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15:00:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
15:00:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM already started
15:00:10 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:00:10 <trackbot> Date: 26 September 2008
15:00:23 <josema> chair: kevin, john
15:01:12 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
15:01:13 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
15:01:13 <Zakim> +Josema
15:01:47 <josema> zakim, drop josema
15:01:47 <Zakim> Josema is being disconnected
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15:02:04 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
15:02:04 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
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15:03:37 <Zakim> -Josema
15:03:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
15:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2
15:03:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
15:03:59 <josema> zakin, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
15:04:05 <josema> zakim, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
15:04:06 <Zakim> +johnlsheridan; got it
15:04:17 <josema> zakim, call josema-mobile
15:04:17 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
15:04:19 <Zakim> +Josema
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15:05:37 <Zakim> +Josema
15:06:07 <josema> zakim, drop josema
15:06:07 <Zakim> Josema is being disconnected
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15:07:02 <Zakim> + +34.64.736.aaaa
15:08:27 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb
15:08:46 <josema> zakim, aaaa is josema
15:08:46 <Zakim> +josema; got it
15:09:05 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin
15:09:05 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
15:10:53 <josema> josema: welcome ideas on how to move forward
15:11:27 <josema> john: I have some ideas that can share
15:13:46 <josema> ...we need to focus on basic things
15:14:20 <josema> [talk about US/UK approaches]
15:14:52 <josema> [practicalities, is WebArch really understood?]
15:17:15 <josema> [key: how we can support the people involved in those projects to understand the basics]
15:17:37 <josema> [maybe we take some from granted, but it should be understandable for them]
15:20:34 <josema> [need to improve the way we communicate wrt standards]
15:23:07 <josema> [from W3C stack of technologies to useful government suite of W3c standards]
15:23:41 <josema> [risk of some people thinking this too easy, but a long standing challenge]
15:25:48 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aacc
15:26:03 <josema> zakim, drop aacc
15:26:03 <Zakim> +34.63.557.aacc is being disconnected
15:26:05 <Zakim> - +34.63.557.aacc
15:27:24 <josema> [we need to contextualize]
15:28:22 <josema> [we could do start it ourselves, but how to engage the Group?]
15:28:55 <josema> [but it's very inclusive activity, everybody can contribute]
15:29:33 <josema> s/W3c/W3C
15:29:35 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aadd
15:30:43 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar
15:30:43 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
15:31:53 <josema> [use cases: we are not expecting people to get to any technical detail]
15:32:07 <josema> [we were expecting simple things, overview]
15:32:55 <josema> [risk of people going into very technical detail]
15:39:15 <josema> [agreement on that we need to go ahead with this]
15:39:34 <josema> [basic use cases + good practice on how to use the basics]
15:39:47 <josema> [example topic: content syndication]
15:40:03 <josema> john: working on something along these lines
15:40:14 <josema> ...will be able to share in a while
15:40:37 <josema> john: we should start with very simple diagrams
15:40:46 <josema> ...very simple text
15:41:05 <josema> ...two step process: very easy first, and then guidance on
15:41:10 <josema> ...W3C standards use
15:42:07 <josema> josema: where to start? compilation of use cases?
15:42:23 <josema> john: could be ok as start but from elementary level
15:42:38 <josema> ...not deeply technical stuff
15:48:08 <josema> [another key issue: provenance and authoritative source of information]
15:48:50 <josema> [...and need to achieve trust]
15:49:04 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendants
15:49:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendants', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:49:13 <josema> zakim, list attendants
15:49:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendants', josema
15:50:25 <josema> [another topic: what information should be available for free]
15:50:45 <josema> s/free/ free or paid for
15:51:14 <josema> [scope is getting huge again though]
15:51:58 <josema> kevin: pressure to agencies to make their data openly available
15:52:14 <josema> ...but big challenge: how they can control is used according to the "terms of service"
15:52:36 <josema> john: and you enter the licensing issues world...
15:53:54 <josema> [need a use case on trust/authority,/provenance]
15:54:02 <josema> s/,//
15:56:12 <josema> zakim, mute oscar
15:56:12 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted
15:57:25 <josema> josema: regular chairs call?
15:57:29 <josema> kevin: ok
15:57:32 <josema> oscar: ok
15:59:48 <josema> john: ok, but better one hour later
16:00:31 <josema> resolved: group call to stays as it is for now
16:00:41 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar
16:00:41 <Zakim> oscar should no longer be muted
16:01:10 <josema> RESOLVED: chairs call at 13:00 UTC
16:01:16 <josema> zakim, mute oscar
16:01:16 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted
16:02:13 <josema> josema: how to proceed?
16:02:24 <josema> kevin: need to discuss by email
16:02:44 <josema> ...john and I, then present to the Group
16:04:15 <josema> ACTION kevin, john to prepare agenda for next Group call
16:04:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kevin,
16:04:26 <josema> zakim, who's here?
16:04:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see johnlsheridan, josema, kevin, oscar (muted)
16:04:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
16:06:12 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar
16:06:12 <Zakim> oscar should no longer be muted
16:06:30 <Zakim> -kevin
16:06:34 <josema> zakim, drop oscar
16:06:34 <Zakim> oscar is being disconnected
16:06:36 <Zakim> -oscar
16:06:51 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
16:06:57 <josema> zakim,bye
16:06:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Josema, johnlsheridan, +34.64.736.aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.63.557.aacc, +34.63.557.aadd, oscar
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16:07:20 <josema> zakim, who's here?
16:08:06 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
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16:08:17 <josema> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/26-egov-minutes.html josema
16:08:24 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
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