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20:49:12 <fsasaki> meeting: Media Annotations WG
20:49:14 <fsasaki> chair: Felix
20:49:19 <fsasaki> scribe: hui
20:50:24 <hui> hi all
20:51:22 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0081.html
20:52:08 <raphael> Frank Nack and I will share a phone
20:52:18 <frank> hi all
20:52:20 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make sure that new participants are subscribed automatically
20:52:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make sure that new participants are subscribed automatically [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-10-07].
20:52:50 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()5:00PM has now started
20:52:55 <fsasaki> present: hui, raphael, frank, felix
20:52:57 <Zakim> +??P0
20:53:19 <fsasaki> regrets: Daniel, Veronique
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20:56:43 <Zakim> +??P2
20:56:46 <Zakim> -??P0
20:56:47 <Zakim> +??P0
20:56:50 <Zakim> +??P1
20:56:50 <Zakim> +tobiasbuerger
20:57:14 <Zakim> +??P5
20:57:31 <raphael> zakim, P1 is raphael_frank
20:57:31 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
20:57:37 <raphael> zakim, ??P1 is raphael_frank
20:57:37 <Zakim> +raphael_frank; got it
20:57:44 <Zakim> -??P0
20:57:51 <dsinger> zakim is hanging up on me...
20:58:11 <Zakim> +jcraig
20:58:11 <dsinger> ok now
20:58:16 <fsasaki> present+ Tobias, Davy
20:58:38 <dsinger> I'm on the phone
20:58:48 <fsasaki> present+ Dave
20:58:48 <hui> connecting, use skype
20:58:56 <fsasaki> present+ hui
20:58:59 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aaaa
20:59:03 <davy> I'm on the phone
20:59:04 <Zakim> +??P6
20:59:29 <hui> P6 seems is me
20:59:31 <hui> P6 seems is hui
20:59:41 <hui> s/
20:59:47 <wbailer> zakim, aaaa is wbailer
20:59:47 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
21:00:04 <Zakim> +??P7
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21:00:44 <fsasaki> present+ Erik
21:00:48 <raphael> zakim, ??P6 is hui
21:00:48 <Zakim> +hui; got it
21:01:38 <dsinger> weird I don't see myself on the phone
21:02:16 <dsinger> hui can't be both p2 and p7
21:02:21 <raphael> oups
21:02:22 <dsinger> I think I am p2
21:02:29 <dsinger> whatever
21:02:32 <davy> I think I am p2 or p7
21:02:32 <hui> i'm p6
21:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
21:02:41 <dsinger> p2 or p6, sorry
21:02:52 <dsinger> zakim, ??p7 is dsingr
21:02:52 <Zakim> +dsingr; got it
21:03:08 <dsinger> zakim, ho is here
21:03:08 <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, I do not recognize a party named 'ho'
21:03:13 <dsinger> zakim, who is here?
21:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see hui, raphael_frank, tobiasbuerger, Felix, jcraig, wbailer, hui.a (muted), dsingr
21:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see erik, dsinger, tobiasbuerger, davy, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, wbailer, hui, frank, raphael, trackbot
21:03:34 <Zakim> + +030210292aabb
21:03:42 <Zakim> -hui
21:05:01 <Zakim> +??P2
21:05:11 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0081/00-part
21:05:30 <fsasaki> topic: Agenda review / approval of previous minutes
21:05:59 <Zakim> +??P9
21:06:16 <raphael> zakim, ??P9 is raphael
21:06:16 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
21:06:22 <Zakim> -raphael
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21:07:14 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html
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21:07:26 <hui> TOPIC: review of action items
21:08:19 <Zakim> +??P9
21:08:23 <raphael> zakim, ??P9 is raphael
21:08:23 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
21:09:52 <hui> ??: ask something about how to have the meeting
21:09:53 <hui> ??: ask something about how to have the meeting
21:10:04 <hui> ??: too much to discuss
21:10:19 <hui> fsasaki: just discuss it briefly
21:10:26 <fsasaki> s??: /Raphael/
21:10:44 <fsasaki> s/action items/agenda/
21:11:29 <fsasaki> previous minutes approved: http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html
21:11:44 <hui> TOPIC: Selection of scribe for next meeting
21:12:16 <hui> fsasaki: next week will be  Oct 7. 13 UTC
21:12:33 <wbailer> i volunteer for scribing next week
21:12:51 <hui> wbailer: volunteer next week
21:13:05 <hui> fsasaki: that's great.
