13:44:19 RRSAgent has joined #xmlsec 13:44:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-xmlsec-irc 13:44:21 RRSAgent, make logs member 13:44:21 Zakim has joined #xmlsec 13:44:23 Zakim, this will be XMLSEC 13:44:23 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes 13:44:24 Meeting: XML Security Working Group Teleconference 13:44:24 Date: 07 October 2008 13:44:48 Chair: Frederick Hirsch 13:45:37 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0009.html 13:45:44 Regrets: Scott Cantor 13:54:31 Regrets: Scott Cantor, John Wray 13:54:40 brich has joined #xmlsec 13:55:02 zakim, who is here? 13:55:03 T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has not yet started, fjh 13:55:04 On IRC I see brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 13:55:30 T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has now started 13:55:32 smullan has joined #xmlsec 13:55:37 + +1.512.401.aaaa 13:56:09 zakim, what is the code? 13:56:09 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh 13:56:19 zakim, aaaa is brich 13:56:19 +brich; got it 13:56:19 tlr has joined #xmlsec 13:56:31 +Frederick_Hirsch 13:56:47 zakim, who is here? 13:56:47 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch 13:56:48 On IRC I see tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 13:57:05 + +1.617.876.aabb 13:57:30 zakim, aabb is smullan 13:57:30 +smullan; got it 13:57:31 frederick, I might be 5-10min late 13:57:33 need to get something done between the calls 13:57:50 +??P14 13:58:12 zakim, P14 is gerald 13:58:14 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'P14' 13:58:22 zakim, ??P14 is gerald 13:58:22 +gerald; got it 13:58:30 zakim, who is here? 13:58:30 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald 13:58:31 On IRC I see tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 13:58:34 CGI624 has joined #xmlsec 13:59:32 http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/Scribe-Instructions.html 14:00:01 help 14:00:05 zakim, CGI624 is gerald 14:00:06 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'CGI624' 14:00:09 magnus has joined #xmlsec 14:00:26 +??P18 14:00:29 csolc has joined #xmlsec 14:00:36 + +1.303.229.aacc 14:00:41 CGI080 has joined #xmlsec 14:00:49 zakim, ??P18 is rdmiller 14:00:49 +rdmiller; got it 14:01:05 Zakim: CGI080 is Gerald 14:01:29 Norm has joined #xmlsec 14:01:33 zakim, CGI080 is Gerald 14:01:33 sorry, CGI080, I do not recognize a party named 'CGI080' 14:01:36 pdatta has joined #xmlsec 14:01:42 jcruella has joined #xmlsec 14:01:54 + +1.650.879.aadd 14:01:56 + +5aaee 14:02:06 zakim, +5aaee is csolc 14:02:14 +csolc; got it 14:02:16 zakim, aadd is magnus 14:02:23 bhill has joined #xmlsec 14:02:29 +magnus; got it 14:02:51 +Norm 14:02:54 +Hal_Lockhart 14:02:59 +??P3 14:03:00 hal has joined #xmlsec 14:03:12 zakim, who is here 14:03:16 CGI080, you need to end that query with '?' 14:03:26 zakim, who is here? 14:03:34 zakim, who is here? 14:03:35 +??P9 14:03:41 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, +1.303.229.aacc, magnus, csolc, Norm, Hal_Lockhart, ??P3, ??P9 14:03:41 zakim, call thomas-skype 14:03:51 zakim, jcruella is myhandle 14:03:54 zakim aacc is bhill 14:03:55 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, +1.303.229.aacc, magnus, csolc, Norm, Hal_Lockhart, ??P3, ??P9 14:03:55 zakim, I am thomas 14:03:58 zakim, mute me 14:04:14 ok, tlr; the call is being made 14:04:16 +Thomas 14:04:19 zakim, mute ??P3 14:04:20 On IRC I see hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, magnus, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 14:04:24 klanz, say something 14:04:27 sorry, jcruella, I do not recognize a party named 'jcruella' 14:04:31 zakim, who is here? 14:04:31 ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas 14:04:35 zakim, ??P3 is klanz 14:04:35 Thomas should now be muted 14:04:50 zakim, ??P3 is gerald 14:04:53 zakim, unmute ??P3 14:04:54 Scribe: Gerald Edgar 14:04:58 ??P3 should now be muted 14:05:04 TOPIC: XProc discussion with Norm Walsh 14:05:06 ScribeNick: CGI080 14:05:06 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, +1.303.229.aacc, magnus, csolc, Norm, Hal_Lockhart, ??P3 (muted), ??P9, Thomas (muted) 14:05:11 zakim, ??P4 is jcruella 14:05:12 +klanz; got it 14:05:20 Zakim, who is here? 14:05:21 I already had ??P3 as klanz, tlr 14:05:23 sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P3 14:05:33 +[Oracle] 