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14:58:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-hcls-irc
14:58:30 <mt> mt has joined #HCLS
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14:58:53 <chimezie> Zakim, what conferences?
14:58:53 <Zakim> I see XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_SVGIG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM active
14:58:55 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_Global(review)8:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, W3C_(W3F_TF)8:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, Team_(unicorn)14:01Z, WS_DescWG()11:00AM,
14:59:00 <Zakim> ... SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, INC_EMOXG()10:00AM
14:59:08 <chimezie> Zakim, list conferences
14:59:08 <Zakim> I see XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_SVGIG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM active
14:59:11 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_Global(review)8:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, W3C_(W3F_TF)8:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, Team_(unicorn)14:01Z, WS_DescWG()11:00AM,
14:59:13 <Zakim> ... SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, INC_EMOXG()10:00AM
14:59:22 <andreasplendiani> andreasplendiani has joined #HCLS
14:59:39 <chimezie> Zakim, this is SW_HCLS
14:59:39 <Zakim> ok, chimezie; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
14:59:40 <Zakim> +shadi
14:59:49 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.704.597.aaaa, +1.314.274.aabb, ??P37, shadi
14:59:57 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:59:57 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:59:58 <Zakim> +EricP
15:00:14 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP
15:00:14 <Zakim> EricP is being disconnected
15:00:15 <Zakim> -EricP
15:00:35 <chimezie> Karen Meyers, asked to empty the line while I was on, so I hung up
15:00:35 <mscottm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.704.597.aaaa, +1.314.274.aabb, ??P37, shadi
15:00:46 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:00:46 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:00:47 <Zakim> +EricP
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
15:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.215.652.aacc
15:00:56 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP
15:00:56 <Zakim> EricP is being disconnected
15:00:58 <Zakim> -EricP
15:01:22 <chimezie> ericP: can you confirm that it is okay to dial in? Karen, had asked to empty the line and wait until the top of the hour
15:01:26 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
15:01:31 <ericP> yes, tx chimezie 
15:01:35 <chimezie> np
15:01:40 <kidehen> kidehen has joined #hcls
15:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.703.740.aaee
15:01:41 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
15:01:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:01:51 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:01:54 <mscottm> Zakim, +1.314.274.aabb is mscottm
15:02:03 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Scott_Marshall
15:02:11 <Zakim> +Karen
15:02:23 <mscottm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.704.597.aaaa, mscottm, ??P37, shadi, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, Scott_Marshall, Karen
15:02:39 <Zakim> + +29928aaff
15:02:44 <Karen> Karen has joined #hcls
15:02:52 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:03:03 <Zakim> + +1.212.937.aagg
15:03:09 <mscottm> Zakim, +1.704.597.aaaa is cthompso
15:03:10 <Zakim> +cthompso; got it
15:03:19 <marco> I'm in
15:03:25 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:26 <andreasplendiani> +29928aaff is andreasplendiani
15:03:26 <mscottm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see cthompso, mscottm, ??P37, shadi, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, Scott_Marshall, Karen, +29928aaff (muted),
15:03:33 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.212.937.aagg
15:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see cthompso, mscottm, ??P37, shadi, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, Scott_Marshall, Karen, +29928aaff (muted),
15:03:38 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.212.937.aagg
15:03:56 <kei> kei has joined #HCLS
15:04:01 <Zakim> +??P60
15:04:05 <tslater> ted slater is at the 314-274-xxxx number
15:04:16 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see cthompso, mscottm, ??P37, shadi, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, Scott_Marshall, Karen, +29928aaff (muted),
15:04:20 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.212.937.aagg, ??P60
15:04:26 <matthiassamwald> Zakim, ??P60 is matthiassamwald
15:04:26 <Zakim> +matthiassamwald; got it
15:04:31 <andreasplendiani> Hi, sorry I've skipped the "voice presentation", I'm both on call and irc
15:04:59 <Donald_Doherty> Donald_Doherty has joined #HCLS
15:05:07 <andreasplendiani> zakim, +29928aaff is andreasplendiani
15:05:07 <Zakim> +andreasplendiani; got it
15:05:13 <matthiassamwald> Hi everyone, I'm sitting in a meeting, so I CAN ONLY LISTEN, not talk.
