IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-10-01
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- meeting: WCAG Face to Face Day 1
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- agenda: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2008/10/ftf-meeting#Wednesday
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- Hi Katie
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2008/10/ftf-meeting#Wednesday
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- scribe: Katie
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- LGR Exit Critieria
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- Candidates AAA - Feingold, Vision Australia and DO IT (targeted - has issues)
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- Vision Australia more importnat if DO it does not improve
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- AA: Web Accessibility
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- AA: Potential: AT Tutor
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- AA: A Tutor
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- AAA: Feingold YES today
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- A: Mitsui (one site as two) today - table markup question
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- A: Standrad Web today
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- A: Pretty Simple TODAY
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- AOL cannot change: Landing Page - close
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- AOL Web Mail:
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- Is the test of our guidelines - practicality or absolute ?
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- Good Example: Christophe's - Chinese issue
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- Pulling in the United Nations source
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- Demonstarting SC - two of each
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- have holes
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- need examples of those in the wild
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- specifically the places where we are week
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- Action Item: Katie and Sophia - editorial review of techniques
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- Andi will review 3
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- Action Item: Andi will review 3
- 13:21:21 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- update wcag_implementations set canonical_conformance_level = 'aaa' where implementation_id in(6)
- 13:21:26 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
- 13:23:00 [Katie]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080926f2fprep/
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- CR Exit Scorecard
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- Problem updating changed/improved implementations
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- Need to discuss Audio Description later today
- 13:53:19 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080926f2fprep/
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- Items At Risk
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- Criteria at Risk for Change
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- If feedback will revert - no feedback as of yet
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- SC 1.2.1 - Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded)
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- SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternative
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/Overview-diff.html
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- SC 1.2.1 and 1.2.8 - Not going to revert
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- SC 1.4.3 - Contrast (Minimum)
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- RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.1 and 1.2.8 - Not going to revert
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- Back to SC 1.4.3 - Contrast
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- <h1>DO-IT Video Search <sup>BETA</sup></h1> The text "BETA" in the
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- <sup> element on each page fails the luminosity test
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- 4.0:1
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- prettysimple:The colour contrast in the main menu is 1:4.65 with the colours
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- #990000 and #a4bed9. The font-size is bold, but the calculated
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- font-size is 11pt
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- Hauptbahnhof Wien:Insufficient results for red text (e.g. links in the main content
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- are #c00) on light gray background (#e5e5e5 results in 4.7:1)
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- SC 1.4.3 - Contrast - still on
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- Brewer Pallette was used
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- Pallete for choosing map colors
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- http://www.personal.psu.edu/cab38/ColorBrewer/ColorBrewer.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008OctDec/att-0001/Contrast_Comparisons.html
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- http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Default.asp
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- Implementation feeback on contrast failure: i have to investigate why we missed those. maybe a css problem
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- Other implementation feedback: This was an oversight.
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- RESOLUTION: SC 1.4.3 - Contrast (Minimum) - Revised Contrast to 4.5 - PENDING conformation and ACTION ITEM: Gregg to re-do numbers - justification on calulations and make suggestd editorial revisions
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- RESOLUTION: SC 2.2.2 - Pause, Stop, Hide - CHANGE. Delete "lasts more than five seconds" clause in Auto-updating.
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- RESOLUTION: SC 2.2.2 - Pause, Stop, Hide - Retaining the current language as revised.
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/Overview-diff.html#visual-audio-contrast-visual-presentation
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- RESOLUTION: ON CALL - Will review all the resolutions.
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- Criteria at Risk for Change or Becoming Advisory
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- RESOLUTION: 1.4.8 - Visual Presentation - (Level AAA) - Be Retained (Keep it in). No longer at Risk.
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- ACTION ITEM: David - Break 1.4.8 up into 5 seperate SC.