14:05:37 On IRC I see hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, magnus, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 14:05:43 I already had ??P4 as Norm, jcruella 14:05:46 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, +1.303.229.aacc, magnus, csolc, Norm, Hal_Lockhart, klanz (muted), ??P9, Thomas (muted), [Oracle] 14:05:52 Norm Walsh - XML processing group 14:05:52 zakim, Oracle is pdatta 14:06:00 On IRC I see hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, magnus, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 14:06:03 +pdatta; got it 14:06:25 bal has joined #xmlsec 14:07:02 + +1.206.726.aaff 14:07:02 what is the impliucation of XML processing on encryption. 14:07:56 xml processing there were aspects of security, but that was taken out. the recognition of the need was the propt to contact this (the XMLSEC) gorup. 14:08:33 with XML processing, there are various operations in various orders. 14:08:45 http://www.w3.org/TR/xproc/ 14:10:12 the goal is ot produce a language that enables people to define a sequences of preocesses. composing processes from other proccesses. 14:10:36 zakim, aacc is bhill 14:10:36 +bhill; got it 14:11:30 there are various steps available 14:11:54 -Thomas 14:11:57 (examples of steps given) 14:11:59 zakim, call thomas-skype 14:11:59 ok, tlr; the call is being made 14:12:01 +Thomas 14:12:02 zakim, I am thomas 14:12:02 ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas 14:12:17 Zakim, I am Gerald 14:12:17 ok, CGI080, I now associate you with gerald 14:12:39 http://www.w3.org/TR/xproc/#c.compare 14:12:54 zakim, ??P9 is jcruella 14:12:54 +jcruella; got it 14:13:01 (discussion on parallel operations) 14:13:04 +[Microsoft] 14:14:33 a reference process model for xml signatures, to process a document , this is perhaps similar to an xproc pipeline. 14:15:40 kyiu has joined #xmlsec 14:15:56 zakim, who is here? 14:15:56 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, bhill, magnus, csolc, Norm, Hal_Lockhart, klanz (muted), jcruella, Thomas, pdatta, bal (muted), [Microsoft] 14:15:59 On IRC I see kyiu, bal, hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, magnus, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 14:16:10 (discussion on transformation and processing) 14:17:03 XMLDSig Transfroms chains defines that Inputs and outputs are either, node-set data or octet streams, beside that interoperability is the limit and that's a rather hard limit ... 14:18:14 Xproc has an extensability model. example of RDF where they can define the required steps 14:19:01 a security extention defining the steps for security could be done 14:19:46 2 kinds of steps - atomic e.g. XSLT and compound, consistanting of other steps. 14:20:19 enquption and decryption could be deinfed as compound steps. 14:20:35 s/enquption/encryption/ 14:21:14 the XPROC courl at first saw security as atomic steps, but perhaps they were more complex 14:21:28 s/courl/group/ 14:22:19 is it that people adopting xproc would have to redo their processes? 14:23:38 Is there open-source available? 14:23:39 q? 14:23:50 yes - e.g. "calabash" 14:23:57 http://xmlcalabash.com/ 14:24:10 they are attempting to make this "steamable" 14:24:50 there is no requirement for streamable. but a lot of the steps can steam. 14:24:52 zakim, who is muted? 14:24:52 I see klanz, bal muted 14:24:56 zakim, mute me 14:24:56 Thomas should now be muted 14:25:00 Xpath as a performance issue. 14:25:34 there is flexability to use XPath 1 or XPath 2 14:26:27 most of the actions people use can use xpath 1 or xpath 2 14:26:31 q+ 14:26:43 ack klanz 14:27:12 is there a requirement for fidelity or "rountripping" mode? 14:27:23 what flows in the pipeline are infosets. 14:27:41 rather than a sequence of byes. 14:27:52 s/byes/bytes/ 14:28:10 norm notes c14n would be serialization step, end of pipeline 14:28:32 the only step requiring the input and the out being the same is the identity step. 14:29:26 norm notes implementation defined what done with document before handed to piipeline 14:29:56 schma validation is a step that might be done before handing the infoset to the pipeline. 14:30:40 norm notes XPath serialization 14:31:15 all the steps have serialization options. 14:32:44 providing security steps to XProc will also entail specifying the required security options 14:33:12 what is the difficulty for programmers to use this? 14:33:18 Just, FYI ... 