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14:42:58 <dom> Zakim, this will be TS
14:42:58 <dom> Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
14:42:59 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
14:43:11 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0016.html
14:43:16 <dom> Chair: Dom
14:59:45 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:53 <Zakim> +??P42
15:00:05 <Zakim> + +47.24.16.aaaa
15:00:07 <Zakim> -??P42
15:00:09 <Zakim> +??P42
15:00:44 <dom> zakim, code?
15:00:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
15:02:04 <Zakim> + +95251aabb
15:02:06 <dom> zakim, aabb is me
15:02:21 <dom> zakim, ??P42 is Kai
15:02:24 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:02:27 <dom> zakim, aaaa is Wilhelm
15:02:42 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
15:02:50 <Zakim> +Wilhelm; got it
15:03:00 <dom> Topic: Performance test suites
15:03:12 <dom> ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
15:03:20 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0014.html Dom's report on running the tests
15:03:54 <dom> Dom: vast majority of tests didn't work on the devices I tried, except for Android
15:04:41 <Zakim> +??P63
15:04:50 <dom> ... were the devices/browsers I tried too old?
15:04:59 <Zakim> +Carmelo
15:05:00 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING]
15:05:18 <dom> Wilhelm: opposite impression - they run fine on opera mobile, but they take very long
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15:05:33 <dom> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
15:05:44 <dom> Kai: tests worked, but took ages to run
15:06:08 <dom> Wilhelm: did the test actually load on sunspider?
15:06:22 <dom> Wilhelm: HTC one crashed; iPhone took ages
15:06:27 <dom> s/Wilhelm:/Kai:/
15:06:48 <dom> Kai: maybe we should prioritize the tests to try?
15:07:09 <dom> Wilhelm: I'm running all of them - it has taken me 2 hours so far
15:07:31 <dom> Kai: ok, will get back to this - will send a message on this this week
15:07:43 <dom> ... these tests should run on mobile devices
15:09:11 <dom> Dom: we could at least improve the size of data needed to download, the memory required, the number of iterations (given that CPU are slower)
15:09:36 <dom> Kai: but it's only a matter of time before someone else release a mobile-friendly version of these tests
15:10:02 <dom> Wilhelm: new and future browsers are likely to support these tests as is
15:10:57 <dom> ACTION: Dom to blog about performance tests and mobile
15:12:02 <dom> Topic: Device Independent Testing Guidelines
15:12:27 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING]
15:12:34 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/att-0020/Guidelines_for_Writing_Moibile_Tests.html Carmelo's draft
15:12:59 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to review DI testing guielines
15:13:03 <dom> ACTION: Dom to review DI testing guielines
15:13:10 <dom> Topic: Cookies test suite
15:13:26 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
15:13:46 <dom> Wilhelm: I've started to make it usable for outside of Opera
15:13:59 <dom> ... also working on setting up a framework for Opera to release their test suites
15:14:29 <dom> Topic: Widgets test suites
15:15:57 <dom> Dom: WebApps WG interested in getting help on their testing for widgets
15:16:51 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to come back with a plan for helping test widgets specs
15:16:54 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0015.html Art's message
15:17:10 <dom> Topic: Plugin test suite
15:17:27 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test [recorded in
15:17:27 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]
15:17:58 <dom> Kai: will probably contribute an ActiveX open plugin
15:18:10 <dom> Topic: FYI: new release of SVG 1.2 Tiny test suite
15:18:29 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0013.html new release of SVG Tiny test suite
15:19:06 <dom> Topic: Next meetings
15:19:31 <dom> Dom: I'm away on Sep 23 and 30
15:19:44 <dom> zakim, ??P63 is probably dmitri
15:19:44 <Zakim> +dmitri?; got it
15:20:01 <dom> Carmelo: can take up chairing
15:20:29 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:20:30 <Zakim> -Kai
15:20:32 <Zakim> -Wilhelm
15:20:34 <Zakim> -dom
15:20:34 <Zakim> -dmitri?
15:20:34 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:20:37 <Zakim> Attendees were +47.24.16.aaaa, +95251aabb, dom, Kai, Wilhelm, Carmelo, dmitri?
15:22:51 <dom> s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
15:22:56 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:22:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html dom