IRC log of html-wg on 2008-10-02

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be HTML
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ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
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Date: 02 October 2008
15:55:39 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
15:55:39 [Zakim]
ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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+Mike
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+smedero
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+ +49.251.2.aaaa
15:56:57 [Julian]
Zakim, +49.251.2.aaaa is me
15:56:57 [Zakim]
+Julian; got it
15:57:33 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:57:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian
15:58:29 [MikeSmith]
aaronlev: any chance you can call into today's telcon? to talk about ARIA stuff?
15:59:24 [Zakim]
+jcraig
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:59:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, jcraig
15:59:55 [dsinger]
jcraig is really [Apple]
16:00:02 [dsinger]
Zakim, jcraig is really [Apple]
16:00:02 [Zakim]
+[Apple]; got it
16:00:15 [dsinger]
zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:15 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple]
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+DanC
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-DanC
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+DanC
16:00:59 [smedero]
hsivonen is another good person to have around for an ARIA discussion...
16:01:54 [Zakim]
+ +1.206.369.aabb
16:02:10 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC (muted), +1.206.369.aabb
16:02:18 [CWilso]
zakim, +1.206.369.aabb is me'
16:02:18 [Zakim]
+me'; got it
16:02:20 [CWilso]
zakim, +1.206.369.aabb is me
16:02:20 [Zakim]
sorry, CWilso, I do not recognize a party named '+1.206.369.aabb'
16:02:22 [CWilso]
grr.
16:02:30 [CWilso]
zakim, me' is me
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+CWilso; got it
16:02:35 [MikeSmith]
heh
16:02:36 [Zakim]
-CWilso
16:02:48 [Zakim]
+ +1.218.340.aacc
16:03:00 [CWilso]
and then I got so excited I hung up. Sigh
16:03:06 [smedero]
lol
16:03:25 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, aacc is Laura
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+Laura; got it
16:04:17 [anne]
Zakim, passcode?
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the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
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+CWilso
16:05:05 [MikeSmith]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008OctDec/0000.html
16:05:06 [pimpbot]
Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2008-10-02 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-10-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
16:05:18 [Zakim]
+??P21
16:05:34 [anne]
Zakim, ??P21 is me
16:05:34 [Zakim]
+anne; got it
16:07:18 [Zakim]
+[Oracle]
16:08:28 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, pick a scribe
16:08:28 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Oracle]
16:08:33 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, pick a scribe
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose CWilso
16:08:36 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, pick a scribe
16:08:36 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Apple]
16:09:31 [MikeSmith]
scribe: MikeSmith
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scribenick: MikeSmith
16:10:20 [MikeSmith]
hsivonen: any chance you can call in?
16:12:57 [MikeSmith]
Topic: f2f agenda
16:13:47 [MikeSmith]
Nikunj: [comments in general support of unconferencey stuff]
16:15:23 [Zakim]
-anne
16:16:32 [Julian]
MikeSmith: wants to use the F2F to make progress on test cases
16:16:47 [Julian]
MikeSmith: proposes joint meeting with TAG
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Zakim, +[Oracle] is Nikunj
16:17:34 [Zakim]
sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+[Oracle]'
16:18:07 [MikeSmith]
MikeSmith: first part of the morning on Thursday will be a joint f2f discussion with the TAG
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16:18:27 [Julian]
Joint meeting with TAG would be great
16:18:48 [smedero]
An agenda would be good...
16:19:04 [smedero]
as I believe TAG has a number of issues with HTML 5... not sure we can cover them all in a morning session.
16:19:23 [MikeSmith]
- Treatment of URLs in the HTML5 specification
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- Content-type determination
16:19:44 [Julian]
q+
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q-
16:20:37 [MikeSmith]
also possibly:
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- Embedding of HTML in other languages
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- Modularity of the HTML 5 spec
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- Modularity of spec (wrt other W3C and IETF specs)
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MikeSmith: explains W3C process with respect to advancing the spec and resolving issues with the TAG and the Director
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- relation to XHTML
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?