14:33:18 ... then the additional serialization parameters MAY affect 14:33:18 the output of the serializer to the extent (but only to the extent) 14:33:18 that this specification leaves the output implementation-defined or 14:33:18 implementation-dependent. ... 14:33:30 from our last minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0065.html 14:33:33 will people learn to glue the primatives together? 14:34:26 to use a pipeline rather than using a library. to make this as easy as an XSLT sylesheet 14:34:57 the goal is to specify a standard XProc pipeline 14:37:50 q+ 14:38:10 [norm] his view is that security is composed of compud steps. 14:38:28 s/compud/compund/ 14:38:40 norm notes may want compound step plus primatives 14:38:42 ack klanz 14:38:48 q+ 14:38:58 [Konrad] is there a notion of payload? 14:40:34 norm notes, no protection from inherited namespace 14:40:44 Norm: there is a notion of a payload - such as in an enclosed document 14:41:47 Norm: there is work to define the security steps. 14:42:31 Norm: he is willing to work with us on defining the steps. 14:42:40 q? 14:42:43 q? 14:42:45 ack hal 14:43:14 Hal: a notion of sending Xproc with a document. 14:43:20 XProc is Code, good point Hal ... 14:43:27 Norm: this is posable, 14:43:42 Hal: this is a potential security hole. 14:43:42 norm notes security in 2.12, can send xproc with data 14:44:20 Norm: there is not a notion of signing an XProc 14:45:02 norm notes have tried to keep core as small number of steps, 31, spec notes how to connect them 14:45:04 Norm: they tried to minimize the basic steps (to 31) 14:45:05 q? 14:45:41 Norm: defining security in terms of Xproc, he does not see a problem wiht that. 14:45:59 s/wiht/with/ 14:46:51 Norm: to define security - it is reasonable to use signed xproc. the pipeline is an XML document, it too can be signed. 14:48:10 Norm: if we define security within XProc, he thinks this would be accepted. 14:48:11 +1 on additional time at F2F with Norm 14:48:47 fjh: this would be a good idea to meet with XProc. Perhaps an hour to talk of this. 14:50:06 -[Microsoft] 14:50:06 Action: fjh to sceduale time with XProc group for security 14:50:06 Created ACTION-75 - Sceduale time with XProc group for security [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-10-14]. 14:50:07 -Norm 14:50:27 +[Microsoft] 14:50:56 TOPIC: meeting planning 14:51:21 fjh: no meeting next week 14:51:37 review the agenda for the F2F 14:51:41 draft f2f agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0067.html 14:52:12 http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html 14:52:20 fjh: do we need to cancel any meetings? 14:52:58 zakim, unmute me 14:52:58 Thomas should no longer be muted 14:53:00 meet after the F2F? on the 4th, and 11th. Cancel the 25th of November. (thanksgiving in the US) 14:53:33 fjh: propose to cancel the 25 14:53:47 resolution, Cancel the meeting on the 25th of November 14:54:01 my regrets for both of these 14:55:22 tlr: we will have 8 calls before year-end to get the deliverables out. 14:55:28 s/tlr/fjh/ 14:56:03 resolution: Cancel the meetings on the 25th November 14:56:17 RESOLUTION: Cancel the meetings on the 25th November 14:56:35 RESOLUTION: Cancel the meetings on the 30th of December 2008. 14:56:52 Apologies, but I need to leave for another call now. 14:56:57 TOPIC: Minutes Approval 14:57:06 -magnus 14:57:12 tlr: minor changes, 14:57:18 s/tlr/fjh/ 14:57:35 RESOLUTION: the minutes form the 23rd of September are approved. 14:57:48 Topic: Liason 14:58:21 fjh: meetings firmed up at the face to face 14:58:55 There are pointers to materials in the agenda. 14:59:08 webapps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0076.html 15:00:00 Pratik: xpath working group. 15:00:04 Michael Kay was with XSL 15:00:11 s/was/is/ 15:01:34 tlr: face to face planning. we need to have an adea of what we want to do 15:01:47 s/tlr/fjh/ 15:01:47 TOPIC: meeting planning 15:02:13 we meet in January, the next might be in May. 15:02:46 2-6 November, Santa Clara 15:02:52 The next Plenery is November 2-6 November 15:03:37 May should be OK 15:03:45 UPC could host if you want 15:03:53 may is good for me too. 15:05:05 it is not possable for me to know if I will be able to travel to europe next year 15:05:45 meeting at the plenery - one more meeting to plan. 15:06:02 zakim, mute me 15:06:04 Thomas should now be muted 15:06:08 Santa CLara in January, 15:06:14 TOPIC: Best practices 15:06:35 tlr: the document has been edited. 