IRC log of egov on 2008-09-03
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be EGOV
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- ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
- 12:56:30 [trackbot]
- Date: 03 September 2008
- 12:56:51 [josema]
- agenda+ Convene, agenda adjustments
- 12:57:01 [josema]
- agenda+ Introductions - new people onboard
- 12:57:14 [josema]
- agenda+ Review of open action items
- 12:57:26 [josema]
- agenda+ Face to Face Meeting
- 12:57:42 [josema]
- agenda+ Compilation of Use Cases + Group Outline
- 12:57:44 [Zakim]
- T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
- 12:57:51 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 12:58:01 [josema]
- agenda+ Group Activity Plan
- 12:58:15 [josema]
- agenda+ Liaisons: review
- 12:58:21 [josema]
- agenda?
- 12:58:36 [Zakim]
- +Josema
- 12:59:48 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 13:00:13 [Zakim]
- -??P9
- 13:00:33 [Zakim]
- + +1.301.455.aaaa
- 13:01:00 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 13:01:19 [Zakim]
- + +39.25.aabb
- 13:01:32 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.731.aacc
- 13:01:42 [Beng]
- zakim +39.25.aabb is Beng
- 13:01:59 [Zakim]
- - +1.301.455.aaaa
- 13:02:19 [Zakim]
- + +1.509.464.aadd
- 13:02:20 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.256.aaee
- 13:02:34 [kjetil]
- Zakim, code?
- 13:02:34 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
- 13:03:09 [josema]
- zakim, aabb is Benjamin
- 13:03:10 [Zakim]
- +Benjamin; got it
- 13:03:31 [josema]
- zakim, aacc is kevin
- 13:03:31 [Zakim]
- +kevin; got it
- 13:03:40 [Zakim]
- + +1.301.384.aaff
- 13:04:02 [josema]
- zakim, aaff is Owen
- 13:04:02 [Zakim]
- +Owen; got it
- 13:04:44 [josema]
- zakim, who's here?
- 13:04:44 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, ??P9, Benjamin, kevin, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, Owen
- 13:04:46 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Beng, pasquale, darobin, josema, kjetil, trackbot
- 13:05:07 [josema]
- kjetil, are you around?
- 13:05:15 [josema]
- you are supposed to scribe today
- 13:05:23 [kjetil]
- josema, yeah, but phone problems
- 13:05:54 [josema]
- scribe: josema
- 13:06:04 [josema]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 13:06:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
- 13:06:33 [josema]
- kevin: welcome everybody, thanks for coming
- 13:07:51 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 13:07:58 [kjetil]
- Zakim, ??P18
- 13:07:58 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P18', kjetil
- 13:08:02 [kjetil]
- Zakim, ??P18 is me
- 13:08:02 [Zakim]
- +kjetil; got it
- 13:08:27 [josema]
- scribe: kjetil
- 13:08:29 [kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
- 13:08:29 [Zakim]
- kjetil should now be muted
- 13:08:53 [Beng]
- Zakim, Benjamin is Beng
- 13:08:53 [Zakim]
- +Beng; got it
- 13:10:28 [josema]
- [introducing new Members]
- 13:10:55 [josema]
- [Tanya, John not here, jose and Kevin give short intro]
- 13:11:33 [kjetil]
- John runs the openhouse project
- 13:11:43 [josema]
- [Ari mentions Openhouse project by Sunlight]
- 13:13:04 [josema]
- [Trond introduces himself]
- 13:13:05 [kjetil]
- Representative from Oracle
- 13:13:29 [kjetil]
- has previously worked for the European Commission
- 13:13:43 [kjetil]
- josema: Martijn is not around either
- 13:15:35 [kjetil]
- josema: I got regrets from a few people, but not all, so it is difficult to know who is on the call
- 13:15:51 [kjetil]
- josema: please send us your regrets to the mailing list, or the chairs
- 13:16:52 [kjetil]
- josema: we have to pre-book ports on the conference system, so please let us know a little in advance
- 13:17:18 [josema]
- zakim, move to next agendum
- 13:17:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Introductions - new people onboard" taken up [from josema]
- 13:17:22 [josema]
- zakim, move to next agendum
- 13:17:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 was just opened, josema
- 13:17:29 [josema]
- zakim, close this agendum
- 13:17:29 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 13:17:30 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:17:31 [Zakim]
- 3. Review of open action items [from josema]
- 13:17:32 [josema]
- zakim, move to next agendum
- 13:17:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Review of open action items" taken up [from josema]
- 13:17:40 [josema]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
- 13:18:26 [kjetil]
- josema: mentions some long acronyms we should be in touch with
- 13:18:47 [kjetil]
- josema: we are charted to find ways to cooperate
- 13:19:28 [kjetil]
- Zakim: who is talking?
