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17:27:04 <AllanJ> zakim, this will be wai_u
17:27:04 <Zakim> ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
17:38:49 <AllanJ> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0131.html
17:39:59 <AllanJ> Chair: Jim Allan
17:40:15 <AllanJ> Title: UAWG call
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17:59:21 <jeanne> zakim, code?
17:59:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
17:59:38 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
17:59:45 <Zakim> +jeanne
18:00:25 <jeanne> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0131.html
18:01:15 <jeanne> agenda+ Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list
18:01:33 <jeanne> Agenda + choose a scribe
18:01:49 <jeanne> agenda + Surveys: Printing and UAAG and @alt
18:02:16 <jeanne> AllanJ or Jim, am I on the wrong call?
18:03:05 <Zakim> +AllanJ
18:03:15 <jeanne> agenda+ Keyboard access controls visibility.
18:04:21 <jeanne> agenda + Summer Schedule for Meetings
18:04:40 <jeanne> regrets: Jan Richards, Simon Harper
18:06:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:07:09 <jeanne> zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly Ford
18:07:09 <Zakim> I don't understand '[Microsoft] is Kelly Ford', jeanne
18:07:41 <jeanne> zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly
18:07:41 <Zakim> +Kelly; got it
18:09:51 <jeanne> next agenda
18:11:19 <jeanne> JA: we were expecting Alan Cantor this week. 
18:12:49 <Zakim> +Judy
18:13:44 <jeanne> scribe: jeanne
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18:14:08 <jeanne> next agenda
18:14:11 <judy> zakim, who's here?
18:14:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeanne, AllanJ, Kelly, Judy
18:14:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, AllanJ
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18:14:32 <jeanne> next item
18:14:38 <jeanne> close agenda 2
18:15:19 <jeanne> next item
18:17:10 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/UAAG20080611/results
18:18:02 <AllanJ> Jim suggests preamble: A User Agent's purpose is to present author supplied content (including alternative content) written in a markup language to a user in a human readable form.
18:19:38 <jeanne> KF: Wording is consistent with the rest of documents. 
18:20:33 <AllanJ> JS: makes sense, is needed
18:25:38 <jeanne> Resolved: Accept the Jan phrasing with the addition proposed by JA above.
18:27:04 <jeanne> next item
18:27:44 <jeanne> open agenda item 3
18:28:24 <jeanne> resolved: accept language for printing to the working draft
18:30:47 <jeanne> JA: reviewed keyboard proposal history, there is a proposal that was written on keyboard
18:31:15 <Zakim> -jeanne
18:32:38 <AllanJ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0