15:06:48 s/anta CLara in January,/Redwood City in January, Santa Clara in November/ 15:06:53 s/tlr:/fjh:/ 15:07:05 zakim, who is here? 15:07:05 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, bhill, csolc, Hal_Lockhart, klanz, jcruella, Thomas (muted), pdatta, bal (muted), [Microsoft] 15:07:09 On IRC I see kyiu, bal, hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 15:08:20 proposal 1 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0068.html 15:09:04 Review this to address issue 55 to change "should" to "it is recommended" 15:09:10 zakim, unmute me 15:09:10 bal should no longer be muted 15:09:39 there is a need to review the document carefully. 15:09:47 +q 15:10:19 tlr: to review and approve the document so we can publish it. 15:10:20 ack jcruella 15:10:26 s/tlr/fjh/ 15:10:41 ... sorry.. 15:13:51 RESOLUTION: The proposal for Issue-55 is accepted 15:13:52 Not here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec/2008Oct/ and not here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/ 15:13:52 JCC: maybe post again your comments to the list ... 15:14:57 proposal 2 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0069.html 15:15:12 FJH: issue -53 to reword the best practice - proposal 2 15:15:30 I had sent the message to another list...apologies.. I have now sent the message to the public list. 15:15:59 This would close Action 72 15:16:27 proposal 3 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0070.html 15:16:37 RESOLUTION: to accept the proposal for issue-55 15:16:54 RESOLUTION: to accept the proposal for issue-53 15:17:49 (sorry, i have to drop for a couple minutes, back shortly...) 15:17:55 -bal 15:18:00 (discussion on table of contents) 15:19:11 fjh: accept the proposal to update the titles 15:19:13 -jcruella 15:19:36 proposal 4 - ISSUE-56 Add references for timestamping proposal 15:19:39 RESOLUTION: To accept the proposal to update the titles of the sections 15:19:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0071.html 15:20:03 sorry... was dropped of the call....call back in few seconds 15:21:09 xades 15:21:15 +bal 15:21:40 fjh: To add the references to xades in the best practices 15:22:08 +??P27 15:22:13 RESOLUTION: To add the references to xades in the best practices 15:22:20 zakim, ??P27 is jcruella 15:22:20 +jcruella; got it 15:22:20 proposal 5 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0008.html 15:22:31 ACTION-70? 15:22:31 ACTION-70 -- Thomas Roessler to propose disclaimer for SOTD -- due 2008-09-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:22:31 http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/70 15:22:35 zakim, who is here? 15:22:35 On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, smullan, gerald, rdmiller, bhill, csolc, Hal_Lockhart, klanz, Thomas (muted), pdatta, [Microsoft], bal (muted), jcruella 15:22:39 On IRC I see kyiu, bal, hal, bhill, jcruella, pdatta, Norm, CGI080, csolc, tlr, smullan, brich, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, klanz2, trackbot 15:22:39 zakim, unmute me 15:22:39 Thomas should no longer be muted 15:23:42 zakim, mute me 15:23:42 Thomas should now be muted 15:23:56 "XAdES_v1.3.2" "http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=21353" XML Advanced Electronic Signatures (XAdES). ETSI TS 101 903 V1.3.2 (2006-03) -> Talks about Timestamps for long term signatures ... 15:24:00 Thomas: The wording that should be that the best practices are not normative. It is not a recommmendation. 15:24:22 ACTION-70 closed 15:24:23 ACTION-70 Propose disclaimer for SOTD closed 15:25:03 RESoLUTION: Accept the proposal from Action-70 from Thomas 15:25:17 RESOLUTION: Accept the proposal from Action-70 from Thomas 15:25:18 XAdES: the reference should include the complete title... could you put an action on me for providing it? 15:26:08 additional item from Bruce - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0012.html 15:26:40 ACTION: jcruella to provide the complete title of XAdES for the best practices reference 15:26:41 Created ACTION-76 - Provide the complete title of XAdES for the best practices reference [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-10-14]. 