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- Judy Brewer: CR Overview
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- scribe: MichaelC_WCAG
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- rrsagent, do not start a new lo
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'do not start a new lo', MichaelC_WCAG. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- jb: Thanks everyone for getting this far
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- lots of people working very hard
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- Candidate Recommendation status:
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- WCAG different from other specs in that we pre-negotiated exit criteria with Tim Berners-Lee and Steve Bratt
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- because WCAG is different from other specs, in being guidelines
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- didn't want surprises of interpretation at exit interview
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- Loretta has been managing the process of getting us to the exit criteria
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- As expected, there have been some things to gather and re-gather
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- in progress on communicating issues back to implementers
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- looking after "blackbox", "greybox", "whitebox"
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- communication with implementers "lightens" the box, we've tried to keep some sites in blackbox category
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- CR database good for providing data to back up our CR exit readiness claim
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- Tim & Steve no longer involved in CR exit reviews but will be in ours for continuity with the pre-negotiation we had with them
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- If we pass the CR exit review, we will steer towards Proposed Recommendation, but won't know an exact date until that actually happens
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- Shooting for week of October 27 for CR exit review
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- Need to take a look at the At Risk items and see where we're at on those
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- Also need to review any items that we might need to change that weren't in At Risk category, as that's a lot trickier
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- At the PR stage, there is review but it's mostly internal, not soliciting major review from the public
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- Not all Member organizations may comment, but it's helpful if a lot do
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- We ask that WG members ensure their own Member org comments
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- comments will be along the lines of "fine", "ok with changes", "major changes needed", and "complete opposition"
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- these come through the formal Advisory Committee representative
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- if a Member org comment requests major changes, particularly one involved in WCAG WG, it raises a lot of concern
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- so important to coordinate within your organization to reduce risk of this happening
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- The review period for PR is usually 30 days, can be longer
- 15:57:08 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- As document advances towards Recommendation, W3C Communications Team gets involved
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- There would probably be a press release
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- and a testimonials page
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- W3C Member organizations invited to submit testimonials
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- we'll also solicit testimonials from disability community, governments that have been using WCAG, etc.
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- Invited Experts in WCAG WG can also submit
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- We expect significant media interest when WCAG 2.0 comes out
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- Will ensure there is rapid contact with top-tier media outlets
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- WCAG chairs will be invited to participate in this
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- Also helpful to know of other WG members who might be interested in being contacted on certain topics
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- e.g., industry perspective, disability community perspective, etc.
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- We do not pre-announce the date of publication
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- you might hear of some target dates but they aren't official
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- Keep in mind W3C process can cause unexpected changes to date
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- if we're targeting a December publication, and date gets too late in month, we'd move to January because there isn't media pickup around the holidays
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- We had a recent media article say "WCAG 2.0 set for publication in mid December", but it implied a firm date that we don't have
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- We needed to get a correction issued
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- Post Recommendation...
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- After 8.5 years, temptation may be to stop all work
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- But WCAG WG collectively has a lot of knowledge that is crucial to making sure WCAG is used well, and to setting the course for how it is followed up
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- e.g., there are a bunch of techniques remaining to document
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- advisory techniques, some more technologies, etc.
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- so there may be a considerable amount of work to do in that area to make sure people can sit down and implement WCAG
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- Also there's a fair amount of work to do on testing
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- test samples, etc.
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- Education & Outreach WG will need to do stuff as well, will need to coordinate with them
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- There will probably be errata to issue
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- Also, it's a good time to look at things that were put on the wishlist for future versions of WCAG
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- awk: is there a plan for WCAG 3
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- jb: I understand there's a list of issues that have been deferred for future consideration
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- We're looking at an integrated "WAI 3.0" guidelines that roll together content, authoring, browsing
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- so a unified specification
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- though modularized for particular tasks
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- we'd welcome structured reflection from WCAG WG on that
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- gv: One question that came up today was sites that implemented a SC pretty well, but had a problem here and there
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- due to overhead, can't just "tweak" things easily when site published
- 16:09:23 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- can we treat those as "bugs" rather than implementation failures for CR exit purposes?
- 16:09:46 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- jb: Have been taking questions like this to Steve and Tim
- 16:10:07 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- one pattern in their response is that we should try to be scientific and see if we see patterns in these problems
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- e.g., if sites often miss a few things that cause them not to meet a conformance level, what might we want to say in the conformance section to address?
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- such as "certain things really require use of evaluation tools to verify that you have in fact met all the instances"
- 16:11:49 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- regarding impact on CR exit, keep in mind that the CR implementations become part of a public report
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- sites that didn't quite make it might lead to a tricky issue
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- gv: consider a typo, which means word isn't english, which means it needs language markup, which means it fails
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- what do we do about point instances?