- 13:19:35 [josema]
- s/charted/chartered
- 13:19:44 [chris]
- chris has joined #egov
- 13:19:59 [kjetil]
- right
- 13:20:22 [josema]
- [reviewing liaisons here]
- 13:20:41 [kjetil]
- Kevin is reporting on ongoing efforts to establish collaborations
- 13:20:52 [josema]
- [potential joint event with OASIS in March in DC]
- 13:21:11 [josema]
- [The World Bank could provide room and some logistics]
- 13:21:13 [Zakim]
- +??P19
- 13:21:15 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.488.aagg
- 13:21:42 [josema]
- [late March]
- 13:22:00 [josema]
- zakim, whos's noisy
- 13:22:00 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'whos's noisy', josema
- 13:22:04 [josema]
- zakim, who's noisy
- 13:22:04 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's noisy', josema
- 13:22:08 [josema]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 13:22:09 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is talking?
- 13:22:18 [Zakim]
- josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (24%), kevin (91%), ??P19 (20%)
- 13:22:26 [josema]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:22:26 [Zakim]
- Josema should now be muted
- 13:22:29 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (14%), kevin (50%), ??P19 (35%), +1.202.488.aagg (5%)
- 13:23:14 [josema]
- [talked about funding, they are putting together an internal proposal??]
- 13:23:26 [josema]
- [talked about open standards and the use in their projects]
- 13:23:45 [josema]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 13:23:55 [Zakim]
- josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kevin (90%), ??P19 (54%)
- 13:24:04 [josema]
- zakim, who is ??P19
- 13:24:04 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is ??P19', josema
- 13:24:09 [chris]
- i'm on
- 13:24:17 [josema]
- zakim, mute ??P19
- 13:24:17 [Zakim]
- ??P19 should now be muted
- 13:24:28 [kjetil]
- Zakim, ??P19 is chris
- 13:24:28 [Zakim]
- +chris; got it
- 13:24:33 [kjetil]
- right?
- 13:24:41 [josema]
- hope so
- 13:24:46 [chris]
- not sure
- 13:24:59 [josema]
- maybe aagg
- 13:25:13 [josema]
- chris, is your number +1.202.488--something
- 13:25:16 [josema]
- ?
- 13:25:32 [chris]
- yes, that's me. i'm on mute
- 13:25:35 [kjetil]
- Kevin will be speaking with government official in late sept
- 13:25:35 [josema]
- [kevin to speak at FIRM event on September, 24th]
- 13:25:57 [josema]
- zakim, aagg is chris
- 13:25:57 [Zakim]
- +chris; got it
- 13:26:41 [josema]
- ack me
- 13:27:33 [kjetil]
- Zakim, unmute ??P19
- 13:27:33 [Zakim]
- sorry, kjetil, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P19
- 13:28:29 [kjetil]
- josema: let us look at wikis for the TF's, lets also hear their leaders
- 13:29:10 [kjetil]
- Kevin: before we do that, let us go back to the workshop in spring
- 13:29:24 [kjetil]
- Kevin: what should that look like?
