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13:41:52 <rmerric> Zakim, list
13:41:52 <Zakim> I see WAI_(AGE TF)9:30AM active
13:41:53 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM
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13:42:26 <rmerric> zakim, this will be XHTML2
13:42:26 <Zakim> ok, rmerric; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:43:21 <rmerric> rmerric has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0014.html
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13:43:26 <Tina> I've not sorted any better headsets, so voice would be rather pointless for me.
13:43:29 <rmerric> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0014.html
13:43:33 <chuckkh> hello
13:43:35 <alessio> hi all
13:43:48 <chuckkh> newbie questions ok here?
13:43:55 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:44:19 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:44:30 <chuckkh> I've been trying to figure out how to replace frames, not just to separate content, but to have one part of a page not scroll with the rest
13:44:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
13:44:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
13:44:46 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
13:44:57 <Tina> chuckkh: it may be that freenode's #web is a better place to ask such a question.
13:45:06 <chuckkh> alrighty, thanks Tina
13:45:15 <Tina> chuckkh: quite welcome.
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13:45:26 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
13:45:33 <Zakim> +Roland
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13:46:28 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:46:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:46:30 <Zakim> +Steven
13:46:59 <Steven> rrsagent, here?
13:46:59 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-irc#T13-46-59
13:48:00 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
13:48:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven
13:48:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, Roland, ShaneM, Tina
13:49:19 <Zakim> +??P3
13:49:37 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is Alessio
13:49:37 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
13:50:39 <Zakim> +Tina
13:50:45 <Tina> Zakim, mue me
13:50:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mue me', Tina
13:50:48 <Tina> Zakim, mute me
13:50:48 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted
13:51:02 <Tina> I'm listening in, but muted so that I don't "echo"
13:52:20 <ShaneM> I am dealing with a just-arisen crisis at the office, so I am unable to call in until I get it sorted.
13:52:28 <Steven> Previous --> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-minutes
13:52:41 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
13:52:55 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:52:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
13:53:26 <Steven> s/17/10/
13:53:49 <Steven> Topic: TPAC
13:53:56 <Steven> Roland: Is there a registration page?
13:54:16 <Steven> Steven: Yes, see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/
13:54:44 <Steven> Alessio: I am planning to come
13:54:59 <Tina> I am integrating her comments in the article - tho not as we speak.
13:54:59 <Steven> Topic: Tina's Primer
13:55:07 <Steven> http://www.dev-archive.net/articles/xhtml.html
13:55:32 <Tina> Zakim, unmute me
13:55:32 <Zakim> Tina should no longer be muted
13:55:56 <Steven> Roland: I see Christina has sent a review
13:56:16 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0013.html
13:56:39 <Steven> Steven: I have some comments
13:57:14 <Steven> Tina: It was good. Mostly linguistic changes from Christina.
14:01:32 <Steven> Steven: Domain experts
14:01:40 <Steven> Tina: I will be rewriting that
14:01:48 <Steven> Steven: CSS instead of RDF
14:04:02 <Steven> Tina: Knowledge of semantics allows the browser to take the realities of the user into account
14:04:07 <Steven> Roland: Who is the reader?
14:04:22 <Steven> Tine: GOod point. I shall add that at the beginning
14:04:29 <Steven> s/GO/Go/
14:11:10 <Steven> Steven: Prudction vs consumption
14:11:24 <Steven> Steven: Using media type to get it into the browser
14:11:40 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send examples of media type heuristics to Tina
14:14:15 <Steven> Roland: Anything else?
14:14:20 <Steven> Tina: No that's good.
14:14:32 <Tina> Zakim, mute me
14:14:32 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted
14:14:46 <Steven> Tina: Please send me email comments if you have them.
14:15:25 <Steven> Topic: M12N status
14:15:51 <Steven> Steven: W3C is fully involved with the W3F last week; I expect we can have a call when the dust settles
14:16:44 <Steven> Topic: Events
14:16:46 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0035
14:18:29 <Steven> Roland: I remember talking about this in venice
14:19:04 <Steven> Steven: Isn't the problem with name clashes with Common attributes?
