s/lsodes/slides/
15:21:28 <Steven> Steven: We have two take aways: Combining tech, and it can be done now
15:22:35 <Steven> ... we should do it from the viewpoint of this incubator
15:22:48 <Steven> ... maybe cut down on the intro
15:22:57 <Steven> Charlie: Lead from the demos?
15:23:02 <Steven> Jack: I like slide 2 though
15:23:15 <Steven> Charlie: I think we can compress it
15:23:36 <Steven> Jack: Is it too late to change the title? It sounds defensive
15:23:46 <Steven> Steven: It has gone to press, but we can change the website version
15:25:04 <Steven> Charlie: There are some good demos. The ODF one, most people don't realise there is an XForms instance in there
15:26:10 <Steven> Steven: (Earlier) We can end with how modularization means you have a finer-level of possibilities for inclusion. Look at XForms instance in SMIL
15:26:24 <Steven> Charlie: At this point we can go with the set of demos we have
15:26:36 <Steven> ... maybe I should mention ARIA too though
15:27:00 <Steven> ... so John, anything on modularity?
15:27:31 <Steven> John: I have an abstract, but I'need to send it to you (having tech problems today)
15:27:49 <Steven> ... the ubiquity strategy is threefold
15:28:04 <Steven> ... that we can get cross-browser support using Ajax
15:28:16 <Steven> ... Ajax is the assembly language of the web
15:28:47 <Steven> ... and the browser manufacturers don't need to be involved
15:29:09 <Steven> ... I will use the opportunity to provide the link to Ubiquity
15:29:16 <Steven> ... open source, Apache license
15:29:38 <Steven> ... broadly applicable
15:29:58 <Steven> ... gets round haveing to seel it to the browsers
15:30:02 <Steven> s/ei/i/
15:30:10 <Steven> s/seel/sell/
15:30:20 <Steven> John: Then there's the authoring issues
15:30:58 <Steven> ... you can sell parts of the tech stack wihtout having to sell the whole
15:31:03 <Steven> s/ht/th/
15:31:46 <Steven> John: If I say wouldn't it be great to use xf:submission without much else
15:32:03 <Steven> ... do people run afoul of validators?
15:33:00 <Steven> Steven: So that's the power of XHTML Modularization
15:33:16 <Steven> ... it allows you to provide mosularized schemas/dtds
15:33:22 <Steven> s/mos/mod/
15:33:55 <Steven> ... that's how we did it with RDFa
15:34:12 <Steven> ... we had a schema in no time, and it validated immediately
15:37:29 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/News/2008#item168
15:38:20 <Steven> Steven: The spec contains examples of how to create DTDs and Schemas
15:38:41 <Steven> Steven note to self, maybe I should write a tutorial
15:39:08 <Steven> +1 from Jack
15:39:59 <Steven> Jack: Slide 16 is a bit dautning, but if you highlight the building blocks, you can make it more approachable
15:40:07 <Steven> s/datn/daunt/
15:40:16 <Steven> s/dautn/daunt/
15:41:05 <Steven> John: The third point of the threefold approach
15:41:47 <Steven> ... how do you inject the semantics
15:41:58 <Steven> ... leads to the forms attributes approach, like RDFa
15:42:33 <Steven> ... which gets the meme into the author's mind
15:43:52 <Steven> Steven: Isn't that too much for the talk?
15:45:11 <Steven> Charlie: Well, that's the 'bridge' part of the title
15:46:09 <Steven> ... it is a part of driving adoption through smaller specs
15:46:46 <Steven> ... and reduces the amount people have to mentally adopt
15:47:43 <Steven> ... but I agree it's a lot, but I think we can order it suitably
15:48:04 <Steven> John: About the slides
15:48:15 <Steven> ... are we going with slidy?
15:48:28 <Steven> ... how about ODF?
15:48:40 <Steven> Charlie: You want to post ODF slides?
15:48:58 <Steven> ... it would be easier, but I would vote for slidy
15:49:34 <Steven> ... I will translate to slidy for you if you want
15:49:44 <Steven> ... please send before Saturday night
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15:50:10 <Zakim> -Steven
15:50:10 <Zakim> -Charlie
15:50:10 <Zakim> -unl
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15:50:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Charlie, Steven, +31.20.616.aaaa, jackjansen, unl, John_Boyer
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