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12:32:29 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:32:29 <Zakim> ok, shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM already started
12:32:37 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:32:37 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:32:39 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:32:52 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:32:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], CarlosV, Shadi
12:33:02 <shadi> zakim, ibm is really Mike
12:33:02 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
12:33:08 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:33:37 <Zakim> +CarlosI
12:34:03 <shadi> zakim, carlosV is really Johannes
12:34:03 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
12:34:17 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jul/0007.html
12:34:25 <shadi> agenda+ Updates and announcements
12:34:37 <shadi> agenda+ Review Pointers-in-RDF editor's draft
12:34:50 <shadi> agenda+ Describing WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and Techniques
12:34:59 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:35:13 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
12:36:17 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:36:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updates and announcements" taken up [from shadi]
12:38:20 <carlosI> SAZ: publication is on the queue
12:38:33 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4
12:39:26 <carlosI> SAZ: nearby update
12:39:37 <carlosI> SAZ: ask for comments for a couple of days
12:40:10 <carlosI> SAZ: have a look now to the scope section
12:44:33 <carlosI> SAZ: next topic is F2F date and venue
12:45:24 <carlosI> SAZ: seems that AT WG is meeting at the plennary
12:46:03 <carlosI> SAZ: ERT WG members are very welcome to their meetings 
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12:48:46 <carlosI> SAZ: would be fairly easy to meet just after or before the TPAC
12:49:10 <carlosI> SAZ: can not get a room during the TPAC
12:52:58 <carlosI> CI: what are F2F objectives?
12:53:10 <carlosI> SAZ: mainly put all the pieces together
12:53:27 <carlosI> SAZ: also solve any potential pending issue
12:54:20 <carlosI> SAZ: may be easier get our independent F2F appart from TPAC
12:55:46 <carlosI> SAZ: we can think about the beginning of October
12:57:13 <carlosI> SAZ: we can mark 3rd of Nov as a potential date
12:57:59 <carlosI> SAZ: anyway you are all welcome to come to the TPAC
12:58:29 <carlosI> SAZ: remember some meetings are member only and need to contact with the group chair
12:58:52 <carlosI> MS: venue for October?
12:59:21 <carlosI> SAZ: near Cologne
12:59:37 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:59:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review Pointers-in-RDF editor's draft" taken up [from shadi]
13:00:46 <shadi> scribe: Mike
13:00:46 <MikeS> scribe: Mike
13:00:51 <shadi> scribenick: MikeS
13:01:06 <MikeS> zakim, mute Mike
13:01:06 <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
13:01:07 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Pointers/WD-Pointers-20080623
13:01:52 <MikeS> CI: open issues include XPath v. XPointer pointers
13:01:59 <MikeS> ...XPointerPointe now subclass of XPathPointer
13:02:17 <MikeS> ...Namespace class with prefix and URI properties but where does it belong?
13:02:50 <MikeS> ...working on pointers best practices
13:03:27 <MikeS> ...editorial improvements to intro and abstract
13:04:10 <MikeS> ...pointers into HTML docs
13:04:26 <MikeS> ...changed RangePointer to CompoundPointer
13:06:24 <MikeS> ...consider making char optional property
13:06:38 <MikeS> ...in LangChar class
13:06:59 <MikeS> ..any priorities within these issues?
13:07:59 <MikeS> ...created an issues document and can send to list
13:08:49 <MikeS> SAZ: document is looking good and get into public working draft
13:09:20 <MikeS> ..rules can be put into the document rather than separate
13:10:02 <MikeS> ...forget about joint example for now
13:10:12 <MikeS> ..can be tackled at F2F
13:11:13 <MikeS> CI: thinking more of contained examples, small snippet pointers with actual docs
13:12:21 <MikeS> SAZ: RDF Primer actually uses snippets from full document but that doc is not in the actual spec
13:12:42 <MikeS> ...not CI's responsibility to look across all docs and allign them
13:13:38 <MikeS> ...fewer nesting levels is prefered but up to CI
13:14:21 <MikeS> zakim, unmute Mike
13:14:21 <Zakim> Mike should no longer be muted
13:15:23 <MikeS> CI: two options for HTMLPointer
13:15:59 <MikeS> ...take it out of the document completely
13:16:10 <MikeS> ....leave it as placeholder and try to distinguish as much as possible
13:16:48 <MikeS> SAZ: 3rd option - real example, more than just a placeholder
13:17:14 <MikeS> ...can we provide a suffficient definition of HTMLPointer?
13:17:56 <MikeS> CI: pointer used to point to documents that are not well-formed
13:19:06 <MikeS> MS: problem is example of HTMLPointer, not definition
13:19:33 <MikeS> CI: two definitions, one based on serialization / normalization
13:19:45 <MikeS> ...other was simplified expression based on hierarchy of elements
13:20:09 <MikeS> ....more in favor of simplified expression bc serialization is out of our domain and resources
13:21:04 <MikeS> ...in favor of simplified approach and wait to see what HTML5 does with serialization / normalization
13:21:57 <MikeS> SAZ: much more discussion of two options CI mentioned
13:22:35 <MikeS> MS: prefer to elave it in bc it indicates mindfulness of our attention to web contnet
13:23:24 <MikeS> JK: add something and see what directions we get from reviewers
13:23:41 <MikeS> CI: also get feedback on work on normalization and how this fits
13:24:28 <MikeS> SAZ: what is the feeling about a public issues document?
13:24:36 <MikeS> JK: could use tracker to track issues
13:25:15 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tracker/
13:25:38 <MikeS> SAZ: public page for tracker so that not restricted to members
13:26:26 <MikeS> ...people can start working with tracker, using products = documents
13:26:39 <MikeS> ...anybody can open an issue  or add actions or change status
13:27:38 <MikeS> SAZ: any objections to CompoundPointer over RangePointer?
13:28:09 <MikeS> RESOLUTION: use CompoundPointer rather than RangePointer
13:28:46 <MikeS> SAZ: RDF domains and optional char property
13:30:11 <MikeS> SAZ: pick up domains in content n RDF
13:30:37 <MikeS> ...thoughts on next emeting?
13:30:58 <MikeS> CI: on vacation so not sure of availability during regular meeting time
13:31:06 <MikeS> MS: available
13:31:15 <MikeS> JK: traveling and will check with CV
13:31:34 <MikeS> SAZ: send out agenda on Mon and confirm availability
13:31:47 <MikeS> MS: not available following week, Jul 30
13:31:53 <Zakim> -Johannes
13:31:56 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:31:59 <Zakim> -Mike
13:32:49 <shadi> zakim, drop carlosI
13:32:49 <Zakim> CarlosI is being disconnected
13:32:51 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:32:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Mike, CarlosI, Johannes
13:33:04 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:33:18 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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13:33:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-er-minutes.html shadi
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13:33:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items