IRC log of bpwg on 2008-08-28

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

13:44:41 [trackbot]

Date: 28 August 2008

13:44:49 [dom]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0030.html

13:44:50 [dom]

Chair: Jo

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Regrets: Francois, Adam, Manrique, Murari, AlanC, Scott, Pontus, EdM

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started

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+??P4

13:57:34 [jeffs]

zakim, jeffs is P4

13:57:34 [Zakim]

sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'jeffs'

13:57:47 [jeffs]

zakim, P4 is jeffs

13:57:47 [Zakim]

sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

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13:59:06 [jeffs]

zakim jeffs has P4

13:59:16 [jeffs]

zakim, jeffs has P4

13:59:16 [Zakim]

sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'jeffs'

14:00:01 [jeffs]

zakim, ??P4 is jeffs

14:00:01 [Zakim]

+jeffs; got it

14:00:50 [jeffs]

zakim, who is making noise

14:00:50 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is making noise', jeffs

14:01:02 [jeffs]

zakim, noise

14:01:09 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'noise', jeffs

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14:01:28 [dom]

zakim, code?

14:01:28 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

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+DKA

14:02:00 [DKA]

hi all

14:02:09 [DKA]

yes very thanks!

14:02:23 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs, DKA

14:02:24 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:02:25 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:02:29 [jeffs]

zakim, mute me please

14:02:29 [Zakim]

jeffs should now be muted

14:02:33 [dom]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:02:36 [Zakim]

+dom; got it

14:03:17 [Zakim]

+ +049211aaaa

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+??P25

14:03:29 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:29 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, ??P25

14:03:30 [yeliz]

zakim, ??P25 is yeliz

14:03:30 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:03:32 [Zakim]

+yeliz; got it

14:03:39 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz

14:03:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:03:43 [yeliz]

zakim, mute me

14:03:46 [Zakim]

+jo

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yeliz should now be muted

14:03:52 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:04:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz (muted), jo

14:04:06 [hgerlach]

hgerlach is on the phone as well

14:04:18 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:04:20 [DKA]

Zakim, aaaa is hgerlach

14:04:23 [jo]

zakim, aaaa is probably hgerlach

14:04:34 [Zakim]

+hgerlach; got it

14:04:38 [Zakim]

sorry, jo, I do not understand your question

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+ +0207287aabb

14:05:13 [dom]

zakim, who's on the call?

14:05:13 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, +0207287aabb

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+??P35

14:06:00 [jeffs]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0030.html

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-dom

14:06:15 [DKA]

zakim, aabb is rob_finean

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+rob_finean; got it

14:06:24 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:06:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, rob_finean, ??P35

14:06:26 [Zakim]

On IRC I see rob, hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:06:47 [DKA]

zakim, ??p35 is drooks

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+drooks; got it

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+ +95251aacc

14:07:04 [dom]

zakim, aacc is me

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+dom; got it

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+Kai_Dietrich

14:07:33 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:07:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, rob_finean, drooks, dom, Kai_Dietrich

14:07:36 [Zakim]

On IRC I see rob, hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom

14:08:03 [DKA]

Scribe: Dan

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ScribeNick: DKA

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+1

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Topic: Welcome back

14:09:06 [DKA]

Topic: CT Taskforce Report

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Jo: I'll give this report. We're in LC for the CT guidelines. There's been some discussion on the document - quite a lot of which has been quite useful.

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+ +03498429aadd

14:11:00 [DKA]

Jo: anyone want to bring up any points that have come out on the public feedback?

14:11:00 [nacho]

zakim, aadd is me

14:11:00 [Zakim]

+nacho; got it

14:11:33 [DKA]

Jo: We'll leave it to the CT task force to consider those points and respond appropriately.

