IRC log of html-wg on 2008-07-31

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15:57:46 [DanC]
Zakim, this will be html
15:57:47 [Zakim]
ok, DanC; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:58:19 [takkaria]
oh, I'm around for the html wg meeting today, interesting
15:58:24 [ChrisWilson]
15:58:36 [ChrisWilson]
agenda+ ask for additional agenda items
15:59:09 [Zakim]
HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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+ +1.218.349.aaaa
15:59:28 [ChrisWilson]
agenda+ review overdue actions from
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15:59:59 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, microsoft is me
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+ChrisWilson; got it
16:00:26 [Zakim]
16:01:00 [ChrisWilson]
agenda+ review action items due today
16:01:02 [Zakim]
16:01:12 [oedipus]
zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
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Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
16:01:15 [ChrisWilson]
review issues discussed this week
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "ask for additional agenda items" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
16:01:40 [Zakim]
16:01:51 [ChrisWilson]
always forget that... aAny offers to scribe?
16:02:22 [ChrisWilson]
meeting: html-wg chair: ChrisWilson
16:02:57 [Julian]
Dan: could you say something?
16:03:00 [Zakim]
16:03:18 [Zakim]
16:03:24 [Zakim]
+ +0161442aabb
16:03:30 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, microsoft is me
16:03:30 [Zakim]
+ChrisWilson; got it
16:03:37 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, who is on the phone
16:03:37 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ChrisWilson
16:03:44 [DanC]
Zakim, who's talking?
16:03:54 [Zakim]
DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +0161442aabb (8%), +1.218.349.aaaa (79%), DanC (69%)
16:04:08 [Laura]
zakim, 1.218.349.aaaa is Laura
16:04:08 [Zakim]
sorry, Laura, I do not recognize a party named '1.218.349.aaaa'
16:04:16 [DanC]
Zakim, mute Laura
16:04:16 [Zakim]
sorry, DanC, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Laura
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16:04:19 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, aaaa is Laura
16:04:20 [Zakim]
+Laura; got it
16:04:26 [DanC]
Zakim, mute Laura
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Laura should now be muted
16:04:45 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, unmute Laura
16:04:45 [Zakim]
Laura should no longer be muted
16:04:50 [Laura]
regrets+ Joshue
16:04:53 [takkaria]
Zakim: +0161442aabb is me
16:04:57 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, mute Laura
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Laura should now be muted
16:05:03 [DanC]
Zakim, aabb is takkaria
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+takkaria; got it
16:05:16 [DanC]
scribe: DanC
16:05:30 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, agenda?
16:05:30 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. ask for additional agenda items [from ChrisWilson]
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2. review overdue actions from [from ChrisWilson]
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3. review action items due today [from ChrisWilson]
16:05:36 [oedipus]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:05:50 [ChrisWilson]
any additional agenda items? Going once...twice...?
16:06:01 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, ask for additional agenda items, closed
16:06:02 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. review overdue actions from [from ChrisWilson]
16:06:09 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "review overdue actions from" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
16:06:11 [robburns]
zakim, present+ robburns
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I don't understand 'present+ robburns', robburns
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present+ robburns
16:06:43 [ChrisWilson]
action-73 on dan...
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:07:34 [oedipus]
rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:07:41 [DanC]
16:07:41 [trackbot]
ACTION-73 -- Dan Connolly to follow up on WAI-ARIA markup thread, emphasizing the conformance point -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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16:08:23 [oedipus] - new editor's draft impending
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new conformance wording and host embedding verbiage - will be pushed to TR space soon
16:08:52 [DanC]
DanC: in progress.