16:25:45 [Zakim]
+??P6
16:25:49 [anne]
Zakim, ??P6 is me
16:25:49 [Zakim]
+anne; got it
16:25:51 [anne]
Zakim, mute me
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anne should now be muted
16:26:05 [Laura]
PFWG F2F topics of potential interest:
16:26:06 [Laura]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0512.html
16:26:07 [pimpbot]
Title: minor tweak to FYI PFWG F2F topics of potential interest from Al Gilman on 2008-09-30 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
16:26:15 [Laura]
Al specifically asked to discuss tables with PF at the F2F:
16:26:15 [Laura]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0362.html
16:26:17 [pimpbot]
Title: function and impacts (was: scope and headers reform) from Al Gilman on 2008-09-14 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
16:30:21 [Julian]
MikeSmith: desire of authors to use ARIA as currently implemented with HTML4 and validate it
16:31:51 [Julian]
MikeSmith: Henri's validator.nu already does it for HTML5 (using RelaxNG+Java)
16:32:16 [Julian]
MikeSmith: some people want DTD-based validation though
16:32:46 [Julian]
MikeSmith: also more work needs to be done to describe precise semantics of ARIA in HTML
16:33:20 [MikeSmith]
q?
16:33:23 [Laura]
The idea of a extension or bookmarklet for ARIA seems good.
16:33:29 [Laura]
Henri's suggestion of serializing the DOM and sending it to an external service could work equally as well. But it doesn't have to be his service.
16:33:35 [Laura]
The Web Developer extension in Firefox has an option to validate the local HTML, and that works by sending the generated source to the validator, which is the same idea.
16:37:26 [MikeSmith]
q?
16:40:30 [MikeSmith]
Topic: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
16:40:33 [pimpbot]
Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Issue Tracking - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:41:33 [Laura]
Chris: Last week for action 72 @headers, you mentioned that you would "follow this up. Get the issues into the wiki and continue discussion until there is a consensus. If opinion is very entrenched then we will have a poll."
16:41:33 [Laura]
http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20080925#l-347
16:41:35 [pimpbot]
Title: IRC logs: w3c / #html-wg / 20080925 (at krijnhoetmer.nl)
16:41:42 [Laura]
The Wiki has been updated to try to cover all perspectives.
16:41:42 [Laura]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
16:41:42 [Laura]
I also invited James and Henri's input.
16:41:42 [Laura]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0506.html
16:41:44 [pimpbot]
Title: HTML/IssueTableHeaders - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
16:41:46 [pimpbot]
Title: Re: headers Wiki page from Laura Carlson on 2008-09-30 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
16:42:24 [MikeSmith]
anybody have comments or question about open actions/issues in the Tracker dashboard page at the URL above?
16:42:37 [smedero]
Laura, is that poll mention in http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/76 ?
16:42:38 [pimpbot]
Title: ACTION-76 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:43:16 [smedero]
ahh, that's the @summary..
16:43:18 [Laura]
Al asked discuss tables at the F2F
16:43:18 [Laura]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0362.html
16:43:19 [pimpbot]
Title: function and impacts (was: scope and headers reform) from Al Gilman on 2008-09-14 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
16:43:53 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:43:53 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC (muted), Laura, CWilso, [Oracle], anne (muted)
16:45:43 [Nikunj]
Zakim, [Oracle] is me
16:45:43 [Zakim]
+Nikunj; got it
16:46:51 [smedero]
q+ Publishing status?
16:48:57 [MikeSmith]
ack smedero
16:49:07 [Julian]
q+
16:49:34 [smedero]
SM: I remember the Sept. publishing goal was pushed back ... and I think we're now in the publishing moratorium?
16:49:36 [Zakim]
-CWilso
16:51:32 [anne]
MS: There are ongoing internal discussions that haven't been resolved yet
16:51:48 [anne]
MS: We're not going to publish before TPAC
16:52:12 [anne]
s/publish/publish the HTML5 draft/
16:52:33 [anne]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-html-wg-minutes.html anne
16:52:35 [Laura]
regrets+ Joshue
16:52:47 [anne]
RRSAgent, make logs public
16:53:00 [Laura]
regrets+ Cynthia
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-DanC
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-Nikunj
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-smedero
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-Julian
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-[Apple]
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[adjourned]
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-Laura
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-anne
16:53:45 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, drop Mike
16:53:45 [Zakim]
Mike is being disconnected
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HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC, CWilso, +1.218.340.aacc, Laura, anne, Nikunj
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