21:13:22 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/december-f2f/results
21:13:23 <hui> TOPIC: Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time
21:13:46 <hui> fsasaki: Dec. 9,10 including joint meeting with Media Fragments WG
21:14:26 <hui> ??: media fragments WG decided last week, f2f meeting, on Dec 9, 10, need to check again
21:14:27 <dsinger> alas, dec 9,10 I will be at a Blu-ray meeting (probably Japan)
21:14:43 <raphael> s/??:/raphael:
21:14:44 <hui> TOPIC: Action items
21:15:06 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
21:15:29 <hui> fsasaki: only one, new added. check the scribe and emails
21:15:43 <raphael> wonders whether the group participants should create a wiki account of if such an account has already been created?
21:16:15 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
21:16:20 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page
21:16:46 <hui> fsasaki: answer raphael, should log in to the wiki and then be able to create pages
21:17:47 <fsasaki> topic: Open issues
21:18:22 <hui> ??: question about use cases, add mobile aspects ?
21:19:06 <hui> ??: many candidate user cases can be add this mobile aspect
21:19:25 <Zakim> -raphael_frank
21:19:55 <hui> fsasaki: ask for ideas on the phone
21:20:08 <raphael> s/??:/Joakim
21:21:11 <Joakim> Action: Joakim to describe mobile aspects to use cases
21:21:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Describe mobile aspects to use cases [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-07].
21:21:59 <fsasaki> 6054 Formats in scope / out of scope http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/formats/results
21:22:08 <frank> regarding the mobile use case: is the aim to add automatically localisation data - as for images on flickr?
21:22:24 <hui> fsasaki: did not have lots of responses on 6054
21:23:14 <hui> fsasaki: delay the questionnaire again 
21:23:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:24:24 <fsasaki>   6064	Use case "Services by using an unified media annotation"
21:24:46 <hui> fsasaki: call for volunteer to provide more information 
21:25:00 <hui> fsasaki: and put the information for the use case to wiki
21:25:14 <hui> ??: already to the work, will post to wiki later
21:25:38 <fsasaki> action: Tobias to put XG use cases into wiki
21:25:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Put XG use cases into wiki [on Tobias Bürger - due 2008-10-07].
21:26:01 <hui> 6065 Use case "Video on IPTV"
21:26:29 <hui> fsasaki: any ideas about this one ?
21:28:07 <hui> ??: no use cases linked with video at all expect this one
21:28:48 <hui> fsasaki: ask somebody to elaborate this use case 
21:29:46 <hui> ??: will do this job
21:29:58 <Joakim> action: Joakim elaborates on the video use case
21:29:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Elaborates on the video use case [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-07].
21:30:09 <fsasaki> s/??:/Joakim/
21:30:21 <hui> 6066 Requirement "Covering variations across locales"
21:30:53 <hui> fsasaki: anybody want to work on this requirement ?
21:31:17 <hui> fsasaki: propose to drop it ?
21:31:39 <hui> ??: pretty tricky one, maybe leave it will be fine
21:32:32 <fsasaki> s/??:/Dave:/
21:32:38 <hui> ACTION-9 Dave to elaborate 6066
21:33:04 <hui> ACTION: Dave to elaborate 6066
21:33:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Dave
21:33:12 <dsinger> dsinger
21:33:29 <hui> 6067 Use case "Audiovisual archive as a Cultural Heritage institution"
21:34:10 <hui> fsasaki: any volunteers want to create information in wiki
21:34:25 <raphael> Veronique is interested in his use case
21:34:32 <raphael> s/his/this
21:34:48 <hui> ACTION: ?? create information in wiki about 6067
21:34:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ??
