IRC log of svg on 2008-07-15

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Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
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Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 July 2008
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10:33:20 [aemmons]
zakim, ??p0 is me
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+aemmons; got it
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Zakim, ??p1 is me
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+ed_; got it
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Zakim, ??P2 is me
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+anthony; got it
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10:34:00 [ChrisL]
Hi folks
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Zakim, ??P3 is me
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+heycam; got it
10:34:13 [aemmons]
Hi Chris!
10:34:23 [ChrisL]
I'm still sorting out a phone here (my regular phone line is out of order)
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10:35:08 [ed_]
Zakim, who is noisy?
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ed_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: aemmons (42%), anthony (5%)
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Scribe: anthony
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Chair: Andrew Emmons
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Regrets: None
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Topic: Test Fest
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11:16:25 [anthony]
Zakim, ??P2 is me
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+anthony; got it
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ACTION: anthony to Check the test report generation script to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match occurs with a test
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Created ACTION-2098 - Check the test report generation script to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match occurs with a test [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-07-22].
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11:36:07 [anthony]
Zakim, ??P2 is me
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+anthony; got it
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11:40:41 [aemmons]
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[Discussion about organisation]
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11:41:07 [anthony]
Topic: Two progressive rendering questions
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CM: It's really just a couple of questions to clarify things for me
11:41:33 [anthony]
... I was reading through the section for the script thing
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... question is a bit long
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... so I don't mind if people reply to that offline
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AE: I wouldn't mind some more time to go over that
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DS: Same
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CM: That's fine
11:42:51 [ChrisL]
11:42:52 [aemmons]
11:43:00 [anthony]
Topic: Mistakes in the attribute index appendix (ISSUE-2005)
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CM: So I noticed there a number of incorrect entries in that
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... I thought it was automatically generated
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CL: I think so
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CM: A couple of things that were confused because of the scripts that generated it
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... minor mistakes
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CL: So I'd like a little bit of time to check this
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... I suspect it's probably reasonable
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... the reason I'm slightly hesitant is on font family I think it should have the value all
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... and when I look at the proposed errata
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CM: That's what's actually published
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CL: So the ones on font face
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... shouldn't they include the value all?
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CM: I copied those out of the DTD
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CL: I'd have to go over those before accepting them
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... in general it looks good
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ACTION: Chris to review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back
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Created ACTION-2099 - Review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-07-22].
11:47:03 [anthony]
CL: I'll see if I can get that done by next Tuesday
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Topic: Testing animation of empty string values (ISSUE-2010)
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CM: Test has a semicolon at the end of a value for animation
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... some implementations accept it
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... Bitflash is one of them
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AE: Up until a few months ago we disallowed it
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... but we got complaints
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... that content was being generated with it like that
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CL: Having a semicolon at the end of the list is fine if it is always required
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... is there are final blank entry
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... and does it matter
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CM: I think this is an important thing to specify
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... if there are going to be empty string
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... so you can see I got varied results
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... with empty string in the middle and at the end
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CL: If it doesn't introduce an ambiguity I'd be fine with changing it
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... but if it does we need to think about it more
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ED: I'm wondering if it can escape string values
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... or escape it somehow with like a backslash
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CM: So somethings are escaping for specific attribute types
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... rather than a general escaping mechanism
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... so there is a similar problem in there
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... if you have a URL with a semicolon
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... would have to percent escape it
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... one thing you could say if you want an empty string is that
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... you have a "#" there
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... because it's the same
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... or say there are two semicolons at the end
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... and the last one is an optional termination
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AE: I'm happy with that
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... have empty values
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... with the last one ignored
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ACTION: Cameron to reword the animation values such that a final semicolon is ignored
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Created ACTION-2100 - Reword the animation values such that a final semicolon is ignored [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-07-22].
11:59:59 [anthony]
DS: Are we changing something we use or are we changing something in SMIL?
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CM: We change what SMIL says but it will make us slightly divergent
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AE: Aren't there places like that already?
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... I think we already have the wording in there for SMIL
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... [Reads out spec]
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... So in there we can say this is our SVG specif rule
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Zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were aemmons, ed_, anthony, heycam, Doug_Schepers, ChrisL
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I have made the request to generate anthony
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15:02:25 [ed_work]
hmm... so 1.1 doesn't really define if xlink:href is animatable on a script element