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14:57:46 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:57:46 <Norm> Date: 14 Aug 2008
14:57:46 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
14:57:46 <Norm> Meeting: 122
14:57:46 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:57:50 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:57:52 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:57:54 <Norm> Zakim, this will be xproc
14:57:54 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:58:03 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG meets 14 Aug: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
14:58:33 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
14:58:40 <Zakim> +Norm
15:01:22 <Zakim> +[ArborText]
15:01:38 <ht> zakim, code?
15:01:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ht
15:02:04 <Zakim> +??P33
15:02:12 <ht> zakim, ? is ht
15:02:12 <Zakim> +ht; got it
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15:03:28 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/WD-xproc-20080814/
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15:04:26 <Zakim> +??P22
15:04:31 <Zakim> + +1.734.352.aaaa
15:04:48 <Zakim> +??P37
15:04:55 <richard> zakim, ??37 is me
15:04:55 <Zakim> sorry, richard, I do not recognize a party named '??37'
15:05:01 <richard> zakim, ??P37 is me
15:05:01 <Zakim> +richard; got it
15:05:12 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, ht, ??P22, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard
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15:05:31 <AndrewF> zakim, +1.734.35.2.aaa is AndrewF
15:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewF, I do not recognize a party named '+1.734.35.2.aaa'
15:05:35 <Vojtech> zakim, ??P22 is me
15:05:35 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
15:05:44 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, ht, Vojtech, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard
15:05:49 <Norm> Regrets: Murray, Alex
15:05:59 <Norm> Zakim, aaaa is AndrewF 
15:05:59 <Zakim> +AndrewF; got it
15:06:12 <Norm> Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Vojtech, Andrew, Richard
15:06:25 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:06:25 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
15:06:36 <Norm> Accepted
15:06:41 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:06:41 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/07-minutes
15:06:46 <Norm> Accepted
15:06:52 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon 21 Aug 2008?
15:07:46 <Norm> Norm: We may cancel it, but we'll leave it on the books. No regrets heard.
15:07:52 <Norm> Topic: Charter extension
15:08:44 <Norm> Norm: Is that something I do, or Henry, do you do it?
15:08:50 <Norm> ACTION: Henry to investigate the charter extension process
15:09:04 <Norm> Topic: Comments on the last call draft
15:09:21 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/WD-xproc-20080814/
15:10:41 <Norm> No comments heard.
15:11:11 <Norm> ACTION: Henry to update the XSD and DTD files then give Julian the green light to publish
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15:12:40 <Norm> Topic: Test suite planning
15:13:33 <Norm> Norm looks for help and advice in constructing an adequate test suite on the assumption we'll make it through Last Call and get to CR easily.
15:14:17 <Norm> Norm: There are already about 80 or so at tests.xproc.org
15:15:15 <Norm> Henry: What's the metadata you need?
15:15:29 <Norm> Norm: There's documentation for the test format at tests.xproc.org, but I'm happy to adjust it as necessary.
15:15:53 <Norm> Norm: We will stall if we don't get a test suite...
15:16:58 <Norm> Henry: My metadata question was about coverage. We need to give some thought to the metadata to describe *what features* are tested.
15:17:26 <Norm> ...We need to be able to characterize the tests to make the interoperability claim have some teeth.
15:18:06 <Norm> Norm: I was going to analyze the test suite for missing steps and missing options on steps.
15:18:59 <Norm> Henry: That's a good start, but there are also questions about the topology of the pipeline and the inheritence of variables and defaulting of pipes, etc.
15:19:22 <Norm> ...Those aren't as easy to enumerate.
15:19:56 <Norm> Norm: I was also hoping to have tests for every static and dynamic error as well, that covers many of those things.
15:21:41 <Norm> Richard: The XML test suite doesn't attempt to identify the "correct" error and this has sometimes caused problems.
15:21:50 <Norm> Henry: Having explicit error codes helps a little bit.
15:23:00 <Norm> Norm: Metadata is a good idea, maybe we should have some email discussiona bout how to devise metadata that covers the spec.
15:23:19 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
15:23:41 <Norm> Vojtech: Regarding error codes, right now we have gaps in the numbering. Is that ok?
15:24:36 <Norm> Norm: I think it is. We talkeda bout it once before and decided that the cost was larger than the benefit.
15:24:42 <Norm> Vojtech/Henry: I'm ok with that.
15:24:49 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:25:03 <Zakim> -Norm
15:25:04 <Zakim> -richard
15:25:04 <Zakim> -Vojtech
15:25:06 <Zakim> -AndrewF
15:25:06 <Zakim> -PGrosso
15:25:08 <Zakim> -ht
15:25:08 <Norm> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:25:09 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
15:25:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, ht, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard, Vojtech, AndrewF
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15:25:15 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:25:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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17:53:24 <Norm> RRSAgent, bye
17:53:24 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-actions.rdf :
17:53:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Henry to investigate the charter extension process [1]
17:53:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-irc#T15-08-50
17:53:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Henry to update the XSD and DTD files then give Julian the green light to publish [2]
17:53:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-irc#T15-11-11