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13:01:56 <MichaelC_WCAG> meeting: WCAG Face to Face Day 1
13:02:55 <MichaelC_WCAG> agenda: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2008/10/ftf-meeting#Wednesday
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13:05:26 <Michael_mibbit> Hi Katie
13:05:39 <greggvanderheiden> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2008/10/ftf-meeting#Wednesday
13:05:44 <Ben> scribe: Katie
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13:06:55 <Katie> LGR Exit Critieria
13:08:28 <Katie> Candidates AAA - Feingold, Vision Australia and DO IT (targeted - has issues)
13:08:54 <Katie> Vision Australia more importnat if DO it does not improve
13:09:12 <Katie> AA: Web Accessibility
13:09:26 <Katie> AA: Potential: AT Tutor
13:09:59 <Katie> AA: A Tutor
13:10:24 <Katie> AAA: Feingold YES today
13:11:28 <Katie> A: Mitsui (one site as two) today - table markup question
13:11:37 <Katie> A: Standrad Web today
13:11:57 <Katie> A: Pretty Simple TODAY
13:14:25 <Katie> AOL cannot change: Landing Page - close
13:15:18 <Katie> AOL Web Mail: 
13:15:57 <Katie> Is the test of our guidelines - practicality or absolute ?
13:16:44 <Katie> Good Example: Christophe's - Chinese issue
13:17:14 <Katie> Pulling in the United Nations source
13:19:00 <Katie> Demonstarting SC - two of each
13:19:04 <Katie> have holes
13:19:21 <Katie> need examples of those in the wild
13:19:33 <Katie> specifically the places where we are week
13:20:33 <Katie> Action Item: Katie and Sophia - editorial review of techniques
13:20:44 <Katie> Andi will review 3
13:21:15 <Katie> Action Item: Andi will review 3
13:21:21 <MichaelC_WCAG> update wcag_implementations set canonical_conformance_level = 'aaa' where implementation_id in(6)
13:21:26 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
13:21:28 <MichaelC_WCAG> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
13:23:00 <Katie> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080926f2fprep/
13:23:53 <Katie> CR Exit Scorecard
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13:26:56 <Katie> Problem updating changed/improved implementations
13:30:04 <Katie> Need to discuss Audio Description later today
13:53:19 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/scorecard
13:53:19 <Katie> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080926f2fprep/
13:53:52 <Katie> Items At Risk
13:55:54 <Katie> Criteria at Risk for Change
13:57:18 <Katie> If feedback will revert - no feedback as of yet
13:58:13 <Katie> SC 1.2.1 - Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded)
13:59:08 <Katie> SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternative
13:59:13 <Ben> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/Overview-diff.html
14:03:50 <Katie> SC 1.2.1 and 1.2.8 - Not going to revert
14:04:15 <Katie> SC 1.4.3 - Contrast (Minimum)
14:04:52 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.1 and 1.2.8 - Not going to revert
14:05:14 <Katie> Back to SC 1.4.3 - Contrast
14:12:42 <Loretta> <h1>DO-IT Video Search <sup>BETA</sup></h1> The text "BETA" in the
14:12:43 <Loretta> <sup> element on each page fails the luminosity test
14:12:56 <Loretta> 4.0:1
14:13:22 <Loretta> prettysimple:The colour contrast in the main menu is 1:4.65 with the colours
14:13:22 <Loretta> #990000 and #a4bed9. The font-size is bold, but the calculated
14:13:22 <Loretta> font-size is 11pt
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14:13:45 <Loretta> Hauptbahnhof Wien:Insufficient results for red text (e.g. links in the main content
14:13:45 <Loretta> are #c00) on light gray background (#e5e5e5 results in 4.7:1)
14:20:16 <Katie> SC 1.4.3 - Contrast - still on
14:23:45 <Katie> Brewer Pallette was used
14:24:03 <Katie> Pallete for choosing map colors
14:24:36 <Sofia> http://www.personal.psu.edu/cab38/ColorBrewer/ColorBrewer.html
14:26:14 <Katie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008OctDec/att-0001/Contrast_Comparisons.html
14:33:03 <Sofia> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Default.asp
14:38:47 <Loretta> Implementation feeback on contrast failure: i have to investigate why we missed those. maybe a css problem 
14:39:40 <Loretta> Other implementation feedback: This was an oversight.
14:51:29 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 1.4.3 - Contrast (Minimum) - Revised Contrast to 4.5 - PENDING conformation and ACTION ITEM: Gregg to re-do numbers - justification on calulations and make suggestd editorial revisions
15:00:07 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 2.2.2 - Pause, Stop, Hide - CHANGE. Delete "lasts more than five seconds" clause in Auto-updating.