15:05:17 <mscottm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see cthompso, mscottm, ??P37, shadi, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, Scott_Marshall, Karen, andreasplendiani
15:05:20 <Zakim> ... (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.212.937.aagg, matthiassamwald
15:05:37 <kei> I got the message saying the conference is full
15:05:39 <Huajun> The conference room is full? The system can not let me in.
15:05:57 <Helen> Helen has joined #hcls
15:06:03 <chimezie> ericP: the conference is full, apparently
15:06:10 <Donald_Doherty> Same here.
15:06:33 <ericP> looks like we didn't get the 30
15:06:44 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.703.740.aaee is David Nwoabia
15:06:44 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.703.740.aaee is David Nwoabia', chimezie
15:07:03 <ericP> anyone here have audio? mscottm ?
15:07:16 <mscottm> yes, we do.
15:07:17 <tslater> correct spelling of david's name is Nwokeabia
15:07:59 <mscottm> eric - can we let more people in to the irc channel? (sorry for repeats)
15:08:16 <mbevil> mbevil has joined #HCLS
15:08:46 <Huajun> This time I got a message saying the passcode is not valid, what do we do?
15:09:01 <Zakim> -Karen
15:09:12 <chimezie> Huajun: did you use this code?
15:09:16 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
15:09:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:09:19 <ericP> mscottm, please tell everyone to disconnect, wait 2 mins, and dial back in
15:09:30 <matthiassamwald> i am dialed in via skype, i could act as a proxy for 1-2 other people that have skype.
15:09:36 <josh> josh has joined #hcls
15:09:45 <Zakim> -??P37
15:09:48 <ericP> mscottm, did you get that?
15:09:49 <Zakim> - +1.212.937.aagg
15:09:51 <Zakim> -Kingsley_Idehen
15:09:52 <Zakim> - +0186528aadd
15:09:54 <ericP> i guess so
15:09:55 <Zakim> -mscottm
15:09:56 <Zakim> - +1.215.652.aacc
15:09:56 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
15:09:57 <Zakim> -cthompso
15:09:59 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:09:59 <Zakim> -shadi
15:10:00 <Zakim> -Scott_Marshall
15:10:05 <Zakim> - +1.703.740.aaee
15:10:06 <Zakim> -andreasplendiani
15:10:10 <Zakim> -matthiassamwald
15:10:11 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
15:10:12 <ericP> josh, can you monitor and make sure noone connects before every else leaves?
15:10:13 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, EricP, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aacc, +0186528aadd, +1.703.740.aaee, Kerstin_Forsberg, mscottm, Scott_Marshall, Karen, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.212.937.aagg,
15:10:15 <mscottm> yes, I got that - just reannounced.
15:10:16 <Zakim> ... cthompso, matthiassamwald, andreasplendiani
15:10:25 <chimezie> ericP: only those who are on, will know to disconnect, so you might have to forcibly shut down the conference line, otherwise
15:10:26 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
15:10:33 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa
15:10:53 <ericP> josh, did we get the bigger conf?
15:10:54 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:10:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0186528aaaa
15:10:55 <Huajun> shall we call in now?
15:10:59 <Zakim> + +1.703.740.aabb
15:11:02 <Zakim> - +0186528aaaa
15:11:03 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa
15:11:04 <ericP> josh, i see someone on the linne
15:11:05 <Zakim> +Scott_Marshall
15:11:09 <josh> I've no way of knowing
15:11:21 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aacc
15:11:25 <Zakim> - +0186528aaaa
15:11:28 <mscottm> Zakim says that I've dialed in but it's not true!
15:11:39 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:11:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Scott_Marshall, +1.781.273.aacc
15:11:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see josh, mbevil, Helen, Donald_Doherty, kei, Karen, kidehen, andreasplendiani, tslater, mt, RRSAgent, mscottm, cthompso, Zakim, matthiassamwald, chimezie, marco, Huajun,
15:11:44 <Zakim> ... jar286, dbooth, ericP
15:11:47 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect 1.703.740.aabb
15:11:47 <marco> I hear music?
