IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-10-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/03-wai-wcag-irc
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- meeting: WCAG Face to Face Day 3
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- chair: Gregg Vanderheiden, Loretta Guarino Reid
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- agenda: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2008/10/ftf-meeting#Friday
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- scribe: Sofia
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- TOPIC: Accessibility Support of Special Characters
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- present: Gregg Vanderheiden, Michael Cooper, Ben Caldwell, Katie Haritos-Shea, Sofia Celic, Alex Li, Andi Snow-Weaver, David MacDonald, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Loretta Guarino Reid
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- ACTION: David to explore screen reader and synthesizer combinations to see which ones will support common glyphs etc
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- TOPIC: Accessibility Support for Human Language of Content
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- If a page cannot conform because AT is not available for the language on the page, but the page would conform if AT that supported the language support existed, then a "Statement of Partial Conformance due to Language" can be made stating "The page does not conform but would conform to WCAG 2.0 if AT were available in the language of the page's content.
- 14:37:41 [greggvanderheiden]
- If a page cannot conform because AT is not available for the language on the page, but the page would conform if AT that supported the language existed, then a "Statement of Partial Conformance due to Language" can be made stating "The page does not conform but would conform to WCAG 2.0 if AT were available in the language of the page's content.
- 14:38:00 [greggvanderheiden]
- If a page cannot conform because AT is not available for the language on the page, but the page would conform if AT existed that supported the language, then a "Statement of Partial Conformance due to Language" can be made stating "The page does not conform but would conform to WCAG 2.0 if AT were available in the language of the page's content.
- 14:38:53 [Loretta]
- A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, that the page does not conform, but could conform if AT supported all theh language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if AT existed to support the languages X, Y, and X>
- 14:39:56 [greggvanderheiden]
- A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, when the page does not conform, but would conform if AT existed that supported all the language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if AT existed to support the languages X, Y, and X>
- 14:40:49 [greggvanderheiden]
- A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, when the page does not conform, but would conform if AT existed that supported all the language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if AT existed to support the language(s) A,( B, and C).
- 14:43:20 [greggvanderheiden]
- A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, when the page does not conform, but would conform if Assistive Technologies existed that supported (all) the language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if AT existed to support the following language(s):
- 14:49:30 [greggvanderheiden]
- A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, when the page does not conform, but would conform if accessibility support existed for (all) the language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if accessibility support existed for following language(s):
- 14:52:53 [Sofia]
- RESOLUTION: Add a Partial Conformance - language provision to WCAG 2.0 as follows: A "statement of partial conformance due to language" may be made, when the page does not conform, but would conform if accessibility support existed for (all) the language(s) used on the page. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if accessibility support existed for the following language(s):
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- TOPIC: Decorative Images and null Alt Text
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2008/10/03-wai-wcag-irc#T15-01-48
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- q?
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- q+ awk
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- q- awk
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- RESOLUTION: add a failure to 2.4.4 "failure of 2.4.4 for using null alt on link that has an image only"
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- ACTION: Loretta to write failure technique regarding null alt on link that has an image only
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- TOPIC: Background Images
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- ACTION: Sofia to collect the failure techniques that apply to CSS and consider in light of "relied upon"
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- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_a_text_alternative_on_one_item_within_a_group_of_images_that_describes_all_items_in_the_group
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- TOPIC: New technique - Using a text alternative on one item within a group of images that describes all items in the group
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- RESOLUTION: accepted technique "Using a text alternative on one item within a group of images that describes all items in the group"
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- TOPIC: Programmatically associating a text transcript with audio- or video-only content
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- programmatically associated text that is used in place of non-text content, or text that is used in addition to non-text content and referred to from the programmatically associated text. Programmatically associated text is text whose location can be programmatically determined from the non-text content.
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- text that is programmatically associated with non-text content or referred to from text that is programmatically associated with non-text content. Programmatically associated text is text whose location can be programatically determined from the non-text content.
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- full text alternative for timed media including any interaction
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- document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of all visual settings, actions, speakers, and non-speech sounds, and transcript of all dialogue combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
- 18:20:33 [greggvanderheiden]
- Note: A screenplay used to create the synchronized media content would meet this definition only if it was corrected to accurately represent the final synchronized media after editing.
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- RESOLUTION: change definition for Text Alternative to "text that is programmatically associated with non-text content or referred to from text that is programmatically associated with non-text content. Programmatically associated text is text whose location can be programatically determined from the non-text content."
- 18:22:52 [greggvanderheiden]
- full text alternative for timed media document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of all visual settings, actions, speakers, and non-speech sounds, and transcript of all dialogue combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the timed media
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- Note: A screenplay used to create the synchronized media content would meet this definition only if it was corrected to accurately represent the final synchronized media after editing.
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- full text alternative for timed media
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- document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of time based visual and auditory information and providing a means for achieving the outcomes of any time-based interaction.
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- Note: A screenplay used to create the synchronized media content would meet this definition only if it was corrected to accurately represent the final synchronized media after editing.
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- not necessarily a document
- 18:41:35 [Sofia]
- change Text Alternative in 1.2.1 and 1.2.9 to "alternative for time based media"
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- RESOLUTION: change Text Alternative in 1.2.1 and 1.2.9 to "alternative for time based media"
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- RESOLUTION: definition of Alternative for Time Based Media is "document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of time based visual and auditory information and providing a means for achieving the outcomes of any time-based interaction. Note: A screenplay used to create the synchronized media content would meet this definition only if it was corrected to accurately represent the final synchronized media after editing."
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- s/Time Based/Time-based
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- RESOLUTION: in 1.2.3 and 1.2.8, replace "full text alternative for synchronized media including any interaction" with alternative Time-based Media
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- RESOLUTION: in 1.2.3 and 1.2.8, change SC short names (handles) from full text alternative to media alternative
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- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=CR_Punch_List
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