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13:55:06 <marc> zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG
13:55:06 <Zakim> ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:56:35 <cgi-irc> hello marc
13:56:48 <cgi-irc> just you and me then?
13:57:25 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:32 <Zakim> +??P3
13:57:49 <cgi-irc> zakim, I am +??P3
13:57:49 <Zakim> sorry, cgi-irc, I do not see a party named '+??P3'
13:58:01 <marc> cgi-irc, who are you?
13:58:17 <cgi-irc> oops
13:58:26 <Idoia> Idoia has joined #emotion
13:58:31 <Bjoern> Bjoern has joined #emotion
13:58:47 <marc> Hi Björn!
13:58:52 <Ian> Ian has joined #emotion
13:59:06 <Idoia> Hi all!
13:59:10 <Ian> zakim, I am +??P3
13:59:10 <Zakim> sorry, Ian, I do not see a party named '+??P3'
13:59:23 <Zakim> + +04989aaaa
13:59:44 <Zakim> +??P7
13:59:45 <Zakim> +??P9
13:59:54 <Bjoern> Zakim, I am aaaa
13:59:54 <Zakim> +Bjoern; got it
14:00:03 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia
14:00:24 <Christian> Christian has joined #emotion
14:01:01 <paolo> paolo has joined #emotion
14:01:01 <Zakim> +Myriam_Arrue
14:01:05 <marc> zakim, who is speaking?
14:01:10 <paolo> zakim, who is here?
14:01:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, Bjoern, ??P7, ??P9 (muted), Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue
14:01:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Christian, Ian, Bjoern, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, trackbot
14:01:15 <Zakim> marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P7 (95%), Myriam_Arrue (20%)
14:01:29 <Zakim> + +0160372aabb
14:01:29 <Ian> zakim, i am P3
14:01:29 <marc> zakim, I am ??P7
14:01:33 <Zakim> sorry, Ian, I do not see a party named 'P3'
14:01:37 <Zakim> +marc; got it
14:01:41 <paolo> zakim, Paolo_Baggia is Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
14:01:42 <Ian> zakim, i am ??P3
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato; got it
14:01:47 <Zakim> +Ian; got it
14:01:49 <felix> felix has joined #emotion
14:01:54 <paolo> zakim, who is here?
14:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ian, Bjoern, marc, ??P9 (muted), Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, Myriam_Arrue, +0160372aabb
14:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see felix, paolo, Christian, Ian, Bjoern, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, trackbot
14:02:11 <marc> zakim, ??P9 is Jianhua
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Jianhua; got it
14:03:02 <Idoia> myriam arrue is Idoia and Nestor
14:03:15 <marc> zakim, aabb is AndyBreen
14:03:17 <Zakim> +AndyBreen; got it
14:04:57 <Zakim> +felix
14:05:32 <Zakim> + +49.381.402.aacc
14:05:46 <marc> zakim, aacc is Christian
14:05:46 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
14:05:58 <paolo> Scribe: Paolo_Baggia
14:06:42 <paolo> Chair: Marc_Schroeder
14:07:17 <paolo> Topic: Discussion on continuation
14:07:42 <paolo> Topic: Discussion on continuation
14:08:53 <paolo> Christian: I'd like to continue
14:09:10 <Ian> I also think the sub group would be fine
14:09:26 <paolo> marc: I don't see why to be another subgroup
14:09:28 <Bjoern> so do I and would clearly like to continue.
14:09:45 <paolo> marc: Maybe issues on Patents
14:10:04 <paolo> marc: There is policy in W3C, to disclose patent
14:11:14 <paolo> paolo: Yes there are patent issues,
14:11:33 <Zakim> + +1.512.567.aadd
14:11:42 <paolo> marc: risk people in MMI that already have patents
14:11:53 <marc> zakim, aadd is BillJarrold
14:11:53 <Zakim> +BillJarrold; got it
14:12:14 <paolo> Christian: Can try the MMI way and afterwards to follow another option
14:13:11 <marc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Jul/0013.html
14:13:45 <paolo> Topic: Core 1 and Core 6 discussion
14:14:32 <paolo> Bjoern: different proposals
14:14:58 <paolo> ... proposal 1 similar to other
14:15:26 <paolo> ... Marc elegant proposal
14:16:14 <paolo> ... variant 2: allows many levels and sets
14:16:37 <Zakim> -marc
14:17:17 <Zakim> +??P2
14:17:28 <marc> zakim, I am ??P2
14:17:28 <Zakim> +marc; got it
14:18:06 <marc> <mood>
14:18:06 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
14:18:07 <marc> </mood>
14:18:42 <marc> <mood emotion-related-state-types="Scherer">
14:18:43 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
14:18:43 <marc> </mood>
14:19:12 <Zakim> -Jianhua
14:21:49 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:22:15 <paolo1> Scribe: paolo1
14:22:25 <paolo1> Marc: example with element mood
14:24:45 <marc> <emotion type="mood" emotion-related-state-types="Scherer">
14:24:46 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
14:24:46 <marc> </emotion>
14:28:26 <marc> zakim, who is talking?