15:11:48 <Zakim> - +1.781.273.aacc
15:11:49 <mscottm> I know - it's my colleague Marco Roos dialing in from work.
15:11:52 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not see a party named '1.703.740.aabb'
15:11:54 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect Scott_Marshall
15:11:58 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:12:00 <Zakim> Scott_Marshall is being disconnected
15:12:00 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect +1.781.273.aacc
15:12:04 <Zakim> -Scott_Marshall
15:12:06 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not see a party named '+1.781.273.aacc'
15:12:06 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect Kerstin_Forsberg
15:12:08 <jzhao> jzhao has joined #HCLS
15:12:12 <Zakim> Kerstin_Forsberg is being disconnected
15:12:14 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
15:12:20 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:12:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb
15:12:33 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect 1.703.740.aabb
15:12:34 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
15:12:36 <Zakim> - +0186528aadd
15:12:36 <vipul> vipul has joined #hcls
15:12:38 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
15:12:41 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect +0186528aadd
15:12:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see jzhao, josh, mbevil, Helen, Donald_Doherty, kei, Karen, kidehen, andreasplendiani, tslater, mt, RRSAgent, mscottm, cthompso, Zakim, matthiassamwald, chimezie, marco,
15:12:45 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:12:47 <Zakim> ... Huajun, jar286, dbooth, ericP
15:12:49 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not see a party named '1.703.740.aabb'
15:12:53 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
15:12:55 <Zakim> +0186528aadd is being disconnected
15:12:59 <Zakim> - +0186528aadd
15:13:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen
15:13:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, jzhao, josh, mbevil, Helen, Donald_Doherty, kei, Karen, kidehen, andreasplendiani, tslater, mt, RRSAgent, mscottm, cthompso, Zakim, matthiassamwald, chimezie,
15:13:16 <Zakim> ... marco, Huajun, jar286, dbooth, ericP
15:13:23 <Huajun> This is not gonna work, more people not in here are calling in
15:13:26 <Zakim> + +1.215.652.aaee
15:13:35 <kidehen> kidehen is "Kingsley_Idehen" 
15:13:36 <ericP> we may have gotten it
15:13:39 <Zakim> +Scott_Marshall
15:13:44 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:13:45 <Zakim> + +1.650.355.aaff
15:13:46 <Zakim> + +0186528aagg
15:13:52 <mscottm> Zakim, Scott_Marshal is marco
15:13:52 <Zakim> +marco; got it
15:13:54 <jzhao> jun zhao
15:13:57 <Zakim> +mscottm
15:14:21 <Zakim> + +1.781.904.aahh
15:14:35 <tslater> dialed back in successfully
15:14:41 <Zakim> + +1.212.937.aaii
15:14:48 <mscottm> we just 'rebooted' our teleconference
15:14:48 <Zakim> + +1.207.963.aajj
15:14:49 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:14:52 <Zakim> + +7.233.aakk
15:14:57 <Zakim> +cthompso
15:15:07 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:15:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', chimezie
15:15:09 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:15:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aaee, marco, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aagg, +1.650.355.aaff, mscottm, +1.781.904.aahh, +1.212.937.aaii,
15:15:12 <Zakim> ... +1.207.963.aajj, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso
15:15:20 <AdrianP> AdrianP has joined #HCLS
15:15:23 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
15:16:08 <Zakim> + +0493516aall
15:16:09 <matthiassamwald> Is anyone still having problems with dialing in?
15:16:22 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:16:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aaee, marco, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aagg, +1.650.355.aaff, mscottm, +1.781.904.aahh, +1.212.937.aaii,
15:16:34 <Zakim> ... +1.207.963.aajj, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso, Kei_Cheung, +0493516aall
15:16:47 <mt> zakim, +1.650.355.aaff is mt
15:16:47 <Zakim> +mt; got it
15:16:50 <Zakim> +andreasplendiani
15:16:50 <mscottm> like this: Zakim, number is ircname
15:17:08 <kidehen> zakim, +1 617 273 0900 is kidehen
15:17:08 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1 617 273 0900 is kidehen', kidehen
15:17:12 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:17:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aaee, marco, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aagg, mt, mscottm, +1.781.904.aahh, +1.212.937.aaii, +1.207.963.aajj,
15:17:15 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso, Kei_Cheung, +0493516aall, andreasplendiani (muted)
15:17:17 <mbevil> ZAKIM 215.652.2134 is mbevil
15:17:19 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:17:19 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:17:32 <mbevil> ZAKIM, 215.652.2134 is mbevil
15:17:32 <Zakim> sorry, mbevil, I do not recognize a party named '215.652.2134'
15:17:34 <kidehen> zakim: +1 617 273 0900 is kidehen
15:17:46 <jzhao> Zakim +0186528aagg is jzhao
15:17:57 <kidehen> zakim: + 781 273 0900 is kidehen
15:18:07 <chimezie> vipul, are you dialing in?
