20:03:36 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
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20:04:15 <Ben> zakim, list conferences
20:04:16 <Zakim> I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, WAI_PFWG(ARIA)3:00PM active
20:04:18 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_SMLWG(Editors)4:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM
20:04:20 <Ben> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
20:04:20 <Zakim> ok, Ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:04:27 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, ??P6, ??P8
20:04:32 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:04:33 <Tim> Tim has joined #wai-wcag
20:04:35 <Ben> zakim, ??P8 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:04:35 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:05:02 <Zakim> +??P11
20:05:15 <David_MacDonald> David is p6? i think
20:05:18 <rellero> zakim, ?PP11 is Roberto_Ellero
20:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '?PP11'
20:05:25 <Ben> zakim, ??P6 is David_MacDonald
20:05:25 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
20:05:37 <rellero> 04 01zakim, ??P11 is Roberto_Ellero
20:05:52 <David_MacDonald> I'm talking can you hear me
20:06:11 <Loretta> NO.
20:06:11 <rellero> zakim, ?P11 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:11 <Zakim> sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '?P11'
20:06:22 <David_MacDonald> my mother would like that
20:06:30 <rellero> zakim, ??P11 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:30 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:06:31 <Loretta> (Sorry to shout!)
20:06:34 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:06:46 <Ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008AprJun/0081.html
20:06:52 <David_MacDonald> I'l try to get my headset working
20:07:00 <Ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:07:07 <David_MacDonald> I can hear ok
20:07:09 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions
20:07:22 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 19 June 2008
20:07:54 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:07:55 <Zakim> +Don
20:07:59 <David_MacDonald> I'm still trying to get my talking to work
20:08:36 <Ben> scribe: Tim
20:08:40 <Ben> zakim, take up agnedum 1
20:08:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up agnedum 1', Ben
20:08:47 <Ben> zakim, agenda?
20:08:47 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
20:08:48 <Zakim> 1. Announcements, Questions, and Updates [from Ben]
20:08:49 <Zakim> 2. Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions [from Ben]
20:08:49 <Tim> Topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:08:50 <Zakim> 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 19 June 2008 [from Ben]
20:08:53 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:08:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
20:09:05 <Ben> RRSAgent, make log world
20:10:09 <Ben> Regrets: Chris_Brownrigg, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Don_Evans
20:10:41 <Ben> zakim, close this agendum
20:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:10:42 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:10:43 <Zakim> 2. Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions [from Ben]
20:10:47 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:10:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions" taken up [from Ben]
20:10:52 <Tim> Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions
20:11:26 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.8: Not interfering with the user agent's reflow of text ...
20:12:04 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:15:22 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
20:15:50 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.8: Specifying borders and layout in CSS to delineate areas ...
20:16:05 <Zakim> +??P4
20:17:08 <Karl> Karl has joined #wai-wcag
20:18:36 <Tim> Resolution: send back for additional work
20:19:02 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.8: Providing a mechanism to remove full justification of text
20:20:04 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:20:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, David_MacDonald, Gregg_and_Ben, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Don,
20:20:08 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, ??P4
20:29:10 <Tim> ACTION: Loretta to review names of techniques for consistency 
20:29:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:29:38 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
20:30:15 <Tim> Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 19 June 2008
20:30:45 <Ben> zakim, close agendum 2
20:30:45 <Zakim> agendum 2, Miscellaneous Proposals for 12 June 2008, first 3 questions, closed
20:30:45 <Tim> Topic:  Issue 2600: accessibility supported technology
20:30:47 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
20:30:48 <Zakim> 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 19 June 2008 [from Ben]
20:30:50 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
20:30:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 19 June 2008" taken up [from Ben]
20:34:34 <Loretta> q?
20:34:54 <Tim> ack David
20:34:58 <Ben> zakim, Ben_and_Gregg is David
20:34:58 <Zakim> sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named 'Ben_and_Gregg'
20:35:09 <Ben> zakim, Gregg_and_Ben is David
20:35:09 <Zakim> +David; got it
20:35:21 <Ben> zakim, David_MacDonald is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:35:21 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:35:27 <Ben> zakim, David is David_MacDonald
20:35:27 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
20:35:33 <Ben> zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
20:35:33 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:41:37 <Ben> zakim, [Microsoft] is Cynthia_Shelly
20:41:37 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:42:45 <Tim> ack Cynthia
20:42:55 <Tim> ack [Microsoft]
20:43:03 <Ben> ack [M
20:47:11 <Ben> zakim, who is making noise?
20:47:22 <Zakim> Ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (86%), David_MacDonald (24%)
20:57:45 <Tim> ACTION: David to look for wording in WCAG documents related to accessibility vs. usability
20:58:51 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
21:01:36 <Tim> Resolution: leave open
21:02:22 <Tim> Topic: Misc. Revisions to 1.2.3 and 1.2.5 (Audio Description) Sufficient Techniques
21:03:15 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
21:03:31 <Tim> Topic: Updates to G78: Providing a second, user-selectable, audio track that includes audio descriptions
21:06:28 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
21:06:47 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient Technique for 1.2.3 and 1.2.5: Providing a second version of a movie with audio descriptions
21:12:16 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:12:35 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended  
21:12:53 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.3, 1.4.6: Providing a control with a sufficient contrast ratio that ...
21:16:50 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
21:17:19 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.8: Providing a multi color selection tool ...
21:20:25 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
21:20:37 <Tim> Resolution: accepted as proposed
21:21:02 <Tim> Topic: Delete Sufficient technique for 1.4.8: Specifying all foreground and background color ...
21:25:23 <Tim> Action: Cynthia to review failure F24 to make sure it handles the Windows high-contast scheme
21:25:47 <Tim> Resolution: accepting as proposed
21:26:12 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 2.3.1: Using all possible 341 x 256 pixel rectangles on 1024 x 768 pixel ...
21:41:02 <Zakim> -Don
21:41:27 <Zakim> +Don
21:43:01 <Zakim> -Don
21:43:21 <Zakim> +Don
21:43:47 <Ben> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
21:45:58 <Zakim> -??P4
21:50:43 <Tim> Resolved: to accept new sufficient techniques for 2.3.1, revisions to G15, and new GXX keeping the flash area small enough
21:51:32 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 2.3.1: Using actual viewing distance to calculate a 10 degree field ...
21:51:50 <Tim> Resolution: drop (combined with others)
21:52:19 <Tim> Topic: Sufficient technique for 3.3.1 and 3.3.3: Providing client-side validation and adding error text via the DOM
21:55:40 <Tim> Action: Loretta to add screen shots
21:55:52 <Tim> Resolution: accept proposal as amended
21:56:30 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
21:56:31 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
21:56:33 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:56:35 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:56:36 <Zakim> -Cooper
21:56:37 <Zakim> -Don
21:56:40 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:56:44 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:56:46 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:58:29 <Ben> Present: Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Don_Evans, Katie_Haritos-Shea,  Karl_Groves, Cynthia_Shelly
21:58:31 <Ben> Zakim, bye
21:58:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Don,
21:58:31 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
21:58:34 <Ben> RRSAgent, bye
21:58:34 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
21:58:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta to review names of techniques for consistency  [1]
21:58:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-29-10
21:58:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to look for wording in WCAG documents related to accessibility vs. usability [2]
21:58:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-57-45
21:58:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cynthia to review failure F24 to make sure it handles the Windows high-contast scheme [3]
21:58:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-23
21:58:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta to add screen shots [4]
21:58:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-55-40
21:58:34 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Cynthia_Shelly