15:02:05 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 2.2.2 - Pause, Stop, Hide - Retaining the current language as revised.
15:02:10 <awk> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/Overview-diff.html#visual-audio-contrast-visual-presentation
15:02:16 <Katie> RESOLUTION: ON CALL - Will review all the resolutions.
15:02:40 <Katie> Criteria at Risk for Change or Becoming Advisory
15:20:00 <Katie> RESOLUTION: 1.4.8 - Visual Presentation - (Level AAA) - Be Retained (Keep it in). No longer at Risk.
15:20:10 <Katie> ACTION ITEM: David - Break 1.4.8 up into 5 seperate SC. 
15:44:33 <Katie> Judy Brewer: CR Overview
15:45:19 <MichaelC_WCAG> scribe: MichaelC_WCAG
15:45:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> rrsagent, do not start a new lo
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15:45:42 <MichaelC_WCAG> rrsagent, do not start a new log
15:46:00 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: Thanks everyone for getting this far
15:46:34 <MichaelC_WCAG> lots of people working very hard
15:47:32 <MichaelC_WCAG> Candidate Recommendation status:
15:48:00 <MichaelC_WCAG> WCAG different from other specs in that we pre-negotiated exit criteria with Tim Berners-Lee and Steve Bratt
15:48:09 <MichaelC_WCAG> because WCAG is different from other specs, in being guidelines
15:48:18 <MichaelC_WCAG> didn't want surprises of interpretation at exit interview
15:48:33 <MichaelC_WCAG> Loretta has been managing the process of getting us to the exit criteria
15:48:45 <MichaelC_WCAG> As expected, there have been some things to gather and re-gather
15:49:03 <MichaelC_WCAG> in progress on communicating issues back to implementers
15:49:19 <MichaelC_WCAG> looking after "blackbox", "greybox", "whitebox"
15:50:10 <MichaelC_WCAG> communication with implementers "lightens" the box, we've tried to keep some sites in blackbox category
15:50:53 <MichaelC_WCAG> CR database good for providing data to back up our CR exit readiness claim
15:51:23 <MichaelC_WCAG> Tim & Steve no longer involved in CR exit reviews but will be in ours for continuity with the pre-negotiation we had with them
15:51:52 <MichaelC_WCAG> If we pass the CR exit review, we will steer towards Proposed Recommendation, but won't know an exact date until that actually happens
15:52:01 <MichaelC_WCAG> Shooting for week of October 27 for CR exit review
15:52:20 <MichaelC_WCAG> Need to take a look at the At Risk items and see where we're at on those
15:52:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> Also need to review any items that we might need to change that weren't in At Risk category, as that's a lot trickier
15:53:11 <MichaelC_WCAG> At the PR stage, there is review but it's mostly internal, not soliciting major review from the public
15:53:24 <MichaelC_WCAG> Not all Member organizations may comment, but it's helpful if a lot do
15:53:46 <MichaelC_WCAG> We ask that WG members ensure their own Member org comments
15:54:27 <MichaelC_WCAG> comments will be along the lines of "fine", "ok with changes", "major changes needed", and "complete opposition"
15:54:38 <MichaelC_WCAG> these come through the formal Advisory Committee representative
15:55:46 <MichaelC_WCAG> if a Member org comment requests major changes, particularly one involved in WCAG WG, it raises a lot of concern
15:56:01 <MichaelC_WCAG> so important to coordinate within your organization to reduce risk of this happening
15:56:25 <MichaelC_WCAG> The review period for PR is usually 30 days, can be longer
15:57:08 <MichaelC_WCAG> As document advances towards Recommendation, W3C Communications Team gets involved
15:57:14 <MichaelC_WCAG> There would probably be a press release
15:57:19 <MichaelC_WCAG> and a testimonials page
15:57:28 <MichaelC_WCAG> W3C Member organizations invited to submit testimonials
15:57:53 <MichaelC_WCAG> we'll also solicit testimonials from disability community, governments that have been using WCAG, etc.
15:58:03 <MichaelC_WCAG> Invited Experts in WCAG WG can also submit
15:58:28 <MichaelC_WCAG> We expect significant media interest when WCAG 2.0 comes out
15:58:44 <MichaelC_WCAG> Will ensure there is rapid contact with top-tier media outlets
15:58:53 <MichaelC_WCAG> WCAG chairs will be invited to participate in this
15:59:11 <MichaelC_WCAG> Also helpful to know of other WG members who might be interested in being contacted on certain topics
15:59:23 <MichaelC_WCAG> e.g., industry perspective, disability community perspective, etc.
