IRC log of ua on 2008-06-26

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zakim, code?
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sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is
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meeting: #ua
17:59:09 [Judy]
zakim, this will be WAI_UA
17:59:09 [Zakim]
ok, Judy; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Judy
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+Jeanne
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+Judy
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+??P10
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zakim, ??p10 is Simon
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+Simon; got it
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zakim, simon is Simon_Harper
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+Simon_Harper; got it
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly_Ford
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+Kelly_Ford; got it
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scribenick:jeanne
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regrets: Jim Allan, Jan Richards
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topic: July 3rd meeting
18:12:31 [jeanne]
JB: Light turnout today, so we will need to do more work. Kelly, Simon and Jeanne are available. Judy may be traveling. US Holiday on the 4th.
18:12:47 [jeanne]
...We will check back at the end of the meeting, and check with the list.
18:13:04 [jeanne]
topic: Charter
18:16:24 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne will update the Charter to add the Testing Materials document to the Success Critieria and the milestones updated with all documents.
18:17:18 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne will check the Process document to see if all the deliverables have to be tracked in the Milestones section.
18:19:50 [jeanne]
JB: would like to see publication before December for Techniques.
18:20:14 [jeanne]
KF: Thinks that December is a realistic date.
18:21:20 [jeanne]
JB: Reviews the publication process: Editors draft, Public Working Draft (which should be published about every 3 months).\
18:21:42 [jeanne]
...Techniques are not normative, and are not fixed. It can start incomplete.
18:23:11 [jeanne]
SH: We are in the process of publishing a literature review where techniques and solutions to accessibility problems.
18:23:48 [jeanne]
...It is in the form of a technical report. Would have no problems releasing it to the group.
18:24:09 [jeanne]
JB: Did you look at the Requirements document for UAAG 2.0?
18:25:36 [jeanne]
SH: This is the second draft, it has about 70 citations, but I expect it to be at 140 by the end.
18:28:16 [jeanne]
ACTION: Change Charter Timeline View Summary for December 2008 to say "First Working Draft of Techniques"
18:29:01 [jeanne]
KF: Reasonable to publish 2 drafts before December would be reasonable. It will be a chance to put more action into the group.
18:29:36 [jeanne]
KF: Recommend publishing in the middle of August and middle of November.
18:30:35 [jeanne]
JB: August is not a good time because of holidays. Aiming for September 2008 would be more realistic.
18:31:07 [jeanne]
...Then do a tandem release of Guidelines and Techniques so they are published together.
18:31:20 [jeanne]
...in December 2008.
18:31:53 [jeanne]
JB: There is no schedule of the Test Suite in the Timeline view.
18:32:54 [jeanne]
JB: When is it reasonable to start bringing the Test Suite on line? Sometime in Q2 2009 we should have test materials coming on line.
18:33:22 [jeanne]
KF: It seems reasonable. We would be able to contribute some tests.
18:34:09 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne add in "First Draft of Test Materials for June 2009"
18:34:31 [jeanne]
SH: What sort of Test Materials?
18:35:11 [jeanne]
JB: There is flexibility, we need to write a requirements document. It has been an issue with WCAG Test Suite with many opinions. '
18:37:10 [jeanne]
SH: Is the Eclipse ACTF AccProbe which allows testing of content and user interface.
18:37:16 [Judy]
http://www.eclipse.org/actf/
18:37:34 [Judy]
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/actf/
18:38:44 [Judy]
UAAG 1.0 old test materials: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
18:38:46 [jeanne]
SH: Validation agent in AccProbe is mature for testing user interfaces, not as mature for testing content.
18:39:12 [jeanne]
SH: We may be able to use some XML test routines by December.
18:39:36 [jeanne]
...they are trying to move it to Firefox, Opera and IE platform.
18:39:52 [jeanne]
JB: This would be good to have a briefing on this in the next few months.
18:40:24 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne will schedule a meeting for a briefing on AccProbe with background material.
18:41:34 [jeanne]
JB: Recommend adding a deliverable at beginning of 2. Add a requirements document for the Test Materials as an internal document and perhaps a W3C note.
18:41:58 [jeanne]
JB: Let's not add it to the list but keep that in mind.
18:42:38 [jeanne]
JB: Jeanne and I will add in quarterly steps before bringing it to Management Team.
18:44:09 [jeanne]
There were no objections to Jeanne and Judy working on the timeline.
18:44:24 [jeanne]
topic: Keyboard topics
18:44:44 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/keyboardProposals20080624.html
18:45:47 [jeanne]
JB: Jim sent out a number of emails of different issues. Jeanne pulled it into one page where it could be compared in the larger structure of the Guideline.
19:01:23 [jeanne]
JB: We need to condense and streamline this section. The titles for each section need to be more clear.
19:02:22 [jeanne]
... for example, Precedence of Keystroke Processing (4.1.2) should be Documentation of Keystroke Processing
19:02:49 [jeanne]
... "Chrome" interface is redundant.
19:03:09 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne will work on cleaning up the page for Monday.
19:04:02 [jeanne]
s/the page/the page with the comparison of the keyboard proposals
19:04:57 [jeanne]
SH, KF, are available for July 10. Judy and Jeanne will check people's availability for the 3rd.
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-Simon_Harper
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-Judy
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