15:18:16 <Zakim> +Don_Doherty
15:18:18 <kforsber> kforsber has joined #hcls
15:18:26 <matthiassamwald> didn't i just hear vipul?
15:18:34 <kidehen> zakim +1 781 273 0900 is kidehen
15:18:44 <AdrianP> Can you please paste the URL to the slides into the IRC
15:18:54 <tslater> Zakim, +1.314.274.aabb is tslater
15:18:54 <Zakim> sorry, tslater, I do not recognize a party named '+1.314.274.aabb'
15:19:09 <Huajun> Zakim, passcode
15:19:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', Huajun
15:19:18 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
15:19:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:19:48 <tslater> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:19:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', tslater
15:20:20 <chimezie> www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0616-CWI/HCLS
15:21:05 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0616-CWI/HCLS#(1)
15:21:43 <josh> josh has left #hcls
15:21:58 <Zakim> +??P2
15:22:09 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0616-CWI/HCLS Introduction to Semantic Technologies (SPARQL, GRDDL, RDFa, OWL, SPASQL, SPDL …)
15:22:14 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:22:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen, +1.215.652.aaee, marco, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aagg, mt, mscottm, +1.781.904.aahh, +1.212.937.aaii, +1.207.963.aajj,
15:22:17 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso, Kei_Cheung, +0493516aall, andreasplendiani (muted), Don_Doherty, ??P2
15:22:25 <chimezie> These are the slides ericP: is speaking about currently
15:22:30 <chimezie> scribe: chimezie
15:22:44 <chimezie> ericP: On slide 1: Drug discovery
15:22:50 <AdrianP> Zakim, aall is me
15:22:50 <Zakim> +AdrianP; got it
15:22:55 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:22:55 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:23:13 <chimezie> ericP:  The first question is "Find me genes involved in signal transduction that are related to pyramidal neurons."
15:23:28 <chimezie> ... this question demonstrates the value of using semantic web representation
15:23:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:23:33 <tslater> ok, Ted Slater is on the phone at the +1.314.274.aabb number, on irc as tslater, but i don't see me showing up in the phone list
15:23:42 <chimezie> ... if you attempt to ask the question via google, you get several irrelevant results
15:23:54 <chimezie> ... on slide 4 (we ask this question of pubmed)
15:24:30 <Huajun> Zakim,[IPcaller] is Huajun
15:24:30 <Zakim> +Huajun; got it
15:24:34 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:24:37 <chimezie> ericP: the problem is that the question is still not structured.  Now what if we want to ask a structured query against a database with the relevant data
15:25:31 <chimezie> ... the goal is to integrate the databases (go to slide 6)
15:26:31 <chimezie> ... on slide 7: the goal is to integrate the data sources such that the query consults the 4 relevant databases (journal articles, p. neurons, signal transduction and their components, ...)
15:27:24 <chimezie> ericP: on slide8: we reduce the information to triples and store them in a DB as triples
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15:27:49 <Helen> Zakim,+0493516aall is Helen Chen
15:27:49 <Zakim> I don't understand '+0493516aall is Helen Chen', Helen
15:28:15 <AdrianP> Zakim, who's making noise?