15:26:48 Norm has left #xmlsec 15:27:48 pratik notes that example was deliberate 15:29:13 Pratik: to address "E2" to update the document and accept changes raised in terms of the corrections 15:29:46 RESOLUTION: to accept the corrections from Bruce 15:30:24 RESOLUTION: TO accept changes raised in terms of the corrections. 15:30:50 back 15:32:27 ACTION: Thomas to deal with the titling 15:32:27 Created ACTION-77 - Deal with the titling [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-10-14]. 15:33:46 action-77? 15:33:46 ACTION-77 -- Thomas Roessler to deal with the titling -- due 2008-10-14 -- OPEN 15:33:46 http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/77 15:33:51 ACTION: Pratik will add the time stamp reference to the best practices 15:33:51 Created ACTION-78 - Will add the time stamp reference to the best practices [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-10-14]. 15:35:09 ACTION: fjh to address Action-53, Action-55 and action-70 15:35:09 Created ACTION-79 - Address Action-53, Action-55 and action-70 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-10-14]. 15:35:51 jcruella has joined #xmlsec 15:36:35 zakim, who is making noise? 15:36:45 fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jcruella (76%), pdatta (28%) 15:36:54 jcc notes best practice 1 and 3 15:37:06 Juan Carlos: Best practice 1 and 3 to subsitiute terms 15:37:25 s/subsitiute/substitute/ 15:37:38 Best Practice 1: Mitigate denial of service attacks by executing potentially dangerous operations only after authenticating the signature. 15:38:01 jcc notes text talks about building trust 15:38:06 Best Practice 3: Establish trust in the verification/validation key. 15:38:08 jcruella: a need to extablish trust 15:38:24 jcc notes duplication 15:38:54 jcc suggestion changing title of bp #1 only after estabishing trust in the key 15:39:06 Best Practice 1: Mitigate denial of service attacks by executing potentially dangerous operations only after establishing trust in the verification/validation key 15:39:19 and eliminate best practice 3. 15:40:24 Step 1 fetch the verification key and establish trust in that key 15:40:39 fjh: edit the document that we can look at a complete draft rather than scattered proposals and fragments. 15:40:43 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/ 15:43:09 TOPIC: Web App 15:43:10 WebApps SHA-1 Algorithm 15:43:22 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Sep/0077.html 15:43:51 take a look at the message on the mailing list - profiling on SHA-1 15:44:07 Topic: V.Next 15:44:19 TOPIC: V.Next 15:44:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0000.html 15:44:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0000.html 15:44:46 rovide proposal on list regarding transform primitives 15:45:28 konrad suggests having simple transforms that can be implemented in parallel 15:46:06 konrad suggests they be idempotent 15:46:19 Konrad: a collection of simple transforms potentially to be executred in parrallel 15:47:52 is this like steps in xproc? no, there are differences. 15:48:46 Konrad:L XPROC is much powerful than we need for signatures 15:49:32 Konrad: he is seeking simplification 15:49:55 TOPIC: Conicalization Errata 15:49:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0003.html 15:50:18 ack thomas 15:51:33 what happens if an XML docuemnt incloudes a references to an XML name space and its effects on cononicalization 15:52:28 zakim, mute me 15:52:28 Thomas should now be muted 15:52:35 zakim, unmute me 15:52:35 Thomas should no longer be muted 15:53:38 Konrad: problems with a data model underneath c14n with xpath 15:54:02 Hoylen 15:54:07 ACTION: konrad to propose answer to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0003.html 15:54:07 Created ACTION-80 - Propose answer to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0003.html [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-10-14]. 15:54:30 ACTION: klanz2 to provide an answer from hoylen 15:54:31 Created ACTION-81 - Provide an answer from hoylen [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-10-14]. 15:54:42 topic: Actions pending review 15:54:43 TOPIC: Pending actions 15:55:30 RESOLUTION: that all pending actions are close 15:55:53 ACTION-4 closed 15:55:53 ACTION-4 Arrange joint F2F meetings closed 15:55:55 ACTION-19 closed 15:55:55 ACTION-19 Evaluate Issues and Actions for appropriate placement closed 15:55:56 http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-c14n.html#ProcessingModel 15:55:56