14:04:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #svgig
14:04:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svgig-irc
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14:04:27 <ChrisL> zakim, this will be svgig
14:04:27 <Zakim> ok, ChrisL; I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 56 minutes
14:05:13 <ChrisL> zakim, remind me in 3 hours that timezones are tricksy
14:05:13 <Zakim> ok, ChrisL
14:10:47 <DavePorter> DavePorter has joined #svgig
14:12:44 <DavePorter> Hi Doug, is that you out there (shepazu)?  Mighty early for the meeting but that's cool.
14:18:18 <ChrisL> Hi Dave. Shepazu is indeed Doug.
14:19:35 <DavePorter> I'm a IRC greenhorn so I don't know the typical operating behavior, computer or human, in using this mode of communication.
14:20:17 <ChrisL> no problem. you type stuff, other people on the channel see it
14:20:26 <DavePorter> Yes, no rocket science at all.
14:20:38 <ChrisL> its handy for pasting URIs etc sather than reading them aloud on a phone call
14:20:47 <ChrisL> also there are two bots on this channel
14:21:04 <ChrisL> one, zakim, is an interface to our phone system 9also called Zakim)
14:21:25 <ChrisL> the other, rrsagent, is for logging. it allows minutes to be made automatically
14:21:46 <DavePorter> Well maybe it IS rocket science.  Thanks Chris.
14:22:13 <ChrisL> there are a few bits of - well, not rocket science but special commands, especially to the bots to get them to do things. But you will pick those up as you need them
14:22:24 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:22:24 <Zakim> GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has not yet started, ChrisL
14:22:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
14:22:58 <ChrisL> s/9also/(also/
14:23:20 <ChrisL> I just corrected a typo i made, by using the command s/9also/(also/
14:23:46 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
14:23:46 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svgig-irc#T14-23-46
14:24:35 <ChrisL> Now I asked rrsagent for a pointer to the log it is making
14:24:46 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
14:25:18 <ChrisL> and there, i set the access rights so the logs are public. which they should be on this channel by default, but just to be sure
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14:56:12 <Zakim> GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has now started
14:56:19 <Zakim> +Don_Doherty
14:57:36 <Zakim> + +1.425.865.aaaa
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15:00:11 <Zakim> +BenoitB
15:00:32 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
15:00:32 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
15:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.734.272.aabb
15:00:34 <Zakim> +Shepazu
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15:01:25 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
15:01:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 78444 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ChrisL
15:02:18 <Zakim> +ChrisL
15:02:35 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, +1.425.865.aaaa, BenoitB, +1.734.272.aabb, Shepazu, ChrisL
15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see bbezaire, Christophe, Rob_Russell, Donald_Doherty, DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
15:02:59 <ChrisL> zakim, where is 425?
15:03:01 <Zakim> + +0321632aacc
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15:03:06 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.425 is Washington
15:03:11 <Christophe> zakim, 032 is Christophe
15:03:16 <DavePorter> 425 is Bellevue, WA, USA
15:03:17 <ChrisL> zakim, where is 734?
15:03:21 <Zakim> sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '032'
15:03:25 <Christophe> zakim, +032 is Christophe
15:03:29 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.734 is Michigan
15:03:41 <Zakim> + +1.724.992.aadd
15:03:45 <Zakim> +Christophe; got it
15:03:59 <Zakim> + +1.512.427.aaee
15:04:37 <ChrisL> zakim, who is talking?
15:04:48 <Zakim> ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Don_Doherty (3%), +1.734.272.aabb (58%), +1.724.992.aadd (7%)
15:05:03 <Zakim> + +1.303.561.aaff
15:07:53 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Main_Page
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15:09:28 <shepazu> Zakim, 303 is Bruce_ 
15:09:28 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '303'
15:09:46 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:09:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, +1.425.865.aaaa, BenoitB, +1.734.272.aabb, Shepazu, ChrisL, Christophe, +1.724.992.aadd, +1.512.427.aaee, +1.303.561.aaff
15:09:46 <shepazu> Zakim, + +1.303 is Bruce_
15:09:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bruce_, Christophe, codedread, bbezaire, Rob_Russell, Donald_Doherty, DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
15:09:52 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.303 is Bruce_', shepazu
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15:10:23 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.425. is codedread 
15:10:23 <Zakim> +codedread; got it
15:10:50 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.425. is DavePorter 
15:10:50 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '+1.425.'