15:28:19 <mscottm> Zakim,+0493516aall is Helen
15:28:19 <Zakim> sorry, mscottm, I do not recognize a party named '+0493516aall'
15:28:21 <chimezie> on slide 9: we see examples of results (that were vetted)
15:28:26 <Zakim> AdrianP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kingsley_Idehen (23%), +0186528aagg (15%), +7.233.aakk (4%), +1.207.963.aajj (80%)
15:29:24 <chimezie> ericP: see slide 10: We began with a 'good-enough model': simple, relationships and classifications
15:29:38 <Zakim> + +1.212.217.aamm
15:30:30 <chimezie> ericP: unification of key terms was crucial for answering the questions
15:30:50 <chimezie> ... there were 2 W3C notes that were the result of this work
15:31:18 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/kb/ A Prototype Knowledge Base for the Life Sciences
15:31:44 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/hcls-senselab/ Experiences with the conversion of SenseLab databases to RDF/OWL
15:32:19 <chimezie> kei: quick modeling was done using RDF, how does this differ from using OWL?
15:32:56 <chimezie> ericP: The data is writen in RDF, some of it is described in OWL, however, the OWL modeling was not done upfront
15:33:46 <chimezie> ericP: the Gene ontology is an example of where OWL was used to describe classes of protein
15:34:22 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=BrainstormingSlides.ppt
15:35:45 <ericP> http://tinyurl.com/55ozfp
15:38:00 <AdrianP> q?
15:38:16 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:38:16 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:38:23 <ericP> ack AdrianP 
15:38:38 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:38:38 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:38:46 <chimezie> vipul: the methodology has been to function in a consensus manner
15:39:04 <chimezie> ... there was a significant social engineering component
15:39:15 <chimezie> ... the driving force is consensus not technology
15:39:36 <chimezie> vipul: the first decision was the usecase to develop for the prototype
15:40:01 <chimezie> ... various usecases were discussed and the decision was made to focus on patient recruitment
15:40:31 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:40:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-hcls-minutes.html ericP
15:40:37 <chimezie> vipul: a main assumptin was that the data was in an EMR in order to demonstrate interoperability
15:40:38 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
15:40:56 <chimezie> vipul: how do we reuse clinical data for research?
15:41:05 <chimezie> ... HL7 RIM can be viewed as a format for clinical practice data
15:41:22 <chimezie> ... CDISC can be viewed as a format for clinical research questions
15:41:47 <chimezie> vipul: suppose we had a mapping module, how can it be made flexible to encorporate changes in these formats
15:42:22 <ericP> Zakim, please mute Kingsley_Idehen
15:42:22 <Zakim> Kingsley_Idehen should now be muted
15:42:26 <chimezie> vipul: there was a lot of debate with no answers
15:42:50 <chimezie> ... we used GALEN, CPR, helen's eligibility criteria ontology, SDTM, HL7 RIM, etc..
15:43:01 <chimezie> ... the conclusion was that no one ontology or information model was likely to fit the bill
15:43:18 <chimezie> ... so the goal was to align with existing terminologies but address inadequacies in these source terminologies
15:43:39 <chimezie> vipul: the goal is to provide constructive feedback to the originating standards bodies
15:44:10 <chimezie> vipul: the goal of extensibility is still a target
15:44:34 <chimezie> vipul: we want to demonstrate re-use
15:44:50 <chimezie> ... patient recruitment against EMR is a demonstration of re-use of clinical data for research questions
15:45:19 <Zakim> - +1.212.937.aaii
15:45:29 <chimezie> ... we want to show that even though data is coded via SNOMED-CT how can queries expressed in NCI thesaurus terms be invoked on the source data to answer questions?
15:45:57 <chimezie> vipul: two of the seed models: SDTM & HL7 RIM
15:46:34 <jzhao> zakim, +4401865281094 is jzhao
15:46:34 <Zakim> sorry, jzhao, I do not recognize a party named '+4401865281094'
15:46:50 <chimezie> vipul: we are mostly interested in re-using the mapping for other scenarios.
15:47:04 <Helen> zakim, mute me
15:47:04 <Zakim> sorry, Helen, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:47:11 <chimezie> ... for example: consider hl7:substanceAdminstration and sdtm:concommitantMedication
15:47:19 <chimezie> ... we would like to reuse these terms across various scenarios
15:47:34 <jzhao> zakim, mute me
15:47:34 <Zakim> sorry, jzhao, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:47:39 <chimezie> vipul: decision 3: this was a key decision - We implemented teh POC using a real world dataset instead of a synthesized dataset
15:47:49 <chimezie> ... what would be an appropriate seed information model for the data we use?