14:11:34 [nacho]

zakim, abel is with me

14:11:34 [Zakim]

+abel; got it

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+ +1.630.414.aaee

14:11:42 [DKA]

Topic: Korean TF

14:11:42 [nacho]

zakim, miguel is also with me

14:11:42 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'miguel is also with me', nacho

14:11:45 [SeanP]

zakim, aaee is me

14:11:45 [Zakim]

+SeanP; got it

14:11:47 [nacho]

zakim, miguel is with me

14:11:47 [Zakim]

+miguel; got it

14:11:58 [DKA]

Jo: We'll skip for the time being since no rep.

14:12:02 [DKA]

Topic: Checker TF

14:12:07 [DKA]

Jo: Any updates?

14:12:28 [DKA]

Abel: we have some updates pending - updates of the documentation - but nothing signifigant.

14:12:51 [yeliz]

zakim, unmute yeliz

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yeliz should no longer be muted

14:13:03 [DKA]

Topic: Update on Mobile Web Accessibility

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apologize, I have2leave

14:13:43 [DKA]

Yeliz: The updated documents are online. Since the last call, EO wg has reviewed these and they have comments - latest comments are addressed.

14:13:48 [Zakim]

-hgerlach

14:13:55 [DKA]

Yeliz: EO is happy with these documents.

14:14:01 [yeliz]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences-new.html

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences-format.html

14:14:42 [DKA]

Jo: these should be considered final, right?

14:14:44 [DKA]

Yeliz: yes.

14:15:00 [DKA]

Jo: Do you have a suggestion, Dan, to make sure people have time to consider?

14:16:01 [DKA]

DKA: Maybe a web form will help ensure it gets the consideration it needs?

14:16:25 [DKA]

Jo: Yes makes sense. I'll work with Francois to do this. We should set a deadline of a couple weeks.

14:16:47 [jo]

ACTION: Jo to work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks

14:16:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-826 - Work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-04].

14:17:30 [DKA]

Topic: BP 1.5

14:17:58 [DKA]

Jo: Status?

14:18:29 [DKA]

Kai: The last action was to incorporate decisions made in last f2f meetings - I had concluded no action needed.

14:18:44 [yeliz]

zakim, mute yeliz

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yeliz should now be muted

14:18:45 [DKA]

Jo: We're waiting for group feedback and consensus - we need a form maybe?

14:19:53 [DKA]

DKA: We will need to do additional work to turn it from Mok Pro into BP 1.5

14:20:06 [DKA]

Kai: I've done some of that but it needs feedback from the group.

14:20:23 [DKA]

Kai: I'd like feedback that the format is correct.

14:20:44 [DKA]

Kai: we need a once-over by the group that it's what we want to publish as a note.

14:21:16 [DKA]

Kai: Should it be "BP 1.5"?

14:21:31 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/mobileOKPro/drafts/ED-mobileOK-pro10-tests-20080610 Latest version of the former mobileOK pro document

14:21:33 [DKA]

Jo: No that's the short name for "addendum to bp 1.0"

14:22:00 [DKA]

Jo: Let's discuss on list and come back to it next week. I will raise an issue.

14:22:17 [Kai]

dom, that is not the last version. need to look for it in mail.

14:22:24 [dom]

ah, sorry

14:22:25 [jo]

ISSUE: Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0

14:22:25 [trackbot]

Created ISSUE-271 - Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271/edit .

14:22:58 [dom]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/att-0103/ED-mobileOK-pro10-tests-20080731.htm latest version of former mobileOK pro document (for good)

14:23:02 [DKA]

Kai: that [what Dom posted in] is not the correct URL.

14:23:57 [DKA]

Kai: yes that's [the latest Dom posted] is the correct one.

14:24:22 [DKA]

Topic: MobileOK Scheme

14:24:38 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Trustmark/20080806.html mobileOK Scheme

14:25:07 [dom]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0022.html Francois' comments on mobileOK scheme

14:25:20 [DKA]

Jo: Just before we closed down for the summer, Phil Archer took a crack at this document. I then worked on it. Between us we've created a very rough draft of MobileOK scheme. Some comments from Francois. I will find some time to knock it into better shape in next week or so.

14:25:35 [DKA]

Jo: Anything else on MobileOK scheme?

14:25:50 [DKA]

Topic: Applications Best Practices (BP2)

14:25:55 [DKA]

Jo: any speakers on BP2?

