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20:00:05 <Ben_> zakim, ??P0 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:00:05 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:00:10 <Ben_> zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
20:00:10 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:00:46 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
20:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.617.219.aaaa
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20:02:13 <Ben_> zakim, +1.617.219.aaaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:02:13 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
20:03:00 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
20:03:41 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:03:41 <Ben_> RRSAgent, make log world
20:03:52 <Ben_> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
20:03:52 <Zakim> Ben_, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:03:53 <Zakim> ok, Ben_; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:04:00 <Ben_> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:04:02 <Zakim> + +1.415.621.aabb
20:04:14 <Ben_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JulSep/0071.html
20:04:17 <Zakim> +??P7
20:04:22 <Ben_> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:04:27 <Ben_> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:04:29 <bengt> zakim, ??P7 is Bengt_Farre
20:04:29 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:04:59 <Ben_> Regrets: Roberto_Scano, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe
20:05:22 <Ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cooper, Tim_Boland, [IBM], +1.415.621.aabb, Bengt_Farre
20:05:24 <Zakim> Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
20:05:27 <Tim> Topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates 
20:06:01 <MichaelC> Face to Face registration: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/200810-ftf/
20:06:23 <Ben_> scribe: Tim
20:08:45 <Ben_> zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:08:45 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver; got it
20:09:15 <bengt> registered a not
20:09:36 <Ben_> zakim, +1.415.621.aabb is Alex_Li
20:09:36 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
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20:13:23 <Ben_> agenda?
20:13:45 <Ben_> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 04 Sept 2008
20:13:52 <Tim> Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 04 Sept 
20:13:54 <Ben_> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 11 Sept 2008
20:14:08 <Ben_> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:14:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 04 Sept 2008" taken up [from Ben_]
20:14:22 <Tim> Topic: 1. Implementation Issue: Div to Bypass Blocks
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20:15:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:16:03 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:16:32 <Ben_> zakim, [Microsoft] is Cynthia_Shelly
20:16:32 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:18:41 <Tim> Resolution: Accepted to remove div from the bypass blocks technique
20:21:52 <Tim> Topic: 2. Delete "Providing a second, user-selectable, audio track that includes extended ...
20:22:52 <Tim> Resolution: delete technique "providing a second, user-selectable, audio track that includes extended.."
20:23:09 <Tim> Topic: 3. Add Extended Audio Description techniques to SC 1.2.3 and SC 1.2.5
20:23:29 <Tim> Resolution: accept as proposed
20:23:54 <Tim> Topic: 4. Issue 2618: Geospatial mapping applications
20:24:38 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
20:25:28 <Tim> Topic: Issue 2619: Large Print
20:26:23 <Tim> Resolution: accept as proposed
20:27:06 <Tim> Topic: Issue 2620: "minimum" or "enhanced"?
20:32:18 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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20:48:45 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
20:49:27 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 2.4.5: Linking to all of the pages on the site from the home page ...
20:49:31 <Tim> Topic: Issue - Sufficient Technique for SC 2.4.5: Linking to all of the pages... 
20:53:48 <greggvanderheiden> In this way the home page serves as two mechanisms in one.  It provides the usual navigation to pages.  It also is a de facto site map to the site.   
20:54:38 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
20:55:12 <Ben_> zakim, close this item
20:55:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:55:13 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
20:55:14 <Zakim> 2. Miscellaneous Proposals for 11 Sept 2008 [from Ben_]
20:55:16 <Ben_> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:55:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 11 Sept 2008" taken up [from Ben_]
20:55:17 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.2: Using a control in the Web page that stops ...
20:55:26 <Tim> Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 11 Sept 2008 
20:55:50 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.2: Using a control in the Web page that stops..
20:56:57 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
20:57:04 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.2: Using a technology to include blinking ...
20:57:17 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.2: Using a technology to include blinking ...
20:58:13 <greggvanderheiden> A page contains a blinking banner intended to draw the user's attention to it."
20:58:28 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
20:58:37 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.5: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted ...
20:58:45 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.5: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted ...
21:01:19 <Tim> Resolution: tabled to end of call 
21:01:29 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 3.3.2, 3.3.5: Providing text instructions at the beginning of a form ...