14:19:06 <Steven> Roland: Yes
14:19:46 <Steven> ... @ raise instead of @event
14:20:37 <Steven> Steven: @event is a common attribute, should we incorporate XML Events into XHTML2
14:21:18 <Steven> ... if we decide to use XML Even6ts without namespace prefixes, then no element may have an attribute call event
14:21:26 <Steven> s/call/called/
14:21:57 <Steven> Roland: I don't think it is generally true that @raise would suggest exceptions rather than events
14:23:32 <Steven> ... I don't think we can do much about this one
14:23:39 <Steven> Steven: We could ask for more suggestions
14:23:47 <alessio> agree
14:24:23 <Steven> Roland: @destid rather than @target
14:24:48 <Steven> Steven: Again @target is taken as a Common attribute
14:24:53 <Steven> Roland: What does it do?
14:25:12 <Steven> Steven: It says you are only interested in events that have been targetted to that element
14:25:50 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080625/
14:26:12 <Steven> Steven: Oh it's changed
14:26:19 <Steven> @destid is now @to
14:26:51 <Steven> ... so that one is solved
14:27:32 <Steven> Roland: And what happened to the action element
14:27:37 <Steven> ... still @targetid
14:28:22 <Steven> Steven: @target is used for @href
14:29:54 <Steven> Roland: addEventListener has an attribute called taget?
14:30:04 <Steven> Steven: No, an attrivute that has target as a value
14:30:52 <Steven> Roland: Where is @target defined
14:30:56 <Steven> Steven: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-modularization-20080813/abstract_modules.html#s_targetmodule
14:32:16 <Steven> Steven: In M12N 1.1 it is a module that ads @target to several places
14:32:33 <Steven> Roland: Frames?
14:32:57 <Steven> Steven: Well, 'environment'; see XHTML Basic 1.1
14:33:33 <Steven> "The target attribute is designed to be a general hook for binding to an external environment (such as Frames, multiple windows, browser-tabbed windows); when there is no such external environment bound to the user agent, the user agent can ignore the target attribute. When there is an external environment bound, the conformance requirements for the target attribute are defined in each environment."
14:34:21 <Steven> Steven: M12N should say that too really; too late now though
14:34:36 <Steven> Roland: Type ID?
14:34:41 <Steven> Steven: Interesting
14:35:08 <Steven> ... M12n says CDATA
14:35:31 <ShaneM> CDATA is correct for @target
14:35:47 <Steven> Roland: Would it matter that we left target on some elements?
14:37:13 <Steven> Present+Shane
14:37:58 <Steven> Steven: You're suggesting we could use the same definition of target on dispatchEvent
14:38:03 <Steven> ... hmm, possible
14:38:24 <alessio> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080107/
14:39:01 <Steven> Roland: @target just becomes contextual
14:39:34 <Steven> ... the only place it would be problematic would be if you couldn;t determine the context
14:40:02 <Steven> Steven: I'm not sure if I like it
14:40:05 <ShaneM> The problem is that if it is in Common it will collide
14:40:09 <Steven> ... I need to let it sink in
14:40:14 <ShaneM> and in XHTML 2 it owuld need to be in Common
14:40:41 <Steven> Well, Shane, we would use the one in Common, that is the suggestion
14:40:48 <ShaneM> s/owuld/would/
14:41:15 <Steven> Roland: Well we can noodle on it for a while
14:41:53 <ShaneM> I don't think you can.  XML Events 2 is independent of XHTML 2.  Implementation-wise it could use Common's definition, but we would still have to define it in XML Events 2
14:42:08 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0029
14:42:52 <Steven> Steven: They are asking why we renamed to dispatchEvent
14:43:21 <Steven> Roland: We'd have to look at the minutes
14:43:33 <Steven> ... maybe because it was different from the one in XForms
14:44:50 <Steven> Steven: I'll talk to them in the next hour
14:45:12 <Steven> ADJOURN
14:45:19 <Zakim> -Roland
14:45:20 <Zakim> -Steven
14:45:21 <Zakim> -Tina
14:45:22 <Zakim> -Alessio
14:45:24 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:45:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, Alessio, Tina
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14:46:23 <alessio> bye, have a good day :)
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14:46:32 <Steven> Regrets+Mark
14:46:41 <Steven> rrsahgent, make minutes
14:46:46 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:47:55 <Steven> Present+Shane
14:48:01 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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