14:26:00 [DKA]

[crickets]

14:26:08 [DKA]

Jo: ok let's discuss next week.

14:26:18 [DKA]

Topic: ISSUE-222

14:26:27 [dom]

ISSUE-222?

14:26:27 [trackbot]

ISSUE-222 -- TAG Finding on Alternative Representations -- OPEN

14:26:27 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/222

14:26:57 [DKA]

Jo: Communication with TAG on TAG finding on alternate representations. I've heard informally from the TAG that they've noted our comments. No formal feedback as things stand. Nothing really to discuss...

14:27:23 [DKA]

DKA: Does it make sense to have discussion on this at the TPAC?

14:27:39 [dom]

should we close issue-222 now? or do we need to keep tracking it?

14:28:07 [DKA]

Jo: When we get formal feedback we can pursue that.

14:28:22 [DKA]

DKA: We could make an informal ... something...

14:28:36 [dom]

ack me

14:28:38 [DKA]

Jo: Informally yes but not formally informally (formerly).

14:29:16 [DKA]

Dom: I think we only need to keep issues open when there's something that merits discussion - we've done all we can do so [maybe we should close the issue].

14:29:44 [jeffs]

close it

14:29:47 [DKA]

Jo: Any objections to closing ISSUE-222?

14:29:53 [DKA]

[no objections noted]

14:30:02 [jo]

close ISSUE-222

14:30:44 [DKA]

Topic: Widgets Requirements Feedback

14:31:20 [DKA]

Jo: Brian formulated some suggestions and sent it over. Most of them made it in, most were then taken out again. Any other comments?

14:31:38 [DKA]

Jo: We should note this and move on.

14:32:30 [DKA]

Topic: Renewed charter

14:32:33 [dom]

ack me

14:32:44 [DKA]

Jo: How long do people have to sign up and what progress has there been?

14:33:15 [DKA]

Dom: You have to be re-nominated by your AC member otherwise you'll get kicked out.

14:33:23 [DKA]

[didn't catch list]

14:33:27 [dom]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/join

14:33:35 [dom]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/status

14:33:44 [dom]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies

14:34:15 [DKA]

Dom: Only some of them have renominated.

14:34:22 [DKA]

I've just done Vodafone.

14:34:51 [DKA]

Jo: I think we need an email to go out to folks who have not renominated.

14:35:12 [DKA]

Dom: There will be a reminder going out in next couple of days.

14:35:21 [DKA]

Jo: For those on the call, please note what Dom said.

14:35:41 [DKA]

Topic: Registration for Cannes F2F

14:36:19 [DKA]

Topic: f2f?

14:36:20 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/registrants#mwbp current registrants for BPWG F2F at TPAC

14:36:33 [dom]

[13 registrants so far]

14:36:47 [dom]

[discounted rate until September 8 http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Hotel ]

14:37:59 [jeffs]

zakim, who is noisy

14:37:59 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is noisy', jeffs

14:38:13 [jeffs]

zakim, who is noisy?

14:38:23 [Zakim]

jeffs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (8%)

14:38:45 [DKA]

DKA: We need to discuss what we hope to achieve at the f2f. What documents are we hoping to work on? What focused sessions do we need? What joint sessions do we need to organize (e.g. TAG or POWDER).

14:39:00 [DKA]

Jo: Needs discussion on the list, etc...

14:39:12 [DKA]

Topic: AOB?

14:39:30 [DKA]

[none]

14:39:36 [DKA]

Topic: Issues & Actions Review

14:39:39 [dom]

ACTION-821?

14:39:40 [trackbot]

ACTION-821 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW

14:39:40 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/821

14:39:46 [dom]

ack me

14:40:03 [DKA]

Jo: What do we need to know about the ETSI liaison Dom?

14:40:30 [dom]

ACTION-814?

14:40:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-814 -- Daniel Appelquist to get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN

14:40:30 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/814

14:40:44 [DKA]

Dom: I've done what needs to happen on W3C side to make the liaison happen. Has the letter gone out to ETSI telling them we accept?

