14:59:54 RRSAgent has joined #svgig 14:59:54 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc 14:59:56 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:59:58 Zakim, this will be SVGIG 14:59:58 ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM already started 14:59:59 Metaphorically has joined #svgig 14:59:59 Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference 14:59:59 Date: 25 September 2008 15:00:07 Zakim, call shepazu 15:00:07 ok, shepazu; the call is being made 15:00:09 +Shepazu 15:00:17 +Gregory_Rosmaita 15:02:13 + +1.519.968.aaaa 15:02:37 +Andreas_Neumann 15:02:51 + +49.918.126.5.aabb 15:04:09 i'm in. (+49...) 15:04:32 Zakim, +49.918.126.5.aabb is Manuel 15:04:32 +Manuel; got it 15:05:08 Zakim, +1.519.968.aaaa is Rob_Russell 15:05:08 +Rob_Russell; got it 15:06:03 scribeNick: shepazu 15:06:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0095.html 15:06:45 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0095.html 15:07:20 (introductions) 15:08:13 GR: I'm an old hand at W3C, doing ARIA, HTML, and other stuff (blind, use AT) 15:09:48 oedipus has joined #svgig 15:09:50 anthony has joined #svgig 15:10:00 GR: Open Accessibility (a11y.org) which merged with Linux Foundation 15:10:05 scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita 15:10:11 ScribeNick: oedipus 15:11:13 MS: attended SVGOpen, web developer, phD student, use SVG to do hobby stuff, like to advocate use in scientific presentation 15:11:16 Manuel: based in Germany - joined IG week ago - part time developer; no use cases for me at moment, but trying to make presentations - some work, some don't 15:11:35 +??P1 15:11:49 Zakim, ??P1 is me 15:11:49 +anthony; got it 15:12:27 Anthony: represent ICANN on SVG WG 15:12:33 +Dave_Porter 15:12:33 Canon 15:12:38 s/ICANN/Canon 15:12:48 s/ICANN/Canon/ 15:13:04 oedipus = Gregory J. Rosmaita 15:14:34 DavePorter has joined #svgig 15:15:01 TOPIC: Process Page for IG Wiki for new members to get them acclimatized; short page 15:15:12 JS: where is tracker, how to use, etc. 15:15:25 JS: main page of wiki good start - anyone want to create simple page 15:15:33 MS: tracker instructions 15:15:51 DS: maybe could point to those things 15:15:55 JS: starting page 15:15:57 q+ 15:16:15 JS: links to existing resources 15:16:18 ack me 15:16:54 ACTION: Gregory - start simple wiki page for IG and W3C resources 15:16:54 Created ACTION-11 - - start simple wiki page for IG and W3C resources [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2008-10-02]. 15:17:03 JS: wiki collaborative 15:17:07 MS: will help on wiki 15:17:23 JS: process page - summarize itself 15:17:34 my nick in the wiki: mstrehl 15:17:45 DS: create account, email me or jeff 15:17:55 JS: last: conference call time and date 15:17:55 Possibly also (if not existent) add some information on participating on conference calls... ;-) 15:18:03 JS: doug started poll last week 15:18:17 JS: is this the right time? international participation important 15:18:47 link to poll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0067.html 15:19:11 DS: move telecon because some of the more active members not able to attend at this time 15:19:44 @helder - will add call participation info to wiki page 15:20:02 JS: please fill out form so can schedule calls 15:20:09 TOPIC: Community 15:20:22 JS: Rob Russell - svg community web site - synopsis 15:21:03 oedipus: Great! :-) 15:21:23 RR: have site set up running on temporary domain - rush70.org - right now everything not visible to public - want more stability before more exposure 15:21:53 RR: site doesn't have final theme - installed pile of themes - anyone who wants to can edit user prefs to choose theme - feedback on themes IG likes 15:22:32 RR: theme: zen is good starting point; sent email to list about this; if anyone wants to tailor a theme, can give ftp access to site to tailor without impacting rest of site 15:22:36 JS: how to change theme? 15:23:04 RR: under my account, choose edit, then choose from long list of themes near bottom of document 15:23:14 RR: probably want a "portal looking" theme 15:23:31 RR: openID login turned on - anyone who can improve, please do 15:24:12 it's rush70.com, isn't it? 15:24:15 RR: turned on wiki tools module - editing handbook page there is a script link to enter sample script; can add pages to book - Best Practices for Authoring SVG Content on web 15:24:34 it is rush70.com, yes 15:24:41 s/rush70.org/rush70.com 15:25:19 RR: syntax highlighting model - if include code, use

