IRC log of html-wg on 2008-07-31
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-irc
- 15:57:46 [DanC]
- Zakim, this will be html
- 15:57:47 [Zakim]
- ok, DanC; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
- 15:58:19 [takkaria]
- oh, I'm around for the html wg meeting today, interesting
- 15:58:24 [ChrisWilson]
- agenda?
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- agenda+ ask for additional agenda items
- 15:59:09 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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- +Gregory_Rosmaita
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- + +1.218.349.aaaa
- 15:59:28 [ChrisWilson]
- agenda+ review overdue actions from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
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- -Gregory_Rosmaita
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- +Gregory_Rosmaita
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- +Julian
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- +[Microsoft]
- 15:59:59 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, microsoft is me
- 16:00:01 [Zakim]
- +ChrisWilson; got it
- 16:00:26 [Zakim]
- -Gregory_Rosmaita
- 16:01:00 [ChrisWilson]
- agenda+ review action items due today
- 16:01:02 [Zakim]
- +Gregory_Rosmaita
- 16:01:12 [oedipus]
- zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
- 16:01:12 [Zakim]
- Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
- 16:01:15 [ChrisWilson]
- review issues discussed this week
- 16:01:31 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 16:01:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "ask for additional agenda items" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
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- +DanC
- 16:01:51 [ChrisWilson]
- always forget that... aAny offers to scribe?
- 16:02:22 [ChrisWilson]
- meeting: html-wg chair: ChrisWilson
- 16:02:57 [Julian]
- Dan: could you say something?
- 16:03:00 [Zakim]
- -ChrisWilson
- 16:03:18 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 16:03:24 [Zakim]
- + +0161442aabb
- 16:03:30 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, microsoft is me
- 16:03:30 [Zakim]
- +ChrisWilson; got it
- 16:03:37 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 16:03:37 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ChrisWilson
- 16:03:44 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's talking?
- 16:03:54 [Zakim]
- DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +0161442aabb (8%), +1.218.349.aaaa (79%), DanC (69%)
- 16:04:08 [Laura]
- zakim, 1.218.349.aaaa is Laura
- 16:04:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, Laura, I do not recognize a party named '1.218.349.aaaa'
- 16:04:16 [DanC]
- Zakim, mute Laura
- 16:04:16 [Zakim]
- sorry, DanC, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Laura
- 16:04:18 [Zakim]
- +??P14
- 16:04:19 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, aaaa is Laura
- 16:04:20 [Zakim]
- +Laura; got it
- 16:04:26 [DanC]
- Zakim, mute Laura
- 16:04:26 [Zakim]
- Laura should now be muted
- 16:04:45 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, unmute Laura
- 16:04:45 [Zakim]
- Laura should no longer be muted
- 16:04:50 [Laura]
- regrets+ Joshue
- 16:04:53 [takkaria]
- Zakim: +0161442aabb is me
- 16:04:57 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, mute Laura
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- Laura should now be muted
- 16:05:03 [DanC]
- Zakim, aabb is takkaria
- 16:05:03 [Zakim]
- +takkaria; got it
- 16:05:16 [DanC]
- scribe: DanC
- 16:05:30 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, agenda?
- 16:05:30 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
- 16:05:32 [Zakim]
- 1. ask for additional agenda items [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:05:34 [Zakim]
- 2. review overdue actions from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:05:35 [Zakim]
- 3. review action items due today [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:05:36 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:05:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:05:50 [ChrisWilson]
- any additional agenda items? Going once...twice...?
- 16:06:01 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, close item 1
- 16:06:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, ask for additional agenda items, closed
- 16:06:02 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:06:03 [Zakim]
- 2. review overdue actions from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:06:09 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 16:06:09 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "review overdue actions from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:06:11 [robburns]
- zakim, present+ robburns
- 16:06:12 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'present+ robburns', robburns
- 16:06:42 [oedipus]
- present+ robburns
- 16:06:43 [ChrisWilson]
- action-73 on dan...
- 16:06:55 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:07:34 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:07:41 [DanC]
- ACTION-73?
- 16:07:41 [trackbot]
- ACTION-73 -- Dan Connolly to follow up on WAI-ARIA markup thread, emphasizing the conformance point -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 16:07:41 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/73
- 16:08:23 [oedipus]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria - new editor's draft impending
- 16:08:44 [oedipus]
- new conformance wording and host embedding verbiage - will be pushed to TR space soon
- 16:08:52 [DanC]
- DanC: in progress.
- 16:09:02 [DanC]
- good to know, oedipus
- 16:09:06 [shepazu]
- zakim, call shepazu
- 16:09:06 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; the call is being made
- 16:09:08 [Zakim]
- +Shepazu
- 16:09:32 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, close item 2
- 16:09:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 2, review overdue actions from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda, closed
- 16:09:34 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
- 16:09:35 [Zakim]
- 3. review action items due today [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:09:37 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 16:09:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "review action items due today" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
- 16:10:06 [ChrisWilson]
- due today: action-23, on Joshue
- 16:10:09 [DanC]
- action-23?