15:59:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> We do not pre-announce the date of publication
16:00:09 <MichaelC_WCAG> Keep in mind W3C process can cause unexpected changes to date
16:00:50 <MichaelC_WCAG> if we're targeting a December publication, and date gets too late in month, we'd move to January because there isn't media pickup around the holidays
16:01:29 <MichaelC_WCAG> We had a recent media article say "WCAG 2.0 set for publication in mid December", but it implied a firm date that we don't have
16:01:50 <MichaelC_WCAG> We needed to get a correction issued
16:02:20 <MichaelC_WCAG> Post Recommendation...
16:02:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> After 8.5 years, temptation may be to stop all work
16:03:06 <MichaelC_WCAG> But WCAG WG collectively has a lot of knowledge that is crucial to making sure WCAG is used well, and to setting the course for how it is followed up
16:03:18 <MichaelC_WCAG> e.g., there are a bunch of techniques remaining to document
16:03:32 <MichaelC_WCAG> advisory techniques, some more technologies, etc.
16:04:02 <MichaelC_WCAG> so there may be a considerable amount of work to do in that area to make sure people can sit down and implement WCAG
16:04:36 <MichaelC_WCAG> Also there's a fair amount of work to do on testing
16:04:41 <MichaelC_WCAG> test samples, etc.
16:05:06 <MichaelC_WCAG> Education & Outreach WG will need to do stuff as well, will need to coordinate with them
16:05:13 <MichaelC_WCAG> There will probably be errata to issue
16:05:38 <MichaelC_WCAG> Also, it's a good time to look at things that were put on the wishlist for future versions of WCAG
16:06:11 <MichaelC_WCAG> awk: is there a plan for WCAG 3
16:06:28 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: I understand there's a list of issues that have been deferred for future consideration
16:06:49 <MichaelC_WCAG> We're looking at an integrated "WAI 3.0" guidelines that roll together content, authoring, browsing
16:07:00 <MichaelC_WCAG> so a unified specification
16:07:26 <MichaelC_WCAG> though modularized for particular tasks
16:07:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> we'd welcome structured reflection from WCAG WG on that
16:08:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: One question that came up today was sites that implemented a SC pretty well, but had a problem here and there
16:09:00 <MichaelC_WCAG> due to overhead, can't just "tweak" things easily when site published
16:09:23 <MichaelC_WCAG> can we treat those as "bugs" rather than implementation failures for CR exit purposes?
16:09:46 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: Have been taking questions like this to Steve and Tim
16:10:07 <MichaelC_WCAG> one pattern in their response is that we should try to be scientific and see if we see patterns in these problems
16:10:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> e.g., if sites often miss a few things that cause them not to meet a conformance level, what might we want to say in the conformance section to address?
16:11:12 <MichaelC_WCAG> such as "certain things really require use of evaluation tools to verify that you have in fact met all the instances"
16:11:49 <MichaelC_WCAG> regarding impact on CR exit, keep in mind that the CR implementations become part of a public report
16:12:02 <MichaelC_WCAG> sites that didn't quite make it might lead to a tricky issue
16:12:37 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: consider a typo, which means word isn't english, which means it needs language markup, which means it fails
16:12:52 <MichaelC_WCAG> what do we do about point instances?
16:13:10 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: WG is holding these implementations up as fully conforming
16:13:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> W3C and the public would be looking at them
16:13:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> hard to give yes / no on these examples
16:14:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: we could fix what we can, indicate that some sites are committed to fixing bugs, as well as note ones that won't be able to fix on a particular timmeline
16:14:38 <MichaelC_WCAG> we should try not to use ones in that last category unless we absolutely have to
16:14:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/timmeline/timeline/
16:15:11 <MichaelC_WCAG> dmd: one of those sites was to be a partial conformance implementation; we could find others
16:15:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: I understood Partial Conformance was a major foundational framework
16:16:14 <MichaelC_WCAG> Also W3C wanted a diversity of examples
16:16:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> a major commercial implementation is of extreme interest
16:16:52 <MichaelC_WCAG> so in such a case, going in with a 99% implementation, accompanied by a pristine one, might convince for CR exit
16:18:07 <MichaelC_WCAG> lgr: How long do implementations need to remain after Implementation Experience report?
16:18:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: There was an agreement with implementers, no?
16:18:33 <MichaelC_WCAG> lgr: Until end of CR was agreement
16:18:50 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: We might need to grab snapshots of some implementations
16:19:02 <MichaelC_WCAG> can work out details offlilne
16:19:07 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/offlilne/offline/
16:19:49 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: Accessibility Supported Technologies...