15:48:11 <chimezie> ... We are very thankful to Parsai for providing the source data
15:48:27 <chimezie> vipul: the information model mapping is the core of the effort 
15:48:44 <chimezie> kei: is the seed data publicaly available?
15:48:54 <chimezie> vipul: in the POC, the data is anonymized
15:49:05 <chimezie> ... there is some demographic data, however
15:49:11 <jzhao> zakim, mute jzhao
15:49:11 <jzhao> zakim, +0186528aadd is jzhao
15:49:11 <Zakim> sorry, jzhao, I do not know which phone connection belongs to jzhao
15:49:12 <Zakim> sorry, jzhao, I do not recognize a party named '+0186528aadd'
15:49:19 <chimezie> ... in the real world, we will need to address privacy and encryption issues
15:49:35 <chimezie> ... we are transforming the queries and not the source data formats
15:50:07 <ericP> we are pushing the query all the way into the database
15:50:38 <chimezie> vipul: the W3C is clearly interested in working with external standards organizations
15:50:50 <chimezie> ... there is an implication about w3C being content neutral
15:51:01 <chimezie> ... this doesn't mean that gaps/inadequacies will be represented as is
15:51:15 <chimezie> ... the goal is to address these inadequecies and give feedback to the standard bodies
15:51:20 <AdrianP> zakim, aadd is jzhao
15:51:20 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianP, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
15:51:31 <AdrianP> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:51:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.740.aabb, Kingsley_Idehen (muted), +1.215.652.aaee, marco, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aagg, mt, mscottm, +1.781.904.aahh, +1.207.963.aajj (muted),
15:51:34 <chimezie> vipul: Bron Kisler (from CDISC) is interested in such a collaboration given our content neutrality
15:51:35 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso, Kei_Cheung, AdrianP (muted), andreasplendiani (muted), Don_Doherty, ??P2, Huajun, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.212.217.aamm
15:52:33 <chimezie> vipul: (the architecture) the mapping module transforms queries (in two places) in order to align the queries with the source data
15:52:52 <chimezie> vipul: ericP is experimenting with SPASQL query engine for purposes of the POC implementation
15:53:12 <chimezie> vipul: we made an assumption that terminology in clinical trials and clinical practice are different
15:53:23 <chimezie> ... the technology choice is: SPARQL and N3 rules (we prefer N3 rules)
15:54:47 <chimezie> vipul: there are issues with the mapping between concepts related to medication and medication classifications
15:55:33 <chimezie> ... the usecase is such that the criteria is specified, this is translated to HL7 RIM, this is translated to the underlying SQL-like language, then component 6 identifies patients relevant to the query
15:55:58 <ericP> Zakim, ack me
15:55:58 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:56:08 <chimezie> ... there is an open question about the expressivity of SPARQL vs. N3 rules
15:56:29 <ericP> Zakim, ack ericP
15:56:29 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:56:31 <AdrianP> declarative rules vs. SPARQL, ... e.g.  no real rule chaining in SPARQL
15:56:33 <ericP> Zakim, unmute ericP
15:56:33 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ericP
15:57:15 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/SPARQL8.html
15:57:34 <ericP> Zakim, unmute me
15:57:34 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted
15:58:01 <chimezie> ericP: we have some work to do yet on the query translation component
15:58:08 <chimezie> vipul: a couple of months remain on this task
15:58:39 <ericP> Zakim, unmute me
15:58:39 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted
15:58:57 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/InterOntologyMapping.html
16:02:42 <chimezie> ericP: Translational medicine is important for determining which medications are relevant at the point of care based on the evidence of controlled research
16:02:58 <chimezie> ... the task is rather similar to computer-assisted diagnoses
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16:03:20 <matthiassamwald> what you describe sounds more like "personalized medicine".
