IRC log of tt on 2008-09-10
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- Zakim, this will be DFXP
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- ok, trackbot; I see W3C_(VITW)12:00PM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 10 September 2008
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- Chair: David
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- ScribeNick: plh
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- test test
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- worky
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- Topic: Introduction
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- [going around the table]
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- Regrets: Dick
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- ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text
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- Created ACTION-1 - Contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
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- Topic: Scribe
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- next scribe will be Goeff
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- Topic: Next meeting
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- David: next week, same day, same time
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- Glen: I'm in GMT+8
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- ... 7AM or 8AM in Boston would be better for me
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- Goeff: I could do 7AM, but 7:30AM
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- Philippe: can't do 8AM on Wednesdays
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- ... but could on Fridays
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- Resolution: Friday, 9AM US/Eastern
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- ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakimm bridge
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- Created ACTION-2 - Book the Zakimm bridge [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
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- Topic: Resources
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- http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status
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- Philippe: WGBH, Microsoft, BBC need to rejoin the Group
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- Geoff: screen subtitling might want to have them as invited expert
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- Philippe: what about IP?
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- Glen: they had no knowledge in the past, and they can provide a letter
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- Philippe: sounds ok to me then
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- David: EBU was also involved in the past
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- franz de jong
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- Sean: also been active in SMPTE as well
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- ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong
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- Created ACTION-3 - Follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
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- ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling
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- Created ACTION-4 - Follow up with Screen Subtitling [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
- 16:35:53 [sean]
- action on John Birch?
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - on
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- Topic: Editing
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- Philippe and Glen should sync up
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- Glen will remain as editor
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- Topic: WG schedule
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- David: tight schedule!
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- Topic: Face-to-face meetings
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- Sean: unless we have a huge influx of new people, we don't really need one. Maybe after Last Call.
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- Topic: Initial work
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- David: Goeff, any thoughts about the dynamic flow processing?
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- Goeff: I do, but need to post on the list
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- ACTION: Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - Goeff
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- trackbot, status
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- ACTION: Philippe to remain Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing
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- Created ACTION-5 - Remain Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
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- s/Remain/Remind/
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- Glen: we spent time defining set of features. If we can agree on those sets, we can document that for a presentation processor
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- ... we can include an other profile that includes all of the features
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- ... we can also list the requirements for processors
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- ... don't try to remove features from the spec but instead keep them and classify them into compliance mode
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- i think the problem is in the spelling of my name: GEOFF, nor GOEFF
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- Philippe: we ought to remove features that are not implemented
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- Glen: some features were adopted from CSS and XSL, like bidi
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- ... not of the existing processors support those
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- ... but there are many other types of processors that implement those
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- ... in the general case, there are implementations of those features
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- ... what is the goal?
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- Philippe: implementation status of DFXP
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- David: there is also a role as an interchange format
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- ... we need to be clear on what it mean to be an implementation
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- Glen: we can easily transform all the features in a target format
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- ... but it may be difficult to produce a presentation processor for all of them
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- Philippe: agreed, we'll need to match our implementation requirements with our compliance mode(s).
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- David: indeed, the presentation role will include a subset of the features
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- Glen: there are many specifications that do not have presentation processors.
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- ... conformance requirements for Unicode, but not requirements for Unicode to have all characters being displayed.
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- ... for features that we identify as information interchange, we define them in semantic terms and we transform those into alternative representations
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- David: I wonder if we can use the CSS test suite...
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- Goeff: is the requirement is "to be transformed" or "to be transformed and displayed"?
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- Glen: HTML if you recall does not define the rendering
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- ... it would be a disservice to remove features just because we couldn't implement a presentator processor
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- ... we need a good definition for features and implementations, make a compelling case for that, and act along those lines
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- ... as long as the feature can be transformed semantically should be sufficient
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- David: we need to check that the feature has been correctly transformed
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- Sean: as homework, let's all take a look at the features and classify them "presentation" or "transformation" role
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- Glen: I did this in the past
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- ... will dig this out
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- ... the only feature I'm uncomfortable with is the dynamic flow text
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- ... if we modify it, I could be more comfortable with it
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- David: what implementations of DFXP do we have out there?
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- ... Goeff Magpy, Microsoft work, BBC work, World Airline entertainment association?, ...
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- Goeff: I'll put a list together for next week
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- David: also one open source software seems to support DFXP
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- Philippe: tests/test suite?
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- Glen: My previous company did put together a test suite in the past
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- ACTION: Glen to git out the test suite/tests
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - Glen
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- ACTION: Philippe to remind Glen about tests/test suite
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- Created ACTION-6 - Remind Glen about tests/test suite [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
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- -WGBH?
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- [adjourned]
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- Attendees were +0154558aaaa, +1.978.852.aabb, +0154558aacc, +1.617.300.aadd, Plh, Sean, David, Glen
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- rrsagent, where am I?
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