14:28:37 <Zakim> marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christian (4%)
14:28:49 <Zakim> -BillJarrold
14:30:01 <paolo> paolo has joined #emotion
14:30:40 <Zakim> +BillJarrold
14:30:43 <marc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0004.html
14:33:16 <Ian> I prefer variant 5
14:36:41 <Bjoern> agrees with leaving open variant 4 or 5 for now.
14:37:18 <Idoia> we also prefer variant 4 or 5
14:37:34 <Bjoern> yes.
14:37:39 <Ian> yes
14:37:46 <Christian> Christian prefers variant 5 with thinking about the name of the 1st level tag (emotion/affect/emotion-related-state/ers...)
14:38:24 <marc> Core 6
14:38:34 <marc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0005.html
14:39:35 <Bjoern> <complex-affect>
14:39:41 <Bjoern>   <affect>
14:39:49 <Bjoern>     <category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:39:56 <Bjoern>     <affect>
14:40:02 <Bjoern>       <category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />
14:40:09 <Bjoern>     </affect>
14:40:16 <Bjoern>   </affect>
14:41:30 <Bjoern> variant 2
14:41:40 <Bjoern>   <affect id=1>
14:41:46 <Bjoern>     <related link="#2" />
14:41:52 <Bjoern>     <category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:41:58 <Ian> yes
14:41:59 <Bjoern>     <affect>
14:42:08 <Bjoern>       <category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />
14:42:14 <Bjoern>     </affect>
14:42:20 <Bjoern>   </affect>
14:42:27 <Bjoern>   <affect id=2>
14:42:34 <Bjoern>     <related link="#1" />
14:42:41 <Bjoern>     <category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:42:47 <Bjoern>     <affect>
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14:42:57 <Bjoern>       <category set="everyday" name="anger" confidence="0.9" />
14:43:03 <Bjoern>     </affect>
14:43:09 <Bjoern>   </affect>
14:46:29 <Zakim> -??P7
14:49:36 <felix> cant we simply allow more than one category per „affect“?
14:49:43 <felix> eg <affect> <cat name=“sad“/><cat name=“anger“/></affect>
14:52:39 <Zakim> +??P17
14:56:39 <Christian> christian wonders why time information is not sufficient. If two emotions overlap in time they overlap is complex
14:57:15 <Christian> we could add an attribut isComplex=true to those emotions to make it more explicit
15:00:45 <Zakim> -AndyBreen
15:00:56 <Zakim> -Ian
15:01:00 <Zakim> -felix
15:01:02 <Zakim> -BillJarrold
15:01:04 <Zakim> -Bjoern
15:01:04 <felix> bye
15:01:06 <Zakim> -Christian
15:01:08 <Zakim> -Myriam_Arrue
15:01:09 <Idoia> bye
15:01:12 <Zakim> -??P17
15:01:53 <Christian> just one more thought from Christian: Making it explicit might make it more easy for human readers to find overlaps
15:02:32 <Christian> and possibly also faster for parsers (looking for an attribute might be less expensive than calculating times)
15:02:34 <Zakim> -Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:02:46 <Zakim> -marc
15:02:46 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended
15:02:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +04989aaaa, Bjoern, Myriam_Arrue, +0160372aabb, marc, Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, Ian, Jianhua, AndyBreen, felix, +49.381.402.aacc, Christian, +1.512.567.aadd,
15:02:50 <Zakim> ... BillJarrold
15:02:56 <Christian> okay 
15:02:58 <Christian> bye
15:06:19 <marc> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-emotion-minutes.html marc
15:06:54 <marc> rrsagent, make logs public
15:08:04 <marc> rrsagent, bye
15:08:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items