21:35:03 <wbailer> s/??:/wbailer/
21:35:20 <hui> ??: what about split the use case into two 
21:36:01 <hui> ??: application / technique points of view, interoperate problem, search problem
21:37:03 <fsasaki> s/??: what/Vassilis: what/
21:37:23 <fsasaki> s/??: application/werner: application/
21:37:38 <hui> ??: very important issue, not only ontology, but more to be covered
21:38:06 <fsasaki> s/??: very/Vassilis: very/
21:38:07 <frank> if the search problem is seperated - what is the difference to 6083
21:39:23 <hui> fsasaki: we have to see the result to seperate 6067 
21:39:26 <hui> 6068 Use case "Metadata to help promoting safe environments"
21:40:22 <hui> fsasaki: ask for volunteer to work on this oen
21:40:28 <raphael> this use case comes from the POWDER WG
21:40:38 <raphael> ... and Phil Archher
21:41:27 <hui> fsasaki: more discussions were required
21:41:32 <hui> 6069 Use case "Multi media and semantic web technologies"
21:41:41 <hui> fsasaki: too general, will be dropped
21:41:52 <raphael> agree to drop
21:41:55 <hui> 6077 Use case "Photo"
21:42:27 <hui> fsasaki: call for volunteers to work on it
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21:44:58 <hui> ??: look for volunteers 6083
21:45:08 <fsasaki> s/??:/Felix:/
21:45:56 <hui> ??: it's too specific to semantic technology, also to multi media 
21:46:14 <fsasaki> s/??:/Vassilis :/
21:48:09 <hui> 6078 Use case "Music"
21:48:42 <hui> fsasaki: use wiki to write is recommend
21:49:18 <hui> 6085 Use case "multimedia sharing"
21:49:40 <hui> fsasaki: call for volunteers to produce material
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21:50:25 <hui> fsasaki: volunteers for 6086, 6109 ?
21:50:43 <frank> happy to fill in 6084 and 6086
21:51:00 <hui> ACTION: frank will work on 6084 and 6086
21:51:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Will work on 6084 and 6086 [on Frank Nack - due 2008-10-07].
21:51:58 <hui> 6113 Requirement "Allowing for a simple API, abstraction in the ontology, and a clear mediation inbetween"
21:52:22 <dsinger> I like the way this is phrased! (Maybe it was from my mail)
21:53:42 <hui> fsasaki: explaining 6113 , question is how to make it happen
21:54:13 <hui> ACTION dsinger will work more on this issue 6113
21:54:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - dsinger
21:55:07 <hui> ??: it would be better have a idea what does it mean to provide this API
21:55:28 <hui> ??: better to postpone this issue when ontology is ready
21:55:40 <raphael> s/??://raphael:
21:57:01 <hui> fsasaki: if postpone, it'll be very slow. maybe we should work them at the same time.
21:57:56 <hui> fsasaki: most of people here are interested on ontology, ask for people to working on this API
21:58:25 <hui> 6126 Machine readable license data
21:59:28 <hui> fsasaki: already discussed a lot in the mail list, any feeling whether we need to specify ontology on this kind of data
22:01:27 <hui> rapheal: ICBC, they did some work on it, the result is to put this part as a link to other vocabularies, such as MPEG-21, 
22:01:30 <frank> I agree with Raphael
22:01:34 <davy> +1
22:01:41 <wbailer> +1
22:01:48 <vassilis> +1
22:01:59 <raphael> s/ICBC/IPTC
22:02:14 <hui> fsasaki: it's a good approach
22:02:16 <hui> fsasaki: it's a good approach
22:02:58 <Zakim> -jcraig
22:02:59 <hui> fsasaki: thanks for all, 
22:02:59 <Zakim> -davy
22:02:59 <Zakim> -??P2
22:03:00 <Zakim> -Vassilis
22:03:01 <Zakim> -Felix
22:03:02 <Zakim> -dsingr
22:03:02 <Zakim> -raphael
22:03:03 <Zakim> -tobiasbuerger
22:03:09 <fsasaki> thanks for scribing, hui
22:03:16 <Zakim> -wbailer
22:03:27 <Zakim> -hui.a
22:03:28 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()5:00PM has ended
22:03:30 <Zakim> Attendees were tobiasbuerger, Felix, raphael_frank, jcraig, +43.316.876.aaaa, hui, wbailer, dsingr, +030210292aabb, Vassilis, raphael, davy
22:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
22:06:41 <raphael> exit
22:08:36 <fsasaki> present+ Vassilis
22:08:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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