IRC log of bpwg on 2008-10-02

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 02 October 2008

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Chair: Jo

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0000.html

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started

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+??P14

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zakim, ??P14 is jeffs

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+jeffs; got it

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+aconnors

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-jeffs

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+jeffs

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+ +0121707aaaa

14:01:03 [jo]

Regrets: Heiko, Yeliz, Manrique, SeanP, Sangwhan, Rob, DKA, Francois(partial)

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rrsagent, make logs public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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+Bryan_Sullivan

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nick aconnors

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zakim, who is on the call?

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On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, +0121707aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan

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+??P29

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zakim, ??p29 is me

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+jo; got it

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zakim, aaaa is bruce

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+bruce; got it

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+[W3C-Spain]

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zakim, who is here

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jo, you need to end that query with '?'

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, bruce, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, [W3C-Spain]

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On IRC I see miguel, Bryan, DKA, jeffs, aconnors, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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zakim, W3C-Spain holds miguel

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+miguel; got it

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, bruce, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, [W3C-Spain]

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[W3C-Spain] has miguel

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On IRC I see miguel, Bryan, DKA, jeffs, aconnors, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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scribe: jeffs

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Agenda Item !: Introductions

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Topic: Introductions

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Bruce from Opera

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s/Agenda Item !: Introductions//

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bruce interested in accessibility

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+??P39

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Topic: Task Forces Reports

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zakim, ??P39 is me

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+achuter; got it

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Korea Task Force: no one present

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Checker Task Force: will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then

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Chairs awaiting feedback from another group

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action: jo to chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic

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Created ACTION-856 - Chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-10-09].

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Topic: Updates

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Topic: Updates

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Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today

14:16:14 [jo]

-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/WAI-Mobile-Experiences/results Poll

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responses currently positive, awaiting more results

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note that all responses to the poll were positive with requests for minor corrections, Yeliz sent update today, we will review next week

14:18:21 [achuter]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20081002/

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Alan on new editor's draft for accessibility

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main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile

14:19:19 [achuter]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/changelog.html#version_20081002

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2nd change re Education and Outreach group

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20081002/#together

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request for clarification: section on what to do if trying to accomplish both Mobile Best Practices and WCAG at the same time

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s/request/Alan: /

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s/Alan:/Alan: request/

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Alan: wants feedback from this group

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Jo: thinks would be useful to put in more specifics

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scribe: jo

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jeffs: has a group meeting on accessibility issue and how to implement stuff, doesn't want to step on WCAG toes needs to have a conversation with someone, and concerns about overlapping grousp, will try to get someone from NTIFD to join WCAG - Jeff's group will continue working with someone coming in on Thursday and generally think this is an interesting problem anyway

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... trying to find a more permanent person on WCAG anyway

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s/NTIFD/NTID

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scribe: jeffs

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achuter: encouraging getting someone from NTID to join WCAG

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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scribe: jo

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alan: have the people involved read the overlap doc

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jeffs: 3 people from IT dept and 1 from NTID went through current documents about how they were going to approach it, dense set of requirements needs addressing in a cherent way

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... want to look for concrete approaches for developers with concrete example code

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... mostly have expertise on deafness, but are bringing in other experts in different disability areas to talk

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alan: so we should not hang on for input in the immediate term

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jeffs: we would be happy if what we produce is published as an appendix etc.

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scribe: jeffs

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alan: so we should not wait for a new PWD?

14:28:28 [jeffs]

jeffs: do not wait

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jeffs: no, but the doc wiull be better later with more concrete examples

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Jo: any other views on this?

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ISSUE: WHat are we going to do about the overlap section in the accessibility doc? Scrap it?

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Created ISSUE-282 - WHat are we going to do about the overlap section in the accessibility doc? Scrap it? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282/edit .

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s/WHat/What

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Jo: asks Alan to begin this discussion on the mailing list

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ACTION: chuter to initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap)

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Created ACTION-857 - Initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) [on Alan Chuter - due 2008-10-09].

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Topic: BP 1.5

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Topic: BP 1.5

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no comments

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Topic: MobileOK Scheme

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Jo: awaiting feedback from Web Security Group on our changes

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Topic: Application Best Bractices

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0090.html Minutes of ABP Editors Meeting

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Jo: discussion of meeting last week

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Alan: all the issues were turned into actions

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Brian: would like to see set of followups before the face-to-face

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s/Brian/Bryan/

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Bryan: submitted additional items for disussion

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s/disussion/discussion

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Bryan: more work to be done, may not have full understanding of Web Applications compatibility issues

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+Francois

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Adam: would like meeting next week to move forward

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discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings

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Jo: need to produce documents by early next week so people have something to read and discuss before face-to-face

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Jo: face-to-face objective - get it ready for next public draft

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Jo: concerns from Bryan and Adam need to be resolved

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Jo: skipping issues-and-actions as not much change since last week

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Topic: Any Other Business

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Jo: face-to-face agenda still being worked on

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+Kai_Dietrich

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Jo: get registered ASAP if you are coming to the TPAC

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Topic: MobileOK Pro

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Kai: document out with a few modifications and test cases

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Kai: removing pass-fail language

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Kai: wants feedback from people

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Kai: no new language in re DDC at this point

14:44:10 [jo]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0001.html Kai's trial version of the new format with only 2 changed to new format for review

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Topic: Any Other Business

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Jo: no other business

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Jo: speaker phone will be available at least part of the time from the face-to-face, please let us know if you need that

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discussion of times for getting maximum attendance

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conclusion is late morning probably

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for abp

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-Kai_Dietrich

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-Bryan_Sullivan

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-bruce

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-jeffs

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-achuter

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-aconnors

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-Francois

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-[W3C-Spain]

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-jo

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were jeffs, aconnors, +0121707aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, bruce, miguel, achuter, Francois, Kai_Dietrich

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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present- +0121707aaaa

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s/Korea Task Force: no one present/Topic: Content Transformation/

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i/Topic: Content Transformation/Topic: Korea Task Force

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s/will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then//

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s/Checker Task Force/Topic: Checker Task Force/

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i/Chairs awaiting feedback from another group/will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then/

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s/Chairs awaiting feedback from another group/Jo: awaiting feedback from WSC WG/

14:53:55 [jo]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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i/Checker Task Force/Jo: Francois not yet on call, skip for now/

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i/Content Transformation/Jo: No one from Korea is here

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s/Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today/Jo: Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today/

14:57:17 [jo]

s/responses currently positive, awaiting more results/Jo: responses currently positive, awaiting more results/

14:57:45 [jo]

s/Alan on new editor's draft for accessibility/Alan: new editor's draft for accessibility

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s/main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile/Alan: main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile

14:58:19 [jo]

s/2nd change re Education and Outreach group/alan: 2nd change re Education and Outreach group

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s/Alan: all the issues were turned into actions/Adan: all the issues were turned into actions

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s/Adan/Adam

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s/discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings/[discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings]

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s/discussion of times for getting maximum attendance/[discussion of best time to have discussion on MWABP as Bryan is in Osaka]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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s/no comments/Jo: Kai sent an example update today, but he's not on call and folks won't have had time to read it

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s/Bruce from Opera/Bruce: from Opera, worked on Device Independence

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s/Topic: Task Forces Reports//

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

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s/Topic: Updates/Topic: Accessibility Docs

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo

15:07:25 [jo]

ok francois, I have had enough of that!

15:07:32 [jo]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: jo to chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-irc#T14-15-24

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ACTION: chuter to initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-irc#T14-30-09