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14:58:02 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa
14:58:02 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:11 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
14:58:12 <mhausenblas> ah, good ;)
14:58:21 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0011.html
14:58:33 <Ralph> Regrets: Manu, Ben, Jeremy
14:59:07 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
14:59:16 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
14:59:37 <Ralph> regrets+ Mark
15:00:05 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:00:16 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-07-31
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15:00:37 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:00:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph
15:00:52 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:00:59 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, markbirbeck, Ralph
15:01:15 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:01:17 <Zakim> +Steven
15:01:21 <Ralph> agenda: Implementation Report
15:01:25 <Ralph> agenda+ Implementation Report
15:02:29 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review
15:02:37 <Ralph> all open actions still pending
15:02:57 <Ralph> next agendum
15:03:03 <Ralph> zakim, next agendum
15:03:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Ralph
15:03:10 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Implementation Report" taken up [from Ralph]
15:03:27 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/ Implementation Report
15:03:41 <Ralph> Michael: we have one more implementation than we need to meet our CR exit criteria
15:04:14 <Ralph> ... Fabien reported the results of his XSLT implementation so I'll include his results
15:04:46 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0016.html Fabiens proposal
15:04:49 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0016.html Fabien's report
15:05:33 <Ralph> Ralph: what about Fabien's note of a bug in the manifest for 52 & 53?
15:06:41 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases-20080731/ Freezed RDFa TC for IR
15:06:49 <Ralph> Michael: I wonder if Fabien has an old version of the manifest, as the other implementations pass
15:07:58 <Ralph> ... nope, seems to be the same in the manifest
15:08:05 <Ralph> ... I'll have to check this with Manu
15:09:58 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases-20080731/Test0086 reference negative TC
15:09:58 <Ralph> Michael: compare with test 86
15:12:28 <Ralph> Ralph: looking at http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#sec_6.1.1.
15:15:49 <Ralph> ... 6.1.1.5.
15:16:02 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html#item02 approval of TC 52 and 53
15:20:24 <Ralph> Ralph: consider rule 4 in http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#sec_5.5.
15:23:00 <Ralph> Michael: as we have no @about, the subject becomes the value of @resource
15:23:54 <Ralph> Ralph: so the comment in the Purpose column of Section 3 of the implementation report is wrong for tests 52 and 53
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15:25:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael check tests 52 and 53 with Manu
15:29:31 <Ralph> Ralph: the worrisome thing is that Fabien believes the test should be a negative test, in contradiction to the other 5 reported implementations.  Perhaps he is believing the incorrect text in the Purpose column, but if he thinks there are words in the spec that say the opposite we should track this down
15:30:06 <Ralph> Michael: is section 4 sufficient, or does it need to be longer?
15:30:42 <Ralph> Ralph: the implementation report is only to show that we have completed our CR requirements
15:30:53 <Ralph> ... so fine to add more if we know but OK to point to the Wiki
15:32:22 <Ralph> Michael: what else do we need for WG review?
15:33:09 <Ralph> Ralph: we need a final editor's draft and to include the XSLT implementation in the report
15:33:27 <Ralph> ... since there has been so much discussion of using GRDDL for RDFa, to omit the XSLT implementation would raise many questions
15:34:34 <Ralph> Michael: do the WGs need to review the implementation report?
15:34:42 <Ralph> Ralph: were we committed to publishing it as a Group Note?
15:34:57 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa RDFa Deliverables
15:34:58 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#item02 SWD m inutes
15:37:26 <Ralph> Ralph: I don't believe that the WGs intend to publish the Implementation Report as a TR
15:37:42 <Ralph> ... so it just stays in its current form and you can continually improve it as comments arrive
15:38:29 <Ralph> Steven: alternating between the Implementation Report and the Implementation Wiki, it's hard to find the similarities
15:38:35 <Ralph> ... perhaps I'll try to update the Wiki
15:38:49 <Ralph> ... Micah Dubinko reported a new implementation this week
15:39:05 <Ralph> Michael: once Manu updates the test harness to point to a new implementation I just need to regenerate the EARL
15:39:27 <Ralph> Steven: the terminology in the Wiki is different from the terminology in the Implementation Report
15:39:41 <Ralph> ... one talks about 'client side' and the other talks about 'plug-ins'
15:39:48 <Ralph> Michael: the audiences are different
15:40:03 <Ralph> Steven: how shall we report editorial errors in the IR?
15:40:36 <Ralph> Michael: wait 1 or 2 days while I work in Ben's client-side wording and tests 52 and 53 then I'll send a call for comments
15:40:54 <Zakim> -Steven
15:40:57 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:40:59 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:41:00 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
15:41:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Steven
15:41:11 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:41:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
16:09:04 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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16:09:06 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:09:06 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-actions.rdf :
16:09:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael check tests 52 and 53 with Manu [1]
16:09:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-irc#T15-25-42