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14:59:10 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls
14:59:10 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
14:59:21 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
14:59:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
14:59:25 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:59:25 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:59:26 <Zakim> +EricP
14:59:27 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone
14:59:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', chimezie
14:59:28 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, EricP (muted)
14:59:33 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
14:59:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, EricP (muted)
14:59:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see michel, JohnMadden, RRSAgent, Zakim, chimezie, Susie, mscottm, ericP
14:59:43 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP
14:59:44 <Zakim> EricP is being disconnected
14:59:48 <Zakim> -EricP
14:59:58 <Zakim> +John_Madden
15:00:08 <Zakim> +Susie
15:00:38 <Zakim> +EricP
15:00:45 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:00:50 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aaaa
15:00:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, John_Madden, Susie, EricP, +1.216.445.aaaa
15:00:56 <Zakim> + +1.617.947.aabb
15:01:00 <Zakim> + +46.4.63.3.aacc
15:01:04 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aa is chimezie
15:01:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see michel, JohnMadden, RRSAgent, Zakim, chimezie, Susie, mscottm, ericP
15:01:08 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aa is me
15:01:12 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aaaa is me
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15:01:24 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
15:01:28 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '+1.216.445.aa'
15:01:34 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '+1.216.445.aaaa'
15:01:38 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.847.832.aadd
15:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:46 <Zakim> +??P17
15:01:52 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:01:56 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:02:13 <mscottm> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is mscottm
15:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, mscottm, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:02:18 <ericP> Zakim, 1.216.445.aaaa is chimezie 
15:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '1.216.445.aaaa'
15:02:30 <Zakim> +??P28
15:02:37 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:42 <michel> Zakim, ??P28 is michel
15:02:42 <Zakim> +michel; got it
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15:03:21 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
15:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, John_Madden, Susie, EricP, chimezie, +1.617.947.aabb, +46.4.63.3.aacc, +1.847.832.aadd, [IPcaller], ??P17, Vipul_Kashyap, michel, [Microsoft]
15:03:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Donald_Doherty, vipul, michel, JohnMadden, RRSAgent, Zakim, chimezie, Susie, mscottm, ericP
15:03:27 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
15:03:27 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
15:03:29 <Zakim> +Don_Doherty
15:03:36 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:03:36 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose John_Madden
15:03:37 <mscottm> Zakim, IPcaller is mscottm
15:03:43 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
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15:03:57 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
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15:04:23 <johnbreslin> Hello
15:04:57 <JohnMadden> zakim, who is here?
15:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, John_Madden, Susie, EricP, chimezie, +1.617.947.aabb, +46.4.63.3.aacc, +1.847.832.aadd, mscottm, ??P17, Vipul_Kashyap, michel, [Microsoft], Don_Doherty,
15:05:01 <Zakim> ... Kei_Cheung
15:05:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnbreslin, kidehen, Donald_Doherty, vipul, michel, JohnMadden, RRSAgent, Zakim, chimezie, Susie, mscottm, ericP
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15:05:28 <JohnMadden> Introductions
15:05:56 <JohnMadden> John Breslin: Natl U Ireland Galway
15:06:09 <chimezie> Susie: my collegue on the phone with me, Sivaram Arabandi would like to introduce himself as well
15:06:13 <chimezie> we are sharing the same line
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15:06:57 <JohnMadden> Kingsley? could you type your name in the irc?
15:07:11 <kidehen> kidehen re. Kingsley Idehen
15:09:18 <kidehen> JohnMadden:  my ESW Wiki profile page: http://esw.w3.org/topic/KingsleyIdehen
15:09:18 <JohnMadden> Tim Clark: Mass General/Harvard working on neurodegenerative diseases + I.T. spec, how scientists talk with each other
15:09:42 <JohnMadden> SCF and SQAN projects
15:09:50 <JohnMadden> whoops, SWAN
15:10:48 <JohnMadden> Ronan Fox: at Derry   clinical practice/research works with Holger / Matthias
15:11:28 <johnbreslin> DERI = Digital Enterprise Research Institute (National University of Ireland, Galway - www.deri.ie)
15:11:33 <JohnMadden> whoops
15:11:35 <JohnMadden> thanks
15:11:44 <johnbreslin> np ;)
15:12:11 <JohnMadden> LARKC project at DERI
15:12:28 <JohnMadden> Mary Kennedy -- College of Am Pathologists
15:12:43 <JohnMadden> If I missed anybody who wants to add anything -- please do
15:12:45 <johnbreslin> No the LARC project is somewhere else - missed the name
15:12:55 <JohnMadden> Vipul -COI status report
15:13:09 <JohnMadden> How do you map across terminologies?