14:40:45 [dom]

close ACTION-821

14:40:45 [trackbot]

ACTION-821 Officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side closed

14:40:47 [DKA]

Jo: Yes I did that.

14:41:17 [DKA]

Jo: Lack of clarity here.

14:41:20 [dom]

close ACTION-814

14:41:20 [trackbot]

ACTION-814 Get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution closed

14:41:37 [DKA]

Jo: I will follow up with ETSI to find out what's going on.

14:41:45 [jo]

ACTION: JO to follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end

14:41:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-827 - Follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-04].

14:41:58 [dom]

ACTION-825?

14:41:58 [trackbot]

ACTION-825 -- Jo Rabin to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week -- due 2008-08-07 -- OPEN

14:41:58 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/825

14:42:19 [DKA]

Jo: Has anyone heard anything from Chaals over the last few weeks?

14:42:37 [DKA]

DKA: I can confirm he's alive.

14:42:56 [dom]

ACTION-801?

14:42:56 [trackbot]

ACTION-801 -- Daniel Appelquist to thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN

14:42:56 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/801

14:43:01 [dom]

might be closable

14:43:18 [DKA]

Jo: You did that, didn't you, Dan.

14:43:21 [dom]

close ACTION-801

14:43:21 [trackbot]

ACTION-801 Thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents closed

14:43:23 [DKA]

DKA: yes. I did.

14:43:29 [jo]

close ACTION-801

14:43:29 [trackbot]

ACTION-801 Thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents closed

14:43:52 [dom]

close ACTION-822

14:43:52 [trackbot]

ACTION-822 Respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and will get back to them when we get back from the break closed

14:44:04 [dom]

close ACTION-825

14:44:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-825 Send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week closed

14:44:55 [DKA]

ACTION-799

14:45:09 [jeffs]

zakim, unmute me

14:45:09 [Zakim]

jeffs should no longer be muted

14:45:11 [DKA]

ACTION-799?

14:45:11 [trackbot]

ACTION-799 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to get back to rigo on updating the mobileOK license -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN

14:45:11 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/799

14:45:16 [jeffs]

I have 1

14:45:23 [DKA]

Dom: I did that but still pending.

14:45:30 [DKA]

ACTION-820?

14:45:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN

14:45:30 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820

14:45:58 [DKA]

Jeff: I finally located someone from our national technical institute for the deaf who can work with me on this.

14:46:03 [jeffs]

zakim, mute me

14:46:03 [Zakim]

jeffs should now be muted

14:46:05 [DKA]

Jeff: please leave it in pending.

14:46:26 [DKA]

Jo: Thanks all.

14:46:41 [Zakim]

-Kai_Dietrich

14:46:43 [Zakim]

-dom

14:46:43 [Zakim]

-jo

14:46:44 [Zakim]

-drooks

14:46:44 [Zakim]

-rob_finean

14:46:46 [Zakim]

-jeffs

14:46:46 [Zakim]

-SeanP

14:46:47 [Zakim]

-nacho

14:46:48 [Zakim]

-DKA

14:46:49 [dom]

Zakim, list attendees

14:46:50 [Zakim]

-yeliz

14:46:52 [Zakim]

MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended

14:46:54 [Zakim]

Attendees were jeffs, DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz, jo, hgerlach, +0207287aabb, rob_finean, drooks, +95251aacc, Kai_Dietrich, +03498429aadd, nacho, abel, +1.630.414.aaee, SeanP,

14:46:59 [Zakim]

sorry, dom, I don't know what conference this is

14:47:01 [dom]

Zakim, bye

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14:47:06 [dom]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:47:06 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-minutes.html dom

14:47:23 [rob]

rob has left #bpwg

14:48:10 [dom]

RRSAgent, bye

14:48:10 [RRSAgent]

I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-actions.rdf :

14:48:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jo to work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks [1]

14:48:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-16-47

14:48:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: JO to follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end [2]

14:48:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-41-45