- 16:10:09 [trackbot]
- ACTION-23 -- Joshue O Connor to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
- 16:10:09 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
- 16:10:29 [oedipus]
- danC, the new TR has revised verbiage about host language embedding and aaron leventhal is working with a team of implementors on a User Agent Implementation Guide to ARIA
- 16:11:08 [oedipus]
- q+
- 16:11:37 [DanC]
- ack oedipus
- 16:11:46 [ChrisWilson]
- yes?
- 16:11:46 [oedipus]
- zakim, unmute Gregory_Rosmaita
- 16:11:46 [Zakim]
- Gregory_Rosmaita should no longer be muted
- 16:12:19 [DanC]
- GR: at our last ftf [when?] we discussed test suite building and who was to do which parts...
- 16:12:48 [DanC]
- ... but we're working on issues on host language embedding...
- 16:12:55 [DanC]
- ... to appear in upcoming WD
- 16:13:09 [DanC]
- q+
- 16:13:22 [ChrisWilson]
- ack DanC
- 16:14:48 [DanC]
- action-23?
- 16:14:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-23 -- Joshue O Connor to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-10-01 -- OPEN
- 16:14:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
- 16:15:24 [DanC]
- action-54?
- 16:15:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-54 -- Chris Wilson to ask PF WG to look at drafted text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
- 16:15:24 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
- 16:15:30 [Laura]
- We are still waiting for a reply from the PFWG for Action Item 54 regarding
- 16:15:36 [Laura]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0234.html
- 16:15:42 [Laura]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0408.html
- 16:15:52 [Laura]
- Action 54 is dependent on PF's response. Request for an Action Item 54 time extension until there is a response from the PFWG.
- 16:15:52 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - 54
- 16:16:05 [takkaria]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/MediaSpecifcElements might be of interest, too
- 16:16:22 [ChrisWilson]
- done
- 16:16:24 [DanC]
- CW: on action-54, I meant to set the date to 6 Aug; we're waiting for something from WAI PF
- 16:16:38 [oedipus]
- takkaria, that's a rudimentary collection page for PF issues to coordinate with and review for HTML5
- 16:16:55 [oedipus]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5 is main page
- 16:17:06 [ChrisWilson]
- zakim, close item 3
- 16:17:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, review action items due today, closed
- 16:17:07 [Zakim]
- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
- 16:17:18 [oedipus]
- takkaria, the media specific elements is an action item i have from the PF face to face
- 16:17:24 [ChrisWilson]
- review issues discussed
- 16:17:50 [oedipus]
- takkaria, we (PF) were asked to outline and define requirements
- 16:17:59 [ChrisWilson]
- (that is, we will now review any issues from the list discussed this week)
- 16:18:16 [ChrisWilson]
- status update on SVG-in-html from Doug
- 16:18:18 [DanC]
- Topic: ISSUE-37 html-svg-mathml
- 16:18:56 [DanC]
- DS: there's discussion on SVG itself and on more general integration issues
- 16:18:59 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 16:19:23 [oedipus]
- s/that's a/that's part of a
- 16:19:27 [tlr]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:19:45 [oedipus]
- regrets+ Josh_O_Connor
- 16:19:54 [DanC]
- DS: Hixie says he hasn't yet reviewed the SVG WG proposal. Some comments from hsivonen are pending; vacations make progress slow
- 16:20:21 [ChrisWilson]
- any other issues to discuss?
- 16:20:54 [DanC]
- Topic: publication schedule
- 16:20:58 [oedipus]
- ARIA User Agent Implementors Guide (Moz Dev doc) - http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/ARIA_to_API_mapping
- 16:21:07 [DanC]
- DS: I note recent mail from Mike Smith re publication schedule
- 16:21:58 [oedipus]
- next steps on forms? GJR's thoughts (logged as part of survey/vote): http://esw.w3.org/topic/GregoryRosmaita/FormsFeedback2008-07
- 16:22:27 [DanC]
- CW: overly frequent publication is somewhat expensive for me, for monitoring the scope
- 16:23:22 [oedipus]
- requirements & recommendations on forms in HTML5: http://esw.w3.org/topic/GregoryRosmaita/FormsFeedback2008-07
- 16:23:53 [DanC]
- DS: forms likely to land in October?
- 16:24:09 [DanC]
- CW: or sooner; as forms are clearly in our charter, that's not burdensome
- 16:24:30 [robburns]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:24:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Laura (muted), Julian, Gregory_Rosmaita, DanC, ChrisWilson, takkaria, ??P14, Shepazu, [Microsoft]
- 16:24:49 [robburns]
- zakim, ??P14 is robburns
- 16:24:49 [Zakim]
- +robburns; got it
- 16:24:53 [CGI477]
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- 16:25:08 [robburns]
- :-)
- 16:25:11 [ChrisWilson]
- (but we do need to honor the publication schedule)
- 16:25:45 [oedipus]
- zakim, microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
- 16:25:45 [Zakim]
- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
- 16:26:06 [ChrisWilson]
- move to adjourn
- 16:26:09 [oedipus]
- second
- 16:26:14 [ChrisWilson]
- adjourned.