16:03:22 <Zakim> -mscottm
16:03:27 <chimezie> ericP: the interest in Pharmaceutical Companies is how to improve the effectiveness of their medications from the research done
16:03:46 <chimezie> mscotm: okay
16:05:04 <chimezie> mscottm: translation medicine is more 'bench-to-bedside' where we are attempting to connect two disparate areas: clinical practice / data and biological research
16:05:13 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:05:52 <chimezie> ... personalized medicine is one application within this larger realm
16:06:35 <chimezie> mscottm: ericP was interested in using the wiki to solicit feedback on other projects to consider
16:06:53 <chimezie> ... esp. now we have new members with new datasets and new problems relevant to this interest group
16:07:17 <jzhao> jzhao has joined #HCLS
16:07:20 <chimezie> ... is there anyone out there working on a particular project relevant to translation to RDF/OWL?
16:08:46 <AdrianP> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas
16:08:46 <chimezie> mscottm: there was a recent project suggestion we can use as a strawman
16:09:24 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/mid/486217F4.6020205@inf.unibz.it
16:09:26 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/mid/486217F4.6020205@inf.unibz.it
16:09:32 <Zakim> -??P2
16:09:43 <andreasplendiani> nope
16:09:50 <andreasplendiani> access restricted
16:10:08 <chimezie> mscottm: (reads out the idea sent to member-restricted archive)
16:10:31 <chimezie> ... Reading through the meeting minutes, KB description, and proposals for 
16:10:31 <chimezie> the KB enhancements, I was wondering if you think there may be interest 
16:10:33 <chimezie> in extending the technology-part with "ontology-based data access"
16:11:47 <chimezie> ericP: adding the project to the Project_Ideas page
16:12:03 <chimezie> mscottm: This would be a project under the KB enhancement section
16:12:05 <vipul> q?
16:12:09 <vipul> q+
16:12:20 <mscottm> ack vipul
16:12:22 <Zakim> - +7.233.aakk
16:12:24 <chimezie> ack, vipul
16:12:51 <chimezie> vipul: if we suggest technology extensions we should include a description of the ROI
16:13:36 <mscottm> vipul: when suggesting a particular technology for a project, one should explain the value of that particular tech to the user
16:13:37 <Zakim> - +1.703.740.aabb
16:14:47 <ericP> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas
16:14:55 <ericP> KB++ OWL Ontology queries over RDBs
16:15:35 <chimezie> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/OWL-RDB "OWL-RDB"
16:15:43 <chimezie> This latter link is where we are filling out the project idea
16:16:00 <chimezie> kei: perhaps we need categories of projects?
16:16:25 <Zakim> -cthompso
16:16:37 <chimezie> ... other categories: terminological frameworks, use-case driven (specific to domains), drug discovery, diseases, traditional chinese medicine
16:17:28 <marco> I am afraid I have to leave you. Thank you for the interesting meeting. I will disconnect silently to not disturb too much. Goodbye!
16:17:42 <mscottm> bye marco
16:17:42 <chimezie> marco: take care
16:17:47 <Zakim> -marco
16:17:59 <ericP> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/OWL-RDB
16:18:02 <AdrianP> q+
16:18:09 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:18:09 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:18:48 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:18:48 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:19:46 <chimezie> One value proposition / ROI of this project idea could be the ability to reuse organized, existing ontologies as a way to query more idiosyncratic data sources
16:19:50 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:19:50 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:20:41 <chimezie> ... this would allow researchers to query the KB using consensus terminology 
16:21:17 <chimezie> kei: perhaps we need footnotes, etc. to better explain the projects
16:21:29 <mscottm> ack AdrianP
16:21:44 <chimezie> AdrianP: are we moving to Semantic Media Wiki?