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- jb: WG is holding these implementations up as fully conforming
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- W3C and the public would be looking at them
- 16:13:43 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- hard to give yes / no on these examples
- 16:14:22 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- gv: we could fix what we can, indicate that some sites are committed to fixing bugs, as well as note ones that won't be able to fix on a particular timmeline
- 16:14:38 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- we should try not to use ones in that last category unless we absolutely have to
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- s/timmeline/timeline/
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- dmd: one of those sites was to be a partial conformance implementation; we could find others
- 16:15:43 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- jb: I understood Partial Conformance was a major foundational framework
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- Also W3C wanted a diversity of examples
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- a major commercial implementation is of extreme interest
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- so in such a case, going in with a 99% implementation, accompanied by a pristine one, might convince for CR exit
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- lgr: How long do implementations need to remain after Implementation Experience report?
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- jb: There was an agreement with implementers, no?
- 16:18:33 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- lgr: Until end of CR was agreement
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- jb: We might need to grab snapshots of some implementations
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- can work out details offlilne
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- s/offlilne/offline/
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- jb: Accessibility Supported Technologies...
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- gv: Covering tomorrow
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- Uses of technology is what needs to be supported
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- That could be a path to the non-W3C technologies issue
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- if developers can demonstrate accessibility support for those technologies
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- jb: W3C Management does feel that if accessibility support is critical, W3C should host
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- they need requirements
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- Technical, staffing
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- gv: will work that out tomororw
- 16:22:22 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- jb: Non-W3C technologies, my understanding is there exists a proposal that is still under discussion
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- s/tomororw/tomorrow/
- 16:23:09 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- I need to see more about how the Accessibility Support issue might intersect with the non-W3C technologies issue
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- We need to get to a place where the techniques for non-W3C technologies shows up in quickref alongside the current technologies
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- but still concerned about the vetting process
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- seems different from accessibility support
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- These are issues that you can't leave CR without figuring out
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- gv: Whole day tomorrow is focused on that
- 16:25:15 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- Techniques, which are uses of a technology, is an aspect of this
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- If accessibility support information shows that using a technology in a certain way satisfies SC, then we have "techniques" for that technology
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- dmd: We've spent a lot of time on techniques
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- bc: Only worked on them the past few years
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- awk: Much of the techniques work was on General
- 16:29:40 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- <general acclaim> so we should be able to do more techniques easily enough (comparatively)
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- present: Gregg Vanderheiden, Loretta Guarino Reid, Ben Caldwell, Michael Cooper, Katie Haritos-Shea, David MacDonald, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Sofia Celic, Andi Snow-Weaver, Judy Brewer
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- chair: Loretta Guarino Reid
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- scribe
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- scribe: Katie
- 17:31:01 [Loretta]
- http://www.australia.gov.au/Video_-_National_Apology_to_the_Stolen_Generations
- 17:44:36 [Loretta]
- http://www.dignubia.org/galleries/video.php
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- q+
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- ack s
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- q+
- 17:52:07 [Katie]
- Discussion of SC 1.2.7 - Audio Description (Extended)
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- q-
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- is provided when the sense of the video would be lost without the additional audio description
- 18:11:24 [Loretta]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=2651
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- ack a
- 18:49:43 [greggvanderheiden]
- Where the sense of a video would be lost audio description beyond what would fit into existing pauses in dialog, extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 18:52:19 [awk]
- When the sense of a video would be lost unless desriptions are provided and there is insufficient time in the video to provide them, extened audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 18:52:35 [greggvanderheiden]
- Where the pauses in dialog are not sufficient to convey the sense of the video through audio description extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 18:56:09 [Andi]
- Where pauses in dialogue are insufficient to convey the equivalent purpose of the visual information, extended audio descriptions are provided.
- 18:59:36 [awk]
- where gaps between dialog or important sounds are insufficient...
- 19:00:13 [Sofia]
- where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient...
- 19:01:07 [Loretta]
- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey the purpose of the visual information, extended audio ...
- 19:01:32 [greggvanderheiden]
- here pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information, extended audio ...
- 19:04:35 [Ben]
- 1.2.7 <add>Where pauses in dialogue are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:04:43 [greggvanderheiden]
- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important information using audio description alone, extended audio audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:05:09 [greggvanderheiden]
- <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
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- 19:08:44 [greggvanderheiden]
- <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to use audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:09:45 [greggvanderheiden]
- <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:11:37 [greggvanderheiden]
- greggvanderheiden: <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey the sense of the video using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:13:09 [AndiSnow]
- extended audio descriptions are provided where audio descriptions are insufficient to convey the meaning of the video
- 19:13:12 [awk]
- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to contain audio description that conveys the sense of the video, extended...