 will do syntax highlighting
15:25:28  GJR: how performs syntax highlighting
15:26:07  RR: uses GEHSI - marks up with spans 
15:26:23  RR: creates CSS rules 
15:26:34  oedipus@hicom.net or gregory@linux-foundation.org
15:26:41  http://qbnz.com/highlighter/
15:26:59  RR: druple module makes available to users
15:27:41  GJR: will provide feedback
15:27:49  RR: class naming revision would be good
15:28:28  RR: is a DIFF module that turned on - if someone goes in under script link at top and adds page, can create new versions of pages with history - diff module supposed to mark changes between revisions
15:28:30  http://www.rush70.com/content/scripts-library
15:29:00  RR: anyone with account can edit page referred to above - "revisions" tab shows diff; checkbox when submitting page 
15:29:25  RR: new aggregator running on site; working on getting simple work flow for approving work items we want to highlight on site
15:30:07  JS: if other admins can get on board and work together, would be preferable
15:30:42  RR: created role "administrator" - anyone that wants admin access to site during beta, can turn on, then can decide roles (admins, moderators, etc. when ready to go live)
15:31:01  MS: integrate with main W3C page?
15:31:05  DS: that is the plan
15:32:07  DS: SVG page is news off of svg.org -- we will be using news feed specifically for w3c as that updates, will automatically refresh more often; w3c page currently not automated - have to manually rebuild; going to change so when new feed comes in  will go to w3c page
15:32:18  DS: finally heard back from svg.org's owner
15:32:31  TOPIC: Permanent Home for Site
15:34:23  DS: writing to him in english, but he speaks french and not a lot of english; antoine interceded for me - working through karl dubost (native french speaker) to help communicate with guy - reluctant to get rid of domain - has long-term project he wants to use svg.org for - don't want him to change nature of svg.org from our community site to a private site - offered sub-domain, but don't think that is what we want -- open to transfer w3c or to established com
15:34:30  it which is what we are
15:34:42  DS: might sell or donate to W3C - still in negotiation
15:35:41  DS: should know by next meeting if willing to transfer svg.org - if asking considerable sum for it, may pose problems and should re-examine (1) is it worth it and (2) can we raise money for it
15:36:14  JS: domain not as important as content - content rich site, domain name can be something other than svg.org
15:36:38  DP: can take up collection or can we consider something branded with interest group - svgig.org or svgig.com
15:37:07  JS: thinking site would be broader than just w3c - admins and worker bees probably from IG, but w3c doesn't go hand-in-hand with site control
15:37:26  svg-community.com
15:37:27  DS: appreciated DP's point - would be received better if perceived as community and not W3C site
15:37:37  svg4all.org
15:38:19  JS: svg.net a possibility; owner reluctant to part with domain - not a lot of traffic at site - asked him to consider us as first candidate in bidding for domain name
15:39:24  Maybe to provide a carrot for someone giving up their existing svg.* domain, is have a banner add or link prominently in "our" site pointing them back to whatever commercial type enterprise they have got going.
15:39:28  DS: can convince svg.org guy - sounded willing because no single company stepping forward to champion SVG, so may be best to transfer to w3c
15:39:37  DS: could put a "donate" link on site
15:39:40  Bring them into our community--sort of.