- 13:29:37 [josema]
- agenda?
- 13:30:14 [josema]
- agenda?
- 13:30:28 [josema]
- zakim, close agendum 3
- 13:30:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, Review of open action items, closed
- 13:30:29 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:30:30 [Zakim]
- 4. Face to Face Meeting [from josema]
- 13:30:39 [kjetil]
- kevin: we are allready two weeks into the time span for this group, and we need to speed up now
- 13:30:57 [josema]
- s/allready/already
- 13:31:12 [josema]
- ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/GroupOutline Group Outline
- 13:31:30 [josema]
- ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ActivityPlan Activity Plan
- 13:32:46 [josema]
- [kevin reviews plan]
- 13:33:44 [josema]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:33:44 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, ??P9, Beng, kevin, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, Owen, kjetil (muted), chris (muted), chris.a
- 13:33:46 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see chris, Zakim, RRSAgent, Beng, pasquale, darobin, josema, kjetil, trackbot
- 13:33:58 [josema]
- zakim, aadd is Rachel
- 13:33:58 [Zakim]
- +Rachel; got it
- 13:34:23 [ari]
- ari has joined #egov
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- - +1.202.256.aaee
- 13:35:06 [Zakim]
- +CDT
- 13:35:17 [josema]
- zakim, CDT is Ari
- 13:35:17 [Zakim]
- +Ari; got it
- 13:35:42 [josema]
- yes, we need feedback!!
- 13:36:09 [josema]
- we need the expertise from the Group
- 13:37:42 [kjetil]
- chris: I would like to review the group activity and align that with the actions for the task force
- 13:38:15 [kjetil]
- josema: these plans are not fixed, they are food for thought
- 13:39:01 [kjetil]
- josema: we are trying to find out what the eGov Activity should be, not just for the present IG
- 13:39:20 [kjetil]
- josema: there are lots of questions about what we should do
- 13:40:01 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:40:11 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (25%), Josema (4%)
- 13:41:07 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:41:17 [Zakim]
- -kevin
- 13:41:18 [josema]
- [kevin leaves call]
- 13:41:18 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (45%), Josema (30%), kevin (19%)
- 13:41:31 [josema]
- zakim, mute Katie
- 13:41:31 [Zakim]
- Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted
- 13:42:25 [kjetil]
- josema: there is an article in ?? from some guys at Princeton about open government
- 13:42:48 [kjetil]
- josema: it got a lot of attention, in blogs and so on
- 13:43:08 [kjetil]
- josema: the govt should stop publishing websites and focus on publishing data
- 13:43:25 [kjetil]
- josema: to use by persons and organisations
- 13:43:28 [Zakim]
- -Beng
- 13:44:08 [kjetil]
- josema: we will send the reference, when I have it handy
- 13:44:20 [kjetil]
- josema: if anybody has it handy, please send it to the group list?
- 13:44:46 [josema]
- agenda?
- 13:44:48 [kjetil]
- josema: I will try to find it
- 13:44:57 [Zakim]
- +Beng
- 13:45:52 [kjetil]
- josema: task force chairs: what do you expect from your task force?
- 13:46:34 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is talking?
- 13:46:45 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (4%), chris.a (76%)
- 13:47:43 [kjetil]
- chris.a: I have heard from some individuals about interest in the TF
- 13:48:46 [kjetil]
- ... I will be updating the use case documents
- 13:50:01 [kjetil]
- josema: I have been reviewing guidelines from several countries
- 13:50:23 [kjetil]
- josema: some countries say "follow these specs, this performance level" and so on
- 13:50:28 [pasquale]
- sorry, I am not able to continue, hi all
- 13:50:38 [kjetil]
- josema: several countries have been working on this
- 13:51:06 [kjetil]
- josema: would it be interesting to compile "the best of the best"?
- 13:51:23 [kjetil]
- chris.a: Yeah, I think that would be very interesting
- 13:51:32 [josema]
- zakim, is rachel here?