21:01:49 <Tim> Topic:  Sufficient technique for SC 3.3.2, 3.3.5: Providing text instructions at the beginning of a form ...
21:02:08 <Tim> Resolution: accept as proposed
21:02:19 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 4.1.2: Using role, state, and property attributes if repurposing ...
21:02:27 <Tim> Topic:  Sufficient technique for SC 4.1.2: Using role, state, and property attributes if repurposing ...
21:10:11 <Tim> Resolution: drop this proposed sufficient technique and refer it to application note
21:11:43 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 1.4.1: Using a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and ...
21:12:10 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for SC 1.4.1: Using a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and ...
21:12:34 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
21:13:05 <awk> CAn we paste the full thing into IRC?
21:13:24 <Loretta> Using a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and providing visual cues on focus for links or controls where color alone is used to identify them
21:13:32 <greggvanderheiden> Why was this particular “medium light blue” picked? Such a specific number (there are hundreds of medium light blues to choose from) is distracting. I suggest one of the following: (1) dropping the hex reference completely; (2) explain that this value is the default color used by links for IE (maybe true, I don’t know); (3) Use a simplier value (I suggest #36c) instead.
21:13:43 <greggvanderheiden> 	regarding bruce's comment #3366CC would give a 3.9:1 ratio, so no objections here to using that instead of #2864B4. 
21:13:52 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:13:52 <greggvanderheiden> I've discussed this with several people and we reluctantly accept it.
21:13:52 <greggvanderheiden> I think we need to add several points to the understanding document.
21:13:53 <greggvanderheiden> "While using color hue only to differenciate links is sufficient to meet this success criteria, it is not the preferred technique to differentiate link text. This is because links which use hue only may not be obvious to people with black/white color blindness. If there are not a large number of links in the block of text, underlines are recommended for links."
21:13:53 <greggvanderheiden> In the UA notes we should add:
21:13:54 <greggvanderheiden> "While assistive technology or web browsers could at some point provide an option to underline all links on web pages for users, this is not currently the case ."
21:14:35 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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21:17:20 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
21:20:37 <Zakim> +Alex_Li.a
21:20:39 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
21:20:58 <greggvanderheiden> "If assistive technology or web browsers at some point all provide an option to underline all links on web pages for users, this could be used instead of an author provided link highlighting mechanism."
21:25:59 <Tim> Resolution: accept as amended
21:26:04 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 1.4.1: Ensuring that additional visual cues are available when ...
21:26:12 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for SC 1.4.1: Ensuring that additional visual cues are available when ...
21:27:07 <Tim> Resolution: accept as proposed
21:28:00 <greggvanderheiden> Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.5: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted ...
21:28:35 <Tim> Resolution: "Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.5: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted ..." back up for discussion 
21:34:03 <Tim> Resolution: accepting "Sufficient technique for SC 2.2.5: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted ..." as amended
21:40:17 <cynthia> url you're looking at?
21:40:59 <Loretta> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Undrafted_Sufficient_Techniques
21:41:03 <Andi> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Undrafted_Sufficient_Techniques
22:01:47 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:13:31 <cynthia> this is the parent for bubble help and popup defintions http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_a_hidden_link_to_show_and_hide_a_supplemental_information_area
22:14:13 <cynthia> and this is the working sample http://trace.wisc.edu/~caldwell/w3cdemo/HoverPopup/default.htm
22:17:00 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:22:26 <Loretta> Cynthia, I can't get to that survey right now.
22:22:48 <Loretta> I'll make it current again when the system stabilizes
22:23:57 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:24:00 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:24:02 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:24:02 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:24:04 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
22:24:04 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
22:24:07 <Zakim> -Cooper
22:24:09 <Zakim> -Alex_Li.a
22:24:09 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
22:24:09 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
22:24:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly,
22:24:13 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver
22:25:37 <Ben_> Present: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly,01 Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver
22:25:43 <Ben_> zakim, close this item
22:25:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
22:25:44 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
22:25:51 <Ben_> zakim, bye
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22:25:55 <Ben_> RRSagent, pointer?
22:25:55 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-55
22:25:59 <Ben_> RRSAgent, bye
22:25:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items