IRC log of webapps on 2008-07-16
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- 18:31:32 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-irc
- 18:31:34 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 18:31:36 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be WAPP
- 18:31:36 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 18:31:37 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
- 18:31:37 [trackbot]
- Date: 16 July 2008
- 18:32:02 [shepazu]
- Zakim, call shepazu
- 18:32:02 [Zakim]
- sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
- 18:32:14 [shepazu]
- Zakim, this will be DOM3
- 18:32:14 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
- 18:32:23 [shepazu]
- Zakim, call shepazu
- 18:32:23 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; the call is being made
- 18:32:25 [Zakim]
- +Shepazu
- 18:33:32 [shepazu]
- Zakim, code
- 18:33:32 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'code', shepazu
- 18:33:39 [shepazu]
- zakim, code?
- 18:33:39 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
- 18:34:35 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 18:34:50 [smaug]
- Zakim, ??P4 is me
- 18:34:50 [Zakim]
- +smaug; got it
- 18:35:52 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 18:35:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], +358.504.86aaaa, Shepazu, smaug
- 18:35:53 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, weinig, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, smaug, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
- 18:36:15 [shepazu]
- Zakim, [Microsoft is Travis
- 18:36:15 [Zakim]
- +Travis; got it
- 18:36:30 [shepazu]
- Zakim, + is timeless
- 18:36:30 [Zakim]
- +timeless; got it
- 18:36:55 [Travis]
- Travis will scribe.
- 18:37:07 [Travis]
- scribenick: Travis
- 18:37:13 [shepazu]
- chair: Doug
- 18:37:22 [shepazu]
- regrets: Carmelo
- 18:37:47 [aemmons]
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- 18:37:55 [shepazu]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/16_Jul_2008
- 18:38:31 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 18:38:39 [aemmons]
- zakim, ??p9 is me
- 18:38:39 [Zakim]
- +aemmons; got it
- 18:40:29 [Travis]
- Topic: key identifiers
- 18:40:55 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
- 18:43:03 [aemmons]
- zakim, who is here?
- 18:43:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Travis, timeless, Shepazu, smaug, aemmons
- 18:43:04 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see aemmons, RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, weinig, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, smaug, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
- 18:43:48 [Travis]
- shepazu: Looking at the latest draft of DOM L3 Events
- 18:44:24 [Travis]
- ... using Geek alt. style, can see the testable assertions.
- 18:49:28 [Travis]
- ... now looking at changes in Appendix A.1.5
- 18:51:32 [Travis]
- ... The goal of key identifiers (I want feedback here): identify the key value as it is currently configured (key mapping + modifier keys, etc.)
- 18:51:42 [timeless]
- for reference, the n810 keyboard: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/2
- 18:52:23 [Travis]
- ... again: would like to identify what the current output of the key will be.
- 18:55:21 [Travis]
- Travis: Could we walk through an example?
- 18:55:35 [Travis]
- shepazu: Q key example.
- 18:55:59 [Travis]
- ... Press "1" key --> key identifier as "1"
- 18:56:16 [Travis]
- ... Press <shift>+"1" key --> key identifier as "!"
- 18:56:40 [Zakim]
- -aemmons
- 18:56:42 [timeless]
- for reference, http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx
- 19:00:01 [Travis]
- ... for "[" there's a unicode value (U+005B), a named value "LeftSquareBracket", and a character value "["
- 19:01:57 [Zakim]
- -timeless
- 19:02:18 [Zakim]
- +timeless
- 19:09:06 [Travis]
- Travis: To make things simpler, could provide seperate accessors for key char, key name, key unicode.
- 19:11:11 [Travis]
- Action: shepazu to define either three new attributes for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or an object that contains them and has stringification magic)
- 19:11:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-14 - Define either three new attributes for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or an object that contains them and has stringification magic) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].
- 19:12:16 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-KeyboardEvents-Interfaces
- 19:17:12 [Travis]
- Issue: If accessKeys are a key scenario, might want to define an AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of DOM Events.