16:21:47 <chimezie> ericP: yes we are
16:21:51 <AdrianP> great
16:22:24 <AdrianP> q-
16:22:29 <kidehen> ericP: do ping me re. Semantic MediaWiki etc. in relation to Virtuoso hosting etc.. when you have a moment
16:22:42 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:22:42 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:23:06 <chimezie> kei: one proposal: Extending the senselab project to add more content to existing data
16:23:19 <chimezie> ... considering a translational medicine component 
16:23:43 <chimezie> ... linking this to the clinical side
16:24:51 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:24:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kingsley_Idehen (muted), +1.215.652.aaee, +0186528aagg, mt, +1.781.904.aahh, ericP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Kei_Cheung, AdrianP (muted), andreasplendiani (muted),
16:24:55 <Zakim> ... Don_Doherty, Huajun, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.212.217.aamm
16:25:15 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
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16:25:42 <Zakim> -Huajun
16:25:42 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
16:25:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kingsley_Idehen (muted), +1.215.652.aaee, +0186528aagg, mt, +1.781.904.aahh, ericP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Kei_Cheung, AdrianP (muted), andreasplendiani (muted),
16:25:47 <Zakim> ... Don_Doherty, +1.212.217.aamm
16:25:48 <zenhack> Marc Hadfield / nic zenhack / 212-217-9956
16:25:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see zenhack, AdrianP, vipul, mbevil, Helen, Donald_Doherty, kei, Karen, kidehen, mt, RRSAgent, mscottm, Zakim, chimezie, Huajun, jar286, dbooth, ericP
16:26:32 <mbevil> Zackim, +1.215.652.aaee is me
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16:26:40 <zenhack> zakim +1.212.217.aamm isme
16:26:41 <kidehen> zakim +1 781 273 0900 is me
16:26:52 <mbevil> Zakim, +1.215.652.aaee is me
16:26:52 <Zakim> +mbevil; got it
16:27:06 <zenhack> zakim, +1.212.217.aamm is me
16:27:06 <Zakim> +zenhack; got it
16:27:14 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:27:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kingsley_Idehen (muted), mbevil, +0186528aagg, mt, +1.781.904.aahh, ericP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Kei_Cheung, AdrianP (muted), andreasplendiani (muted), Don_Doherty,
16:27:17 <Zakim> ... zenhack
16:28:16 <kidehen> zakim +1781273.aahh is me 
16:28:20 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.781.904.aahh is kidehen
16:28:20 <Zakim> +kidehen; got it
16:28:38 <mscottm> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.countrycallingcodes.com%2FReverse-Lookup.php%3Fcalling-code%3D86&ei=nMNjSKOZFIqewgH1rNHIDw&usg=AFQjCNH7WjQca7vwPs0Djt_KjWUBg76lrA&sig2=zI4sJHmlmt8677wzHBP2aA
16:28:56 <AdrianP> bye
16:28:57 <Zakim> -mbevil
16:29:06 <kidehen> Zakim who is here
16:29:39 <Zakim> -AdrianP
16:29:43 <andreasplendiani> bye
16:29:51 <Zakim> -andreasplendiani
16:29:52 <andreasplendiani> andreasplendiani has left #HCLS
16:30:33 <chimezie> I unfortunately, have a hard-cutt off @ 12:30 EST PM and thus will have to sign off
16:30:49 <mscottm> bye and thanks chimezie 
16:30:59 <chimezie> np, take care :)
16:31:01 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:31:28 <Zakim> - +0186528aagg
16:33:39 <mscottm> ericP: it is useful to use membership list to manage the mailing list BUT it remains open for public comment. So, non-members can still request subscription by sending mail to eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
16:34:12 <mscottm> Also, we are open to Invited Expert applications
16:34:52 <mscottm> you can apply for Invited Expert status here: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
16:35:21 <mscottm> bye all
16:35:22 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
16:35:24 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:35:25 <Zakim> -mt
16:35:25 <Zakim> -kidehen
16:35:26 <Zakim> -zenhack
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16:35:33 <Zakim> -ericP
16:40:33 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Kingsley_Idehen, in SW_HCLS()11:00AM
16:40:39 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:40:40 <Zakim> Attendees were +0186528aaaa, +1.703.740.aabb, Scott_Marshall, +1.781.273.aacc, Kerstin_Forsberg, +0186528aadd, Kingsley_Idehen, +0186528aagg, marco, mscottm, +1.212.937.aaii,
16:40:46 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, +7.233.aakk, cthompso, Kei_Cheung, +0493516aall, mt, andreasplendiani, Don_Doherty, AdrianP, Huajun, Vipul_Kashyap, ericP, mbevil, zenhack, kidehen
16:43:13 <mscottm> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:43:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-hcls-minutes.html mscottm
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