16:19:58 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: Covering tomorrow
16:20:08 <MichaelC_WCAG> Uses of technology is what needs to be supported
16:20:29 <MichaelC_WCAG> That could be a path to the non-W3C technologies issue
16:20:44 <MichaelC_WCAG> if developers can demonstrate accessibility support for those technologies
16:21:35 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: W3C Management does feel that if accessibility support is critical, W3C should host
16:21:39 <MichaelC_WCAG> they need requirements
16:21:43 <MichaelC_WCAG> Technical, staffing
16:21:55 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: will work that out tomororw
16:22:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> jb: Non-W3C technologies, my understanding is there exists a proposal that is still under discussion
16:22:27 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/tomororw/tomorrow/
16:23:09 <MichaelC_WCAG> I need to see more about how the Accessibility Support issue might intersect with the non-W3C technologies issue
16:24:16 <MichaelC_WCAG> We need to get to a place where the techniques for non-W3C technologies shows up in quickref alongside the current technologies
16:24:25 <MichaelC_WCAG> but still concerned about the vetting process
16:24:37 <MichaelC_WCAG> seems different from accessibility support
16:24:47 <MichaelC_WCAG> These are issues that you can't leave CR without figuring out
16:24:55 <MichaelC_WCAG> gv: Whole day tomorrow is focused on that
16:25:15 <MichaelC_WCAG> Techniques, which are uses of a technology, is an aspect of this
16:26:02 <MichaelC_WCAG> If accessibility support information shows that using a technology in a certain way satisfies SC, then we have "techniques" for that technology
16:28:16 <MichaelC_WCAG> dmd: We've spent a lot of time on techniques
16:28:27 <MichaelC_WCAG> bc: Only worked on them the past few years
16:29:00 <MichaelC_WCAG> awk: Much of the techniques work was on General
16:29:40 <MichaelC_WCAG> <general acclaim> so we should be able to do more techniques easily enough (comparatively)
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17:16:14 <MichaelC_WCAG> present: Gregg Vanderheiden, Loretta Guarino Reid, Ben Caldwell, Michael Cooper, Katie Haritos-Shea, David MacDonald, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Sofia Celic, Andi Snow-Weaver, Judy Brewer
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17:16:56 <MichaelC_WCAG> chair: Loretta Guarino Reid
17:20:42 <Katie> scribe
17:21:41 <MichaelC_WCAG> scribe: Katie
17:31:01 <Loretta> http://www.australia.gov.au/Video_-_National_Apology_to_the_Stolen_Generations
17:44:36 <Loretta> http://www.dignubia.org/galleries/video.php
17:46:35 <Sofia> q+
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17:46:46 <MichaelC_WCAG> ack s
17:47:56 <Ben> q+
17:52:07 <Katie> Discussion of SC 1.2.7 - Audio Description (Extended)
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17:53:47 <Ben> q-
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18:01:08 <Katie> is provided when the sense of the video would be lost without the additional audio description
18:11:24 <Loretta> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=2651
18:22:49 <Andi> q+
18:25:55 <Sofia> ack a
18:49:43 <greggvanderheiden> Where the sense of a video would be lost audio description beyond what would fit into existing pauses in dialog, extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
18:52:19 <awk> When the sense of a video would be lost unless desriptions are provided and there is insufficient time in the video to provide them, extened audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
18:52:35 <greggvanderheiden> Where the pauses in dialog are not sufficient to convey the sense of the video through audio description extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
18:56:09 <Andi> Where pauses in dialogue are insufficient to convey the equivalent purpose of the visual information, extended audio descriptions are provided. 
18:59:36 <awk> where gaps between dialog or important sounds are insufficient...
19:00:13 <Sofia> where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient...
19:01:07 <Loretta> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey the purpose of the visual information, extended audio ...
19:01:32 <greggvanderheiden> here pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information, extended audio ...
19:04:35 <Ben> 1.2.7 <add>Where pauses in dialogue are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:04:43 <greggvanderheiden> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important information using audio description alone, extended audio audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:05:09 <greggvanderheiden> <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
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19:08:44 <greggvanderheiden> <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to use audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:09:45 <greggvanderheiden> <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey important visual information using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:11:37 <greggvanderheiden> greggvanderheiden: <add>Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to convey the sense of the video using audio description alone,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:13:09 <AndiSnow> extended audio descriptions are provided where audio descriptions are insufficient to convey the meaning of the video
19:13:12 <awk> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to contain audio description that conveys the sense of the video, extended...