15:40:03  GJR: could ask DAISY consortium for liaison with SVG in DAISY work
15:40:32  DS: would help to have non-profit to promote SVGOpen and other programs - "help us with our activities" donation button
15:40:37  DS: fairly low overhead
15:41:04  JS: should have some news on svg.org - other possibilities which RR has offered
15:41:36  DS: in 2009 opening up .web - svg.web not bad
15:41:41  DS: who has svg.cc?
15:42:01  DS: cc from creative commons signifies clearly openess
15:42:12  JS: still need theme for site;
15:42:18  TOPIC: ACTION ITEM REVIEW
15:42:33  JS: designers to help?
15:42:57  DS: contacted about joining svg ig - don't want to be go between rather have them interacting directly with us
15:43:44  DS: john cruz is now part of SVG IG - helps run inkscape project (open source graphical editing tool for SVG)
15:44:28  DS: inkscape interesting to me because casual designer asked for basic info about inkscape, but didn't realize after having used it he was creating SVG -- people just using tool, which is what is goal
15:44:37  DS: parlay community building into SVG Community site
15:45:34  RR: if don't get contributions i will draw pictures and i am not an artist
15:46:37  DS: is it worth our while to start before find out about domain name within couple of weeks, would like to see site go public and get more actual content - currently not making best use of rob's time - perhaps need to open up more
15:46:53  RR: open to users and leave robots.txt not to index
15:47:00  JS: point to rush70?
15:47:02  I like open, but I like trying to get to the permanent domain home.
15:47:13  DS: move to domain we have control of
15:47:47  RR: pick from domains; druple a pain to move, but can make happen
15:48:03  s/druple/drupal/
15:48:04  DS: wait until have domain (svg.org) - still have to find host for svg.org
15:48:14  I second what Doug is saying, wait a couple weeks for progress on svg.org
15:48:22  DS: where will it be hosted? can always redirect DNS
15:48:47  RR: DNS aliasing can be difficult
15:48:58  DS: not a technical difficulty but a "software feature"
15:49:06  JS: keep at host using now, RR?
15:49:22  RR: as long as hosting can hold it up, fine with me; if port, will port
15:49:51  JS: planetsvg.com 
15:50:05  DS: at dreamhost - could get free hosting - do for what wg - could ask them
15:50:40  RR: svghowto.com - would like to make public - so anonymous visitors could at least see content, but keep bots from indexing
15:50:44  Action: Rob_Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:50:44  Sorry, couldn't find user - Rob_Russell
15:50:59  Action: Metaphorically to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:50:59  Sorry, couldn't find user - Metaphorically
15:51:09  GJR: plus 1 to svghowto.org 
15:51:18  TOPIC: SVG Open 2008
15:51:28  s/2008/2009/
15:51:46  Andres: may be hosted in mountainville, close to monterray (sp?)
15:52:03  Monterrey
15:52:03  Andres: large companies close by is advantage
15:52:14  s/monterray/Monterrey
15:52:37  "Mountain of the king" in Spanish, I believe.
15:52:49  Andres: 2 choices: one near large companies, one where group could get a lot of work done in a positive setting
15:53:21  JS: didn't get chance to look at facilities
15:53:53  Andres: contact at Google looking for proposals from us for sponsoring or helping out with organization - need to discuss how to procede
15:54:16  Action: Rob to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:54:16  Sorry, couldn't find user - Rob
15:54:19  JS: brad newburg working on SVG at Google
15:54:36  s/newburg/neuberg/
15:54:47  Andres: may need help with proposal
15:55:04  DS: can send to SVG IG list or open svg list, can polish it if you provide basic data
15:55:18  Andres: what format?
15:55:20  DS: text
15:55:30  Andres: Google style plain in any case
15:55:45  JS: depends upon sponsorship, but in fall?
15:55:58  Andres: heard proposal for spring, but IMO fall would be better
15:56:20  Action: Robert Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:56:20  Created ACTION-12 - Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [on Robert Russell - due 2008-10-02].