15:13:12 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/DrugMapping.html
15:13:22 <JohnMadden> If we can answer, we can go to proof of concept
15:13:48 <JohnMadden> Want to formulate sparql query and map to actual trials/clinical DB
15:14:29 <JohnMadden> e.g. how to map drug classes from Samson's ontology to clinical vocabs (e.g. RxNorm)
15:14:59 <JohnMadden> our dataset has NDC codes, so we actually need NDC-to-RxNorm in addition
15:15:28 <JohnMadden> Ultimately, want Samson-to-NDC-to-RxNorm
15:15:52 <JohnMadden> Olivier B at NLM is helping -- gave RxNorm API for NLM mapping software
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15:16:29 <JohnMadden> John Kilbourne at CAP is also working on these mappings
15:16:55 <Zakim> -EricP
15:16:57 <JohnMadden> Jyoti at Mayo is working on this
15:17:17 <Zakim> +EricP
15:18:28 <JohnMadden> how to represent maps? Not the focus just yet
15:18:45 <JohnMadden> For now, will make SQL tables
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15:19:57 <JohnMadden> EricP suggests that mapping language is not critical, all the possibilities are of similar expressivity and can be automatically cross-represented
15:20:33 <JohnMadden> Scot: will you use SKOS?
15:20:59 <JohnMadden> Vipul: that's an option. We have lots of many-to-many mappings
15:21:16 <ericP> +1 to q+
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15:21:30 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
15:21:40 <JohnMadden> Next item: Scott HCLS KB update
15:21:47 <vipul> Sorry, I have another meeting to go to... Talk to you guys later.
15:21:54 <JohnMadden> Big todo list currently
15:22:14 <JohnMadden> 1. improve interface , make it gui
15:22:26 <JohnMadden> 2. add more data, esp supporting ongoing tasks in hcls
15:22:42 <JohnMadden> 3. distribution infrastructure (mirrors, etc.)
15:23:21 <JohnMadden> 4. would like to have at least two endpoints for sparql queries 
15:23:33 <JohnMadden> Kei will coordinate BioRDF
15:23:44 <JohnMadden> starting in fall
15:24:25 <JohnMadden> Kei: september 8 will be first BioRDF call
15:25:18 <JohnMadden> Kei: work on 1-4 and also want to revisit objectives in this meeting
15:25:30 <JohnMadden> Susie: thanks, kei
15:26:20 <JohnMadden> Next item: Tim Clark & John Breslin 
15:26:22 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/ John's slides
15:26:23 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf Tim's slides
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15:26:30 <Susie> http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/
15:27:15 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/ John's slides
15:27:17 <JohnMadden> First, John:  Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities and SWAN in HCLS
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15:28:50 <Donald_Doherty> Am I the only one still not seeing the slides? (Interminable download)
15:28:58 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(2) Motivation for SIOC
15:29:14 <JohnMadden> SIOC 2-3 yrs old at DERI Slide 1: Motivation: social engineering for SW
15:29:32 <JohnMadden> web is very diffuse
15:30:20 <JohnMadden> can we leverage social web as a medium for knowledge
15:30:25 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(3) connecting virtual fora
15:31:41 <JohnMadden> e.g. can trackback blogs, but result isn't "knowledge", too disconnected
15:31:51 <Donald_Doherty> Hmmm. Moved to Safari and it works. (Didn't load in my Firefox 3)
15:32:06 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(4) SIOC lens
15:33:01 <JohnMadden> SIOC creates middleware layer between social web and knowledge-focused image of social web
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15:33:41 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(5) The SIOC solution
15:33:43 <JohnMadden> slide 6: high level structure of SIOC
15:34:28 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(6) SIOC ontology
15:34:34 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(7) SIOC Food Chain
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15:35:44 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(8) Producing SIOC data
15:35:45 <JohnMadden> SIOC API's allow anybody to export their data in SIOC 
15:35:54 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(9) Consuming SIOC data
15:36:41 <ericP> s/Consuming/Collecting/
15:36:54 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(10) Consuming SIOC data
15:37:33 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(11) 3. Dissemination
15:37:45 <JohnMadden> http://sioc-project.org
15:38:29 <JohnMadden>  http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(13) lists some adopters
15:39:20 <JohnMadden>  http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/#(15) augment SIOC for various domains
15:39:36 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
15:39:56 <JohnMadden> Next: Tim Clark
15:40:19 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf SWAN SIOC slides
15:40:28 <ericP> [slide 2]
15:40:31 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (2) SQN & SIOC complementary
15:41:31 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (3) ecocystem emerging around SWAN and SCF, may integrate with SIOC
15:42:09 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (4)  now in beta with 60 Alzheimer's researchers to test if software meets their needs
15:42:30 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (5) what is SWAN?
15:43:31 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (6) SWAN website runs off a triplestore
15:43:49 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (7) what is SCF?
15:44:08 <JohnMadden> a special distro of Drupal designed to work with SWAN
15:44:25 <Zakim> +??P25
15:44:42 <ericP> Zakim, please mute ??P25
15:44:42 <Zakim> ??P25 should now be muted
15:45:02 <JohnMadden> vision: SCF may be infrastructure base for many biomedical research communities
15:45:05 <Huajun> Zakim +??P25 is Huajun
15:45:55 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (8) stembook is scf-based stemcell website
15:46:18 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf(9) PDOnline is an scf-based parkinson's site
15:46:41 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (10) SWAN architecture
15:46:48 <Zakim> -??P25
15:46:57 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf 11) SWAN ontology overview
15:47:56 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (12) SWAN has some interesting properties that capture hypothesis-making process
15:48:15 <JohnMadden> including disagreement/gap issues
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15:48:45 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (13) summarizes some of how hypotheses can interrelate in SWAN
15:49:06 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (14) want feedback!
15:49:24 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (15) Bibliography
15:49:52 <JohnMadden> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0723-SIOC/SWAN-SIOC.pdf (16) team and SWAN/DERI collab
15:50:43 <JohnMadden> Susie: SIOC/SWAN integration will be an HCLS task. If want to praticipate, sed email to Susie or tim
15:50:54 <JohnMadden> Next item: Susie--- open drug data
15:50:56 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/LODD
15:51:04 <kidehen> johnbreslin: do ping me re SIOC/SWAN, naturally interested in the SIOC mapping 
15:51:21 <johnbreslin> sure kidehen 
15:51:23 <JohnMadden> identifying public datasets with drug data
15:51:41 <JohnMadden> will then see if can formulate juicy questions
15:51:49 <JohnMadden> and see if can query in federated fashion
15:52:05 <JohnMadden> Susie will send out email on project with ???
15:52:22 <JohnMadden> Also, chris bizer is interested in federation principles
15:52:29 <JohnMadden> Next item: Chime
15:53:13 <JohnMadden> Task project idea #1: standard med terminologies to OWL/RDF
15:53:18 <kidehen> JohnMadden: I am interested in the LODD deployment efforts in relation to Linked Data principles etc..
15:53:43 <JohnMadden> This is for medical record terminologies (SNOMED CT, UMLS)
15:54:07 <JohnMadden> How can develp methods for taking these legacy terminologies and seeing if can extract OWL
15:54:16 <JohnMadden> without violating license restrictions
15:55:04 <JohnMadden> for example, can you develop extract/subset of a legacy terminology, create OWL and use without violating license
15:55:32 <JohnMadden> anybody want to suggest a use case?
15:56:21 <JohnMadden> Tim: disconnect now -- semweb is focused on FMA from WashU, but brain imagers don't use it
15:56:40 <JohnMadden> they use NeuroNames
15:56:54 <JohnMadden> it's informal vocabulary
15:58:09 <JohnMadden> Mary Kennedy: SNOMED was sold to IHTSDO in Denmark, now freely available in member countries. Also SNOEMD has drug subset
15:58:44 <JohnMadden> Helen: EU funded project ongoing in SNOMED Infect dis and antibiotics. Will contribute use case
15:59:18 <JohnMadden> Will SNOMED ever be released as OWL
15:59:45 <ericP> JohnMadden: i don't think SNOMED will ever be released as OWL
16:00:28 <ericP> ... Kent has created a translater from SNOMED triples to OWL
16:01:06 <JohnMadden> which I can get from Kent
16:01:11 <ericP> Topic: face to face
16:01:14 <ericP> next HCLS face to face 20-21 October (Mon-Tue) near Cannes FR, W3C Technical Plenary is the next day.
16:01:16 <JohnMadden> Next item: Next F2F
16:01:17 <ericP> -> http://www.pullmanhotels.com/pullman/fichehotel/gb/pul/1168/fiche_hotel.shtml Pullman Cannes Mandelieu Royal Casino, Mandelieu, (FR)
16:01:20 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/ TPAC Overview page
16:01:23 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/C4AE0D32.39E8%25ogbujic@ccf.org Chimé's announcement
16:01:25 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/ Registration page
16:02:44 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-hcls-minutes.html ericP
16:02:52 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
16:02:55 <Zakim> -??P2
16:02:57 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:02:58 <Zakim> - +1.617.947.aabb
16:02:58 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
16:02:58 <Zakim> -chimezie
16:02:59 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:02:59 <Zakim> - +46.4.63.3.aacc
16:03:00 <Zakim> -michel
16:03:02 <Zakim> -John_Madden
16:03:04 <Zakim> - +1.847.832.aadd
16:03:06 <Zakim> -??P17
16:03:08 <Zakim> -Susie
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16:33:09 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:39:35 <ericP> mscottm, network outtages here
16:39:57 <ericP> call me at +1.617.599.3509?
16:40:19 <Zakim> -EricP
16:43:57 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:43:58 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, John_Madden, Susie, +1.216.445.aaaa, +1.617.947.aabb, +46.4.63.3.aacc, chimezie, [Microsoft], +1.847.832.aadd, Vipul_Kashyap, michel, Kei_Cheung, Don_Doherty,
16:44:01 <Zakim> ... mscottm, Helen_Chen