16:09:02 [DanC]
good to know, oedipus
16:09:06 [shepazu]
zakim, call shepazu
16:09:06 [Zakim]
ok, shepazu; the call is being made
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16:09:32 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, close item 2
16:09:32 [Zakim]
agendum 2, review overdue actions from, closed
16:09:34 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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3. review action items due today [from ChrisWilson]
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zakim, take up item 3
16:09:37 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "review action items due today" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
16:10:06 [ChrisWilson]
due today: action-23, on Joshue
16:10:09 [DanC]
16:10:09 [trackbot]
ACTION-23 -- Joshue O Connor to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
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16:10:29 [oedipus]
danC, the new TR has revised verbiage about host language embedding and aaron leventhal is working with a team of implementors on a User Agent Implementation Guide to ARIA
16:11:08 [oedipus]
16:11:37 [DanC]
ack oedipus
16:11:46 [ChrisWilson]
16:11:46 [oedipus]
zakim, unmute Gregory_Rosmaita
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Gregory_Rosmaita should no longer be muted
16:12:19 [DanC]
GR: at our last ftf [when?] we discussed test suite building and who was to do which parts...
16:12:48 [DanC]
... but we're working on issues on host language embedding...
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... to appear in upcoming WD
16:13:09 [DanC]
16:13:22 [ChrisWilson]
ack DanC
16:14:48 [DanC]
16:14:48 [trackbot]
ACTION-23 -- Joshue O Connor to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-10-01 -- OPEN
16:14:48 [trackbot]
16:15:24 [DanC]
16:15:24 [trackbot]
ACTION-54 -- Chris Wilson to ask PF WG to look at drafted text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
16:15:24 [trackbot]
16:15:30 [Laura]
We are still waiting for a reply from the PFWG for Action Item 54 regarding
16:15:36 [Laura]
16:15:42 [Laura]
16:15:52 [Laura]
Action 54 is dependent on PF's response. Request for an Action Item 54 time extension until there is a response from the PFWG.
16:15:52 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - 54
16:16:05 [takkaria] might be of interest, too
16:16:22 [ChrisWilson]
16:16:24 [DanC]
CW: on action-54, I meant to set the date to 6 Aug; we're waiting for something from WAI PF
16:16:38 [oedipus]
takkaria, that's a rudimentary collection page for PF issues to coordinate with and review for HTML5
16:16:55 [oedipus] is main page
16:17:06 [ChrisWilson]
zakim, close item 3
16:17:06 [Zakim]
agendum 3, review action items due today, closed
16:17:07 [Zakim]
I see nothing remaining on the agenda
16:17:18 [oedipus]
takkaria, the media specific elements is an action item i have from the PF face to face
16:17:24 [ChrisWilson]
review issues discussed
16:17:50 [oedipus]
takkaria, we (PF) were asked to outline and define requirements
16:17:59 [ChrisWilson]
(that is, we will now review any issues from the list discussed this week)
16:18:16 [ChrisWilson]
status update on SVG-in-html from Doug
16:18:18 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-37 html-svg-mathml
16:18:56 [DanC]
DS: there's discussion on SVG itself and on more general integration issues
16:18:59 [Zakim]
16:19:23 [oedipus]
s/that's a/that's part of a
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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regrets+ Josh_O_Connor
16:19:54 [DanC]
DS: Hixie says he hasn't yet reviewed the SVG WG proposal. Some comments from hsivonen are pending; vacations make progress slow
16:20:21 [ChrisWilson]
any other issues to discuss?
16:20:54 [DanC]
Topic: publication schedule
16:20:58 [oedipus]
ARIA User Agent Implementors Guide (Moz Dev doc) -
16:21:07 [DanC]
DS: I note recent mail from Mike Smith re publication schedule
16:21:58 [oedipus]
next steps on forms? GJR's thoughts (logged as part of survey/vote):
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CW: overly frequent publication is somewhat expensive for me, for monitoring the scope
16:23:22 [oedipus]
requirements & recommendations on forms in HTML5:
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DS: forms likely to land in October?
16:24:09 [DanC]
CW: or sooner; as forms are clearly in our charter, that's not burdensome
16:24:30 [robburns]
zakim, who's on the phone?