- 13:51:32 [Zakim]
- probably, josema; Rachel arrived 49 minutes ago
- 13:52:17 [kjetil]
- josema: Rachel: if the group would produce that, would it be useful for you?
- 13:52:37 [kjetil]
- Rachel: the guiding principles are
- 13:52:48 [kjetil]
- we have documented a lot of practices
- 13:53:22 [kjetil]
- the more we can do the same way not only in the US, but all over the world, the better it is
- 13:54:01 [kjetil]
- josema: I hope a lot of people will send you email about joining this TF effort
- 13:54:08 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is talking?
- 13:54:12 [josema]
- september... I'm full of energy :)
- 13:54:19 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (33%), Ari (100%)
- 13:54:57 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 13:55:24 [kjetil]
- ari: please put up the things that you read and find interesting to the wiki
- 13:55:39 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 13:55:43 [kjetil]
- josema: how do you envision the TF work?
- 13:56:34 [kjetil]
- ari: the goal is to find out how open standards are used to gain transparancy, and where are the gaps
- 13:56:58 [kjetil]
- ari: the short term goals is to find out what's out there
- 13:57:18 [josema]
- agenda?
- 13:57:46 [kjetil]
- josema: any other commentS?
- 13:58:23 [josema]
- zakim, close this agendum
- 13:58:23 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 closed
- 13:58:24 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:58:27 [Zakim]
- 4. Face to Face Meeting [from josema]
- 13:58:58 [kjetil]
- josema: let us talk about IG Notes
- 13:59:11 [kjetil]
- josema: we are supposed to produce one for each TF
- 14:00:36 [kjetil]
- josema: we have two months to produce those
- 14:01:30 [kjetil]
- josema: we are supposed to be doing that right now, and we have not really started
- 14:01:45 [kjetil]
- josema: I will try to push a little bit
- 14:02:45 [kjetil]
- josema: I will try to help with the W3C editing principles, which are not very hard, but they are there, and involve valid (X)HTML
- 14:02:57 [kjetil]
- josema: we have very tight deadlines now
- 14:03:16 [josema]
- move to next agendum
- 14:03:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Face to Face Meeting" taken up [from josema]
- 14:03:37 [kjetil]
- josema: I sent an email about the F2F meeting
- 14:03:57 [kjetil]
- josema: the meeting is in a hotel near Cannes
- 14:04:32 [kjetil]
- josema: the discount rate expires on next monday
- 14:04:42 [Beng]
- jose's mail is : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Aug/0004.html
- 14:04:54 [kjetil]
- josema: there are other hotels of course
- 14:05:11 [kjetil]
- josema: the deadline for the meeting is sept 28
- 14:05:49 [kjetil]
- josema: this is the TPAC, the Technical Plenary, which is the main W3C technical meeting
- 14:06:07 [kjetil]
- josema: it is one of the best meetings in the year, highly recommended
- 14:06:29 [kjetil]
- josema: if we need to interact with other groups, the best experts will be there
- 14:07:00 [kjetil]
- josema: most meetings are open to observers, so you may join other meetings
- 14:07:43 [kjetil]
- josema: this is very useful to learn technologies, and all the experts are there
- 14:08:57 [kjetil]
- Important dates: sept 8th and sept 28th
- 14:09:04 [josema]
- agenda?
- 14:09:06 [kjetil]
- josema: any questions?
- 14:09:41 [kjetil]
- Zakim: unmute me
- 14:09:47 [kjetil]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:09:47 [Zakim]
- kjetil should no longer be muted
- 14:10:03 [kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:10:03 [Zakim]
- kjetil should now be muted
- 14:10:04 [josema]
- agenda?