15:11:01 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:11:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, codedread, BenoitB, +1.734.272.aabb, Shepazu, ChrisL, Christophe, +1.724.992.aadd, +1.512.427.aaee, +1.303.561.aaff
15:11:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddailey, Bruce_, Christophe, codedread, bbezaire, Rob_Russell, Donald_Doherty, DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
15:11:12 <ddailey> I think i am here
15:11:16 <codedread> you are
15:11:19 <ChrisL> zakim, coderead is really DavePorter
15:11:19 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I do not recognize a party named 'coderead'
15:11:35 <shepazu> zakim, codedread is really DavePorter
15:11:35 <Zakim> +DavePorter; got it
15:11:54 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.512 is codedread 
15:11:54 <Zakim> +codedread; got it
15:12:11 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.724 is ddailey 
15:12:11 <Zakim> +ddailey; got it
15:12:21 <ChrisL> zakim, who is talking?
15:12:32 <Zakim> ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.734.272.aabb (30%)
15:12:40 <DavePorter> There sure is a lot of "crosstalk" on the audio, if there is any way to mute your microphone when not talking, that would be appreciated.
15:13:07 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.734 is Rob_Russell 
15:13:07 <Zakim> +Rob_Russell; got it
15:13:18 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here?
15:13:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, DavePorter, BenoitB, Rob_Russell, Shepazu, ChrisL, Christophe, ddailey, codedread, +1.303.561.aaff
15:13:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddailey, Bruce_, codedread, bbezaire, Rob_Russell, Donald_Doherty, DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
15:13:41 <shepazu> Zakim, +1.303 is Bruce_ 
15:13:41 <Zakim> +Bruce_; got it
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15:13:55 <shepazu> zakim, who's here?
15:13:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, DavePorter, BenoitB, Rob_Russell, Shepazu, ChrisL, Christophe, ddailey, codedread, Bruce_
15:13:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Christophe, ddailey, Bruce_, codedread, bbezaire, Rob_Russell, Donald_Doherty, DavePorter, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, shepazu, ed_work
15:14:51 <shepazu> scribenick: shepazu 
15:15:02 <shepazu> chair: jeff schiller
15:15:33 <shepazu> Donald_Doherty: been with w3c for 3 years (Brainstage) 
15:15:46 <shepazu> ... health care industry
15:15:56 <shepazu> ... we have an SVG application
15:16:09 <shepazu> ... in pittsburgh, pa
15:16:29 <shepazu> Bruce_: I'm in Denver, buildiing SVG Apps for years
15:17:24 <shepazu> Christophe: I work at Catholic University, interested in Web Accessibility
15:17:40 <shepazu> ... wrote report on accessibility issues in SVG
15:18:27 <shepazu> s/Catholic University/Catholic University in Leuven in Belgium/
15:19:39 <shepazu> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0006.html
15:20:01 <shepazu> Topic: SVG Book
15:20:49 <shepazu> ddailey: professor of computer science at slippery rock, worked with SVG for 5 years
15:21:09 <shepazu> ... background in graph theory
15:21:49 <shepazu> ... wrote a book on SVG, started 3 years ago
15:21:59 <shepazu> .... brought to Prentice Hall
15:22:22 <shepazu> ... they sat on it for a year, but were worried about the cost due to color graphics
15:22:53 <shepazu> ... wanted to refocus it on mobile, and publish electronically
15:22:55 <shepazu> ... good reviews otherwise
15:23:22 <shepazu> ... thought W3C might be a better venue, not worried about the money
15:23:41 <shepazu> ChrisL: excellent...