19:15:28 <David_MacDonald> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient, extended AD are provided
19:16:09 <greggvanderheiden> >Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient for audio descriptions to convey the sense of the videoe,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:18:10 <greggvanderheiden> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for all prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:19:28 <greggvanderheiden> Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media.
19:21:37 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.7 - Audio Description (Extended)- Retain. Change to....Where pauses in foreground audio are insufficient to allow audio descriptions to convey the sense of the video,</add> extended audio description is provided for prerecorded video content in synchronized media. 
19:27:17 <greggvanderheiden> http://www.tsgnet.com/pres.php?id=379346&altf=Boej&altl=Topx-Xfbwfs
19:33:49 <awk> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=2652
19:38:55 <Katie> Discussion of SC 1.2.6 - Sign Language
19:53:01 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.6 - Sign Language. Retain as is.
19:53:42 <Katie> Discussion of SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternatives
19:54:29 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20080505/#fullmultaltdef
19:54:41 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/implementation_list?category=claims&sc_id=media-equiv-text-doc
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20:10:44 <Loretta> A full text alternative for synchronized media including any interaction is provided for all prerecorded synchronized media and a text alternative that presents equivalent information is provided for all prerecorded video-only media.
20:17:25 <Sofia> http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/user/error404/chinese/
20:18:11 <Sofia> select NCPR resources
20:18:22 <Sofia> NPCR
20:36:37 <greggvanderheiden> document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of all visual settings, actions, speakers, non-speech sounds, and dialogue combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
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20:37:52 <greggvanderheiden> document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
20:39:36 <greggvanderheiden> document including correctly sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the video combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achievable using interaction during the synchronized media
20:39:54 <AndiSnow> document including correctly sequenced captions, audio descriptions (or extended audio descriptions) combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that are achieved using interaction (if any) during the synchronized media
20:46:25 <greggvanderheiden> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the video combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that can be achieved by interacting with the video.
20:48:18 <greggvanderheiden> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media  combined with a means of achieving any outcomes that can be achieved by interacting with the synchronized media.
20:49:54 <Loretta> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media  combined with a means of achieving any synchronized interactions
20:50:49 <Sofia> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media  combined with a means of achieving any equivalent outcomes
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20:51:29 <Ben> ...  outcomes resulting from interaction with the synchronized media ??
20:52:26 <AndiSnow> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions
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20:53:07 <greggvanderheiden> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of  the synchronized media 
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20:53:36 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/Tim & Steve no longer involved in CR exit reviews/Tim & Steve not necessarily involved in CR exit reviews currently/
20:53:49 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/At the PR stage, there is review but it's mostly internal, not soliciting major review from the public/The Proposed Recommendation is different from all previous document stages in that the review is not by the public, but it is an internal review by W3C Member organizations/
20:54:03 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/"fine", "ok with changes", "major changes needed", and "complete opposition"/"fine as is," "ok but please consider...," "ok only with this change," or "shouldn't go to Rec."/
20:54:12 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/if a Member org comment requests major changes, particularly one involved in WCAG WG, it raises a lot of concern/if a Member org that has participated in WCAG WG and approved this to go to PR were to say "ok only with this change," that is considered pretty odd; it's important to get your ducks in a row./
20:54:22 <MichaelC_WCAG> s/There would probably be a press release/There will definitely be a press release/
20:54:28 <greggvanderheiden> document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of  the synchronized media
20:55:07 <MichaelC_WCAG> scribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:55:11 <MichaelC_WCAG> rrsagent, make minutes
20:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC_WCAG
20:57:54 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC 1.2.8 - Full Text Alternatives - Retain. Change definition of "full text alternative for synchronized media including any interaction" to "document including sequenced text descriptions of visual and auditory information of the synchronized media combined with a means of achieving any interactive functions of the synchronized media"
20:58:44 <Katie> Discussion of SC 1.2.9 - Live Audio-only
21:02:45 <Katie> RESOLUTION: SC SC 1.2.9 - Live Audio-only - Retain.
21:03:54 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/CR-eval/implementations
22:11:09 <MichaelC_WCAG> rrsagent, make minutes
22:11:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC_WCAG
22:11:15 <MichaelC_WCAG> rrsagent, bye
22:11:15 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:11:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Item to Katie and Sophia - editorial review of techniques [1]
22:11:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T13-20-33
22:11:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Item to Andi will review 3 [2]
22:11:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T13-21-15
22:11:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ITEM to David - Break 1.4.8 up into 5 seperate SC.  [3]
22:11:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-wai-wcag-irc#T15-20-10