- 14:10:22 [josema]
- move to next agendum
- 14:10:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Group Activity Plan" taken up [from josema]
- 14:11:32 [josema]
- close this agendum
- 14:11:36 [josema]
- move to next agendum
- 14:11:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Liaisons: review" taken up [from josema]
- 14:12:04 [kjetil]
- josema: Kevin allready mentioned OASIS and the World Bank
- 14:12:37 [kjetil]
- josema: we are in a state where we try to gain more knowledge about each other
- 14:12:50 [kjetil]
- josema: we will return to the group with reports
- 14:13:15 [josema]
- http://www.semic.eu
- 14:13:20 [kjetil]
- josema: we have had some interest from the Semantic Interoperability in Europe
- 14:13:45 [kjetil]
- josema: this is especially relevant to data integration
- 14:13:59 [kjetil]
- josema: we will meet with the project in Brussels
- 14:14:09 [kjetil]
- josema: how do we see that vision
- 14:14:56 [kjetil]
- josema: they are planning to compile a repository of "interoperability assets"
- 14:15:16 [kjetil]
- josema: I will find out more about this in two weeks from now in the meeting
- 14:15:31 [kjetil]
- Zakim, who is talking?
- 14:15:42 [Zakim]
- kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (9%)
- 14:16:16 [kjetil]
- Trond: it is a very interesting project, with large challenges
- 14:16:54 [josema]
- ->http://www.w3.org/2004/ontaria/ Ontaria
- 14:17:32 [kjetil]
- josema: Ontaria was a related W3C project
- 14:18:19 [kjetil]
- josema: that project is stopped, probably due to lack of funding
- 14:18:49 [kjetil]
- josema: I will try to find out more
- 14:19:26 [josema]
- agenda?
- 14:19:31 [kjetil]
- q+
- 14:19:34 [josema]
- close this agendum
- 14:19:42 [kjetil]
- ack me
- 14:21:12 [kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:21:12 [Zakim]
- kjetil should now be muted
- 14:21:20 [kjetil]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:21:20 [Zakim]
- kjetil should no longer be muted
- 14:22:06 [Zakim]
- -Josema
- 14:22:11 [kjetil]
- kjetil: mentioned the liasons established by computas
- 14:22:13 [josema]
- I lost my phone connection :(
- 14:22:30 [josema]
- zakim, call josema-office
- 14:22:31 [Zakim]
- ok, josema; the call is being made
- 14:22:32 [Zakim]
- +Josema
- 14:22:41 [kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:22:41 [Zakim]
- kjetil should now be muted
- 14:23:09 [kjetil]
- josema: any further questions?
- 14:23:34 [kjetil]
- josema: please take a look at the documents
- 14:23:40 [kjetil]
- josema: we're ADJOURNED
- 14:23:47 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 14:23:48 [kjetil]
- josema: thank you all!
- 14:23:49 [Zakim]
- -Ari
- 14:23:50 [Zakim]
- -Owen
- 14:23:51 [Zakim]
- -??P9
- 14:23:52 [Zakim]
- -chris
- 14:23:53 [Zakim]
- -chris.a
- 14:23:55 [Zakim]
- -Rachel
- 14:23:55 [Zakim]
- -kjetil
- 14:24:00 [Zakim]
- -Beng
- 14:24:07 [Beng]
- Beng has left #egov
- 14:24:10 [josema]
- thanks all for particippating today
- 14:24:18 [josema]
- thanks kjetil for scribing!
- 14:24:25 [Zakim]
- -Josema
- 14:24:27 [Zakim]
- T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
- 14:24:28 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, +1.301.455.aaaa, +39.25.aabb, +1.202.731.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, kevin, +1.301.384.aaff, Owen, kjetil, Beng,
- 14:24:30 [Zakim]
- ... +1.202.488.aagg, chris, Rachel, Ari
- 14:24:35 [josema]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 14:24:35 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/03-egov-minutes.html josema
- 14:24:44 [josema]
- RRSAgent, list attendees
- 14:24:44 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 14:24:58 [josema]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 14:24:58 [Zakim]
- sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:17:03 [josema]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:17:03 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items