- 19:17:12 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-40 - If accessKeys are a key scenario, might want to define an AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of DOM Events. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/40/edit .
- 19:20:32 [Travis]
- shepazu: IME (input method editors) are still and open issue (Working on this...)
- 19:21:02 [Travis]
- ... Also, trying to get this spec to last call in 1 to 1-1/2 months. Trying hard to resolve open issues...
- 19:24:16 [Travis]
- Topic: mouseenter/mouseleave
- 19:26:17 [mjs]
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- 19:27:42 [weinig]
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- 19:29:05 [smaug]
- argh
- 19:29:13 [Zakim]
- -smaug
- 19:30:34 [smaug]
- will be back
- 19:31:47 [Travis]
- Travis: mouseenter/mouseleave can be simulated using the existing DOM L3 constructs mouseover/mouseout.
- 19:32:11 [Travis]
- ... the value-add is in the convenience that these events offer for certain scenarios.
- 19:33:14 [Travis]
- (Most of these scenarios involved tracking the mouse pointer around the visual layout of the web page (versus a document-tree navigation model)
- 19:33:50 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 19:33:51 [Travis]
- ... In the interest of closing on DOM L3 events, may want to consider this for a future version of the spec.
- 19:34:25 [timeless]
- Zakim, ??P4 is smaug
- 19:34:25 [Zakim]
- +smaug; got it
- 19:36:02 [Travis]
- Resolution: Defer mouseenter/mouseleave for a later version of DOM Events.
- 19:36:03 [Zakim]
- -smaug
- 19:37:35 [Travis]
- shepazu: As a convenience method this is definately worth investigating...
- 19:37:55 [Travis]
- Action: shepazu to create list of future events to add to a future spec.
- 19:37:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-15 - Create list of future events to add to a future spec. [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].
- 19:38:11 [Travis]
- (multiple input, accessKey, mouseenter/leave
- 19:38:50 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who's here??
- 19:38:50 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, shepazu.
- 19:38:56 [timeless]
- zakim, who is here?
- 19:38:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Travis, Shepazu, timeless
- 19:38:57 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see weinig, mjs, RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
- 19:39:54 [Travis]
- shepazu: Any other issues to bring up, or are we done?
- 19:41:52 [smaug]
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- 19:42:11 [smaug]
- so great
- 19:42:19 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 19:42:25 [smaug]
- Zakim, ??P4 is me
- 19:42:25 [Zakim]
- +smaug; got it
- 19:42:55 [smaug]
- Sorry, the WLAN here @summer cottage just went down
- 19:45:33 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-DOMCharacterDataModified
- 20:04:40 [Travis]
- Adios.
- 20:04:40 [Zakim]
- -smaug
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- -timeless
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- -Shepazu
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- -Travis
- 20:04:50 [Zakim]
- IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
- 20:04:51 [Zakim]
- Attendees were [Microsoft], +358.504.86aaaa, Shepazu, smaug, Travis, timeless, aemmons
- 20:05:12 [timeless]
- zakim: +358.504.86aaaa is me
- 20:05:40 [shepazu]
- don't sweat it :)
- 20:05:46 [shepazu]
- Zakim, bye
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- 20:05:58 [shepazu]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 20:05:58 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html shepazu
- 20:08:11 [smaug]
- sorry about the network problems
- 20:08:39 [shepazu]
- np
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- 23:10:34 [heycam]
- shepazu, gotta wait for chris' reply to the shortname change before the webidl publication can happen
- 23:10:56 [SunavaD]
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- 23:11:08 [shepazu]
- heycam: yeah
- 23:11:23 [shepazu]
- although I think the request should go to plh
- 23:11:34 [heycam]
- ah right
- 23:11:55 [heycam]
- in the process document it said director approval. where's it documented that that sort of thing is delegated to domain leads?
- 23:15:49 [shepazu]
- no idea :)
- 23:21:30 [anne]
- at least one e-mail from ij somewhere
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