15:56:39  Action: Rob_Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:56:39  Sorry, couldn't find user - Rob_Russell
15:56:45  Andres: if approach Google, what do we want to ask of them -- organization, venue provision, helping defray cost, assistance  with travel
15:56:47  Action: Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1
15:56:47  Created ACTION-13 - Move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [on Robert Russell - due 2008-10-02].
15:57:20  TWO MINUTE WARNING
15:57:33  DS: ask Google for all of the above -- whatever they are willing to do
15:58:13  DS: some of our concerns are...  if Google can help out with one or more of these things, would be appreciated; Google brand will give conf prestige and improve profile of SVG
15:58:23  Andres: open source travel assistance
15:59:00  DS: 2 contacts at Google now -- hit up both
15:59:08  HelderMagalhaes has joined #svgig
15:59:26  Andres: vice-president of Google from Switzerland - doesn't know me, but i know him
15:59:33  DS: contact professor who knows him
15:59:46  DS: adjourn or anything urgent?
15:59:48  Yes, time is short, Dave Porter has to drop momentarily.
15:59:57  JS: testing, test set - SVG Torture test idea
16:00:18  JS: high performance SVG demos to see what new javascript widgets can do - can start wiki page and brainstorm it
16:00:38  DS: good idea -- demos needed - need something that impresses and instructs
16:00:52  JS: challanges section: projects on which groups/individuals can work
16:01:07  JS: use SVG to mimic effects of lesser technologies
16:01:14  Jeff: please keep reminding us of the W3C IRC client URL in communications about our meetings.  I always end up scrambling to find it.
16:01:18  JS: new things done in SVG imoprtant too
16:01:27  Good day everyone....
16:01:30  @DavePorter: ok, thanks - sorry
16:01:30  -Dave_Porter
16:01:46  DS: how to do easier and better pertaining to web in SVG like EricD's stuff
16:02:16  Andres: translations of SVG talked about at OpenSVG -- critical
16:02:27  DS: want to translate book as well
16:02:48  JS: move to adjourn - may have new time by next call, so stay tuned to emailing list and add to wiki
16:02:54  -Manuel
16:02:55  -anthony
16:02:57  -Rob_Russell
16:03:02  -Shepazu
16:03:02  Gregory - thanks for scribing you did an awesome job
16:03:03  -Andreas_Neumann
16:03:22  you're welcome jeff - not up to my usual standards, but thanks
16:03:26  -Gregory_Rosmaita
16:03:28  -Jeff_Schiller
16:03:29  GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has ended
16:03:30  Attendees were Jeff_Schiller, Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, Andreas_Neumann, Manuel, Rob_Russell, anthony, Dave_Porter
16:03:36  rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:36  I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
16:04:48  chair: Jeff_Schiller
16:04:57  rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:57  I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
16:05:29  thanks again, oedipus 
16:05:52  yeah somehow i have to learn all these tricks with trackbots, rrsagent, Zakim
16:05:57  guess it's a rite of passage?
16:06:25  Yeah, I was saying that to Anthony minutes ago...
16:06:51  no problem - on the wiki page i will point to my scribe's cheat sheet and resources
16:07:00  Great! :-)
16:07:03  that will be awesome
16:07:14  regrets+ Christophe_Strobbe
16:09:14  did you try my little snow thing in Chrome?
16:09:56  regrets+ Donald_Dogherty
16:10:03  rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:03  I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
16:16:31  rrsagent, please part
16:16:31  I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-actions.rdf :
16:16:31  ACTION: Gregory - start simple wiki page for IG and W3C resources   [1]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-16-54
16:16:31  ACTION: Rob_Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [2]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-50-44
16:16:31  ACTION: Metaphorically to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [3]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-50-59
16:16:31  ACTION: Rob to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [4]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-54-16
16:16:31  ACTION: Robert Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [5]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-56-20
16:16:31  ACTION: Rob_Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [6]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-56-39
16:16:31  ACTION: Russell to move page to one of his domains on 1-and-1 [7]
16:16:31    recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-irc#T15-56-47