16:24:30 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Laura (muted), Julian, Gregory_Rosmaita, DanC, ChrisWilson, takkaria, ??P14, Shepazu, [Microsoft]
16:24:49 [robburns]
zakim, ??P14 is robburns
16:24:49 [Zakim]
+robburns; got it
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16:25:11 [ChrisWilson]
(but we do need to honor the publication schedule)
16:25:45 [oedipus]
zakim, microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
16:25:45 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
16:26:06 [ChrisWilson]
move to adjourn
16:26:09 [oedipus]
16:26:14 [ChrisWilson]
16:26:17 [Laura]
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16:26:20 [Julian]
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16:26:29 [DanC]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC
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16:26:39 [ChrisWilson]
thanks Dan, for scribing
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16:27:13 [oedipus]
chair: Chris_Wilson
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meeting: HTML WG Weekly Call
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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meeting- html-wg chair: ChrisWilson
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meeting+ HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
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chair+ Chris_Wilson
16:29:00 [oedipus]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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s/html-wg chair: ChrisWilson/HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:31:06 [robburns]
yeah, I don't understand how this is supposed to work?
16:31:23 [robburns]
I thought maybe asking zakim who's on the phone would add the phone attendees to the present list
16:31:34 [oedipus]
yes, it does
16:31:37 [oedipus]
zakim, please part
16:31:37 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +1.218.349.aaaa, Julian, ChrisWilson, DanC, +0161442aabb, Laura, takkaria, Shepazu, robburns, Cynthia_Shelly
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16:31:42 [oedipus]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:32:03 [takkaria]
oedipus: could you remove my number from the minutes (+0161442aabb) somehow?
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present+ Laura_Carlson
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takkaria - i will try, but rrsagent isn't always accomodating
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present- [+1.218.349.aaaa]
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present+ takkaria
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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present- aaaa
16:33:07 [DanC]
I can probably get the number out of the minutes
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present- aabb
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:35:25 [takkaria]
it's still got my number in it, but yeah, I go by takkaria
16:36:26 [oedipus]
s/html-wg chair: ChrisWilson/HTML WG Issue Tracking Telecon
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
16:37:55 [Laura]
Nice work, Gregory.
16:38:06 [oedipus]
DanC, i'll leave the rest of the clean up to you - that's all i can do with the tools i have at my disposal
16:38:33 [Laura]
no problem :-)
16:38:53 [oedipus]
did you see my last post on the a11y conformance label and checkers?
16:39:19 [oedipus]
DanC, should i dismiss rrsagent so that you have less to clean out from the end of the minutes?
16:39:56 [DanC]
no need, thanks
16:40:07 [oedipus]
i'll let you take it from here, then
16:40:37 [oedipus]
the only bits are the phone numbers and all of the after-meeting administrivia and chatter
16:41:24 [takkaria]
is there any way to attend the telecon using voip?
16:42:04 [oedipus]
hold on a second, it's too hot here to think without double-checking (32 C)
16:42:48 [oedipus]
takkaria, check:
16:43:33 [oedipus]
takkaria, i know there are those who do, and i'll be joining their ranks soon, so i need to brush up on what's required myself
16:45:16 [oedipus]
16:46:40 [oedipus]
takkaria, you might try emailing ted guild ( ( or ralph swick ( ( or inquire of the systeam
16:56:05 [sampablokuper]
Cheers all
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18:22:22 [DanC]
Meeting: HTML WG Weekly
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC
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Present: ChrisWilson, Cynthia_Shelly, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Julian, Laura, Laura_Carlson, Shepazu, robburns, takkaria
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC
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Zakim, bye
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ok i checked my traceroute AS i got disconnected and saw no problems
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22:07:19 [Philip]
Hixie: It seems odd that your client reconnects almost immediately after it pings out, rather than sometimes reconnecting much later or reconnecting while you're still present
22:14:13 [Hixie]
22:14:16 [Hixie]
i don't get it
22:14:39 [Hixie]
the only way to see that behaviour would be for the client to self-disconnect or for the server to disconnect
22:15:01 [Hixie]
but the client has been running for 38 days without restarting or being configured
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and it broke more recently than that
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and it only affects this server
22:16:31 [gsnedders]
Hixie: I know that this server has a very low ping timeout
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did it change recently?
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Which doesn't explain it
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It's just an observation :P
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