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- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient, extended AD are provided
- 19:16:09 [greggvanderheiden]
- >Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient for audio descriptions to convey the sense of the videoe,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:18:10 [greggvanderheiden]
- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:19:28 [greggvanderheiden]
- Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:21:37 [Katie]
- RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.7 - Audio Description (Extended)- Retain. Change to....Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
- 19:27:17 [greggvanderheiden]
- http://www.tsgnet.com/pres.php?id=379346&altf=Boej&altl=Topx-Xfbwfs
- 19:33:49 [awk]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=2652
- 19:38:55 [Katie]
- Discussion of SC 1.2.6 - Sign Language
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- RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.6 - Sign Language. Retain as is.
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- Discussion of SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternatives
- 19:54:29 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20080505/#fullmultaltdef
- 19:54:41 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/implementation_list?category=claims&sc_id=media-equiv-text-doc
- 20:02:36 [greggvanderheiden]
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- 20:10:44 [Loretta]
- A full text alternative for synchronized media including any interaction is provided for all prerecorded synchronized media and a text alternative that presents equivalent information is provided for all prerecorded video-only media.
- 20:17:25 [Sofia]
- http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/user/error404/chinese/
- 20:18:11 [Sofia]
- select NCPR resources
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- NPCR
- 20:36:37 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of all visual settings, actions, speakers, non-speech sounds, and dialogue combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
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- 20:37:52 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
- 20:39:36 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the video combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achievable using interaction during the synchronized media
- 20:39:54 [AndiSnow]
- document including correctly sequenced captions, audio descriptions (or extended audio descriptions) combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
- 20:46:25 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the video combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that can be achieved by interacting with the video.
- 20:48:18 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that can be achieved by interacting with the synchronized media.
- 20:49:54 [Loretta]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any synchronized interactions
- 20:50:49 [Sofia]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any equivalent outcomes
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- \hi judy
- 20:51:29 [Ben]
- ... outcomes resulting from interaction with the synchronized media ??
- 20:52:26 [AndiSnow]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions
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- 20:53:07 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of the synchronized media
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- 20:53:36 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- s/Tim & Steve no longer involved in CR exit reviews/Tim & Steve not necessarily involved in CR exit reviews currently/
- 20:53:49 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- s/At the PR stage, there is review but it's mostly internal, not soliciting major review from the public/The Proposed Recommendation is different from all previous document stages in that the review is not by the public, but it is an internal review by W3C Member organizations/
- 20:54:03 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- s/"fine", "ok with changes", "major changes needed", and "complete opposition"/"fine as is," "ok but please consider...," "ok only with this change," or "shouldn't go to Rec."/
- 20:54:12 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- s/if a Member org comment requests major changes, particularly one involved in WCAG WG, it raises a lot of concern/if a Member org that has participated in WCAG WG and approved this to go to PR were to say "ok only with this change," that is considered pretty odd; it's important to get your ducks in a row./
- 20:54:22 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- s/There would probably be a press release/There will definitely be a press release/
- 20:54:28 [greggvanderheiden]
- document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of the synchronized media
- 20:55:07 [MichaelC_WCAG]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC_WCAG
- 20:57:54 [Katie]
- RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternatives - Retain. Change definition of "full text alternative for synchronized media including any interaction" to "document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of the synchronized media"
- 20:58:44 [Katie]
- Discussion of SC 1.2.9 - Live Audio-only
- 21:02:45 [Katie]
- RESOLUTION: SC SC 1.2.9 - Live Audio-only - Retain.
- 21:03:54 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/implementations
- 22:11:09 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC_WCAG
- 22:11:15 [MichaelC_WCAG]
- rrsagent, bye
- 22:11:15 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
- 22:11:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Item to Katie and Sophia - editorial review of techniques [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T13-20-33
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- ACTION: Item to Andi will review 3 [2]
- 22:11:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T13-21-15
- 22:11:16 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: ITEM to David - Break 1.4.8 up into 5 seperate SC. [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T15-20-10