- 16:26:17 [Laura]
- bye
- 16:26:18 [Zakim]
- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -takkaria
- 16:26:20 [Julian]
- ok
- 16:26:21 [Zakim]
- -Gregory_Rosmaita
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- -Julian
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- -ChrisWilson
- 16:26:29 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
- 16:26:29 [Zakim]
- -Shepazu
- 16:26:38 [Zakim]
- -Laura
- 16:26:39 [ChrisWilson]
- thanks Dan, for scribing
- 16:26:39 [Zakim]
- -robburns
- 16:27:13 [oedipus]
- chair: Chris_Wilson
- 16:27:20 [oedipus]
- meeting: HTML WG Weekly Call
- 16:27:24 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:27:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:28:36 [oedipus]
- meeting- html-wg chair: ChrisWilson
- 16:28:50 [oedipus]
- meeting+ HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
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- chair+ Chris_Wilson
- 16:29:00 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:30:34 [oedipus]
- s/html-wg chair: ChrisWilson/HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
- 16:30:38 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:31:06 [robburns]
- yeah, I don't understand how this is supposed to work?
- 16:31:23 [robburns]
- I thought maybe asking zakim who's on the phone would add the phone attendees to the present list
- 16:31:34 [oedipus]
- yes, it does
- 16:31:37 [oedipus]
- zakim, please part
- 16:31:37 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +1.218.349.aaaa, Julian, ChrisWilson, DanC, +0161442aabb, Laura, takkaria, Shepazu, robburns, Cynthia_Shelly
- 16:31:37 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #html-wg
- 16:31:42 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:32:03 [takkaria]
- oedipus: could you remove my number from the minutes (+0161442aabb) somehow?
- 16:32:07 [oedipus]
- present+ Laura_Carlson
- 16:32:22 [oedipus]
- takkaria - i will try, but rrsagent isn't always accomodating
- 16:32:40 [oedipus]
- present- [+1.218.349.aaaa]
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- present+ takkaria
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:32:49 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:33:07 [oedipus]
- present- aaaa
- 16:33:07 [DanC]
- I can probably get the number out of the minutes
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- present- aabb
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:35:25 [takkaria]
- it's still got my number in it, but yeah, I go by takkaria
- 16:36:26 [oedipus]
- s/html-wg chair: ChrisWilson/HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
- 16:36:31 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:36:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:37:19 [oedipus]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JulSep/0016.html
- 16:37:22 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:37:55 [Laura]
- Nice work, Gregory.
- 16:38:06 [oedipus]
- DanC, i'll leave the rest of the clean up to you - that's all i can do with the tools i have at my disposal
- 16:38:33 [Laura]
- no problem :-)
- 16:38:53 [oedipus]
- did you see my last post on the a11y conformance label and checkers?
- 16:39:19 [oedipus]
- DanC, should i dismiss rrsagent so that you have less to clean out from the end of the minutes?
- 16:39:56 [DanC]
- no need, thanks
- 16:40:07 [oedipus]
- i'll let you take it from here, then
- 16:40:37 [oedipus]
- the only bits are the phone numbers and all of the after-meeting administrivia and chatter
- 16:41:24 [takkaria]
- is there any way to attend the telecon using voip?
- 16:42:04 [oedipus]
- hold on a second, it's too hot here to think without double-checking (32 C)
- 16:42:48 [oedipus]
- takkaria, check: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/VoIP
- 16:43:33 [oedipus]
- takkaria, i know there are those who do, and i'll be joining their ranks soon, so i need to brush up on what's required myself
- 16:45:16 [oedipus]
- also: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
- 16:46:40 [oedipus]
- takkaria, you might try emailing ted guild (http://www.w3.org/People/Ted) (ted@w3.org) or ralph swick (http://www.w3.org/People/all#swick) (swick@w3.org) or inquire of the systeam
- 16:56:05 [sampablokuper]
- Cheers all
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- 18:22:22 [DanC]
- Meeting: HTML WG Weekly
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
- 18:23:09 [DanC]
- Present: ChrisWilson, Cynthia_Shelly, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Julian, Laura, Laura_Carlson, Shepazu, robburns, takkaria
- 18:23:11 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
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- Zakim, bye
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- 21:20:07 [Hixie]
- ok i checked my traceroute AS i got disconnected and saw no problems
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- 22:07:19 [Philip]
- Hixie: It seems odd that your client reconnects almost immediately after it pings out, rather than sometimes reconnecting much later or reconnecting while you're still present
- 22:14:13 [Hixie]
- yes
- 22:14:16 [Hixie]
- i don't get it
- 22:14:39 [Hixie]
- the only way to see that behaviour would be for the client to self-disconnect or for the server to disconnect
- 22:15:01 [Hixie]
- but the client has been running for 38 days without restarting or being configured
- 22:15:05 [Hixie]
- and it broke more recently than that
- 22:15:19 [Hixie]
- and it only affects this server
- 22:16:31 [gsnedders]
- Hixie: I know that this server has a very low ping timeout
- 22:17:17 [Hixie]
- did it change recently?
- 22:17:23 [gsnedders]
- No
- 22:17:27 [gsnedders]
- Which doesn't explain it
- 22:17:31 [gsnedders]
- It's just an observation :P
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- odd
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