15:23:52 <shepazu> ... yes, color is hard for printers
15:24:16 <shepazu> ... not sure you'd get publication credit from an electronic version
15:24:35 <shepazu> ChrisL: this is great for people new to the subject
15:24:47 <shepazu> ... publisher interest seems to have cooled
15:26:27 <ChrisL> zakim, mute me
15:26:27 <Zakim> ChrisL should now be muted
15:26:40 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/resources/StateOfArt-Dailey.html
15:28:04 <ed_work> that's really nice, david++ :)
15:28:39 <Donald_Doherty> Great work David! Yes. Publish!!
15:29:10 <Bruce_> I think publishing this would be a great idea
15:29:21 <shepazu> shepazu: we have an opportunity to publish this at W3C, legal is drawing up a copyright assignment
15:29:43 <shepazu> would this group agree to the publication?
15:29:43 <ChrisL> adding links to examples would be helpful
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15:30:27 <shepazu> ddailey: we could make the examples live, since it will be a web document
15:30:57 <shepazu> Rob_Russell: making it live means maintenence 
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15:33:30 <shepazu> DavePorter: this looks terrific, but I have mild reservation about highlighting only one of many publications and resources
15:33:34 <shepazu> Resolution: pending approval by everyone on the SVG IG list, we will publish this book as a W3C note
15:33:55 <shepazu> Topic: SVG Community Site
15:35:33 <Bruce_> What about reusing your examples David? (copyright, credits?)
15:36:08 <shepazu> shepazu: this is only one of many resources, and we can link to all of them
15:37:00 <shepazu> ... on either the SVG IG page, or the SVG community site
15:38:15 <shepazu> Bruce_: what about reuse of the examples?
15:38:26 <shepazu> ddailey: up to w3c license
15:38:53 <shepazu> shepazu: that's a good use case, and I'll press that with Legal
15:39:50 <shepazu> codedread: we'd like to build upon the community sites and svg sites out there
15:40:15 <shepazu> ... Rob_Russell is working on a drupal installation
15:42:52 <shepazu> shepazu: svg.org is owned by someone else
15:42:54 <shepazu> ... rather not use that domain name
15:43:11 <shepazu> codedread: please let Rob_Russell or myself know if you want to help
15:45:27 <shepazu> DS describes the basic layout of SVG.org
15:46:13 <shepazu> Rob_Russell: I think Drupal can do all of that, with module
15:46:14 <DavePorter> As long as a proposed SVG community site comes up high in the response off a Google search, doesn't really matter much what domain it is or what it's called.  IMO.  Also, would be cool to have a more graphical-oriented interface, if that's not too risky to suggest.
15:47:53 <shepazu> shepazu: samples, howtos, etc.
15:48:08 <codedread> web software should have elements of:  blog, article publishing, wiki, possibility of mailing list
15:48:37 <shepazu> Rob_Russell: having it live svg has some costs, where IE doesn't render SVG
15:48:47 <shepazu> ... so we should have some fallback
15:49:21 <DavePorter> Have you seen w3schools.com, the code-exampleapproach where you've got a "source window" paired with a "result window" and you can get in there and edit the source, click "try it" or something and the result window changes.  
15:49:33 <shepazu> codedread: we need to let non-SVG browser users see some of the content
15:49:50 <DavePorter> That's a very cool open ended approach to demonstrating code examples.
15:50:36 <shepazu> Rob_Russell: header images and such for tutorials should have png fallbacks
15:50:56 <Bruce_> Isn't this what Wikipedia is doing? SVG if available, PNG as fallback
15:51:55 <shepazu> Rob_Russell: having progressive enhancement over time is best
15:53:05 <ed_work> wikipedia shows pngs in pages but allow you to get the source svg if you want
15:53:17 <DavePorter> Example: http://w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_background-repeat_no-repeat
15:53:24 <ddailey> It might also be fun to have "portal" or something of the sort into which people can go easily to see cool examples running SMIL and filters and so forth