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18:38:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:38:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
18:38:50 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:38:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:38:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 July 2008
18:39:00 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:39:00 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
18:39:12 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:39:12 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
18:39:21 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:39:21 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
18:39:23 <Zakim> +Shepazu
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18:41:01 <Zakim> +??P2
18:41:12 <smaug> Zakim, ??P2
18:41:12 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P2', smaug
18:41:15 <smaug> Zakim, ??P2 is me
18:41:15 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
18:41:27 <aemmons> zakim, who is here?
18:41:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Shepazu, smaug
18:41:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see weinig, Hixie, RRSAgent, Zakim, aemmons, arve, aroben_, MikeSmith, Lachy, smaug, timelyx, heycam, mjs, gavin__, hendry, krijnh, timeless, shepazu, gDashiva, trackbot,
18:41:30 <Zakim> ... inimino
18:41:36 <aemmons> zakim, ??p2 is me
18:41:36 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as smaug, aemmons
18:41:44 <aemmons> zakim, ??p1 is me
18:41:44 <Zakim> +aemmons; got it
18:43:53 <shepazu> scribeNick: smaug 
18:44:00 <shepazu> chair: shepazu 
18:45:09 <shepazu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/23_Jul_2008
18:45:25 <Zakim> +timeless
18:46:29 <shepazu> Topic: Non-namespaced event methods
18:47:06 <shepazu> Regrets next week: smaug, timeless 
18:47:39 <smaug> Topic: non-namespaced event methods
18:47:45 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/41
18:49:30 <smaug> smaug: why to not have non-NS methods ?
18:49:40 <smaug> shepazu: consistency is good, sure
18:50:03 <Zakim> +Carmelo
18:50:55 <smaug> aemmons: JSR I know aren't using CustomEvents
18:51:38 <smaug> shepazu: hopefully someone from JSRs joins a call...
18:51:58 <smaug> aemmons: issue is that there are several JSRs
18:55:41 <smaug> Resolution: create non-namespaced init methods
18:56:50 <smaug> ACTION: aemmons to contact JSR people, to inform that DOM 3 Events is actively edited
18:56:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - aemmons
18:58:33 <smaug> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/23_Jul_2008
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19:04:38 <shepazu> Topic: Tests
19:04:39 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/mth/harness
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19:05:38 <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to integrate D3E testsuite to that
19:06:25 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/tests/
19:07:24 <smaug> Action: Carmelo to start writing tests
19:07:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Start writing tests [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-07-30].
19:07:44 <smaug> shepazu: tests will be on CVS...
19:10:08 <smaug> timeless: dev.w3c.org would be ok for tests
19:11:25 <smaug> shepazu: I'll add some tests (made for svg) to testsuite as well
19:11:49 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/tests/Requirements.html
19:13:12 <smaug> shepazu: that list needs some updates
19:13:47 <smaug> shepazu: I'll cancel the next telcon, I think
19:14:04 <smaug> (because mozillians are away)
19:15:00 <smaug> Action: Carmelo to look at the latest editor's draft
19:15:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Look at the latest editor's draft [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-07-30].
19:15:11 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
19:15:12 <smaug> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
19:17:43 <smaug> shepazu: the draft has a "geek" stylesheet for assertions etc.
19:18:41 <smaug> shepazu: I'd like user to  be able to click an 'assertion' and get the test for that
19:20:46 <smaug> shepazu: should we post to www-dom?
19:20:51 <smaug> smaug: no
19:22:48 <timeless> no
19:23:59 <smaug> Topic: mutation events
19:24:35 <smaug> smaug: mutation events are evil
19:25:40 <smaug> aemmons: JSRs do have mutation events
19:27:09 <smaug> aemmons: we don't have mutation events in our base svg library
19:27:32 <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to get your, aemmons , feedback
19:27:50 <smaug> shepazu: ...if the changes can be made
19:28:21 <aemmons> s/in our base svg library/in our base svg library by default/
19:28:32 <smaug> shepazu: I don't think it is useful to have thing in spec that people aren't implementing
19:29:16 <smaug> shepazu: if we accept the proposal, we'd be deprecating some mutation events
19:29:29 <smaug> shepazu: replace them with new ones.
19:32:35 <smaug> smaug: how about Mousewheel deprecation ? Can implementation call itself D3E compliant without it?
19:33:34 <smaug> shepazu: we could perhaps say deprecated features aren't needed for compliant implementation
19:34:06 <smaug> shepazu: or say that Mousewheel is optional...
19:35:39 <smaug> shepazu: maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also ?
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19:39:13 <shepazu> s/maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also/maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also, since it is harmful to have non-interoperable parts of a spec, and Moz has stated they won't implement that/
19:41:05 <Zakim> -Carmelo
19:41:06 <Zakim> -aemmons
19:41:06 <Zakim> -timeless
19:41:33 <shepazu> action: talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument
19:41:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - talk
19:41:44 <Zakim> -smaug
19:41:50 <shepazu> action: shepazu to talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument
19:41:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-30].
19:42:05 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:42:06 <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
19:42:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, smaug, aemmons, timeless, Carmelo
19:43:05 <shepazu> Zakim, bye
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19:43:16 <shepazu> trackbot, make minutes
19:43:16 <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
19:43:27 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
19:43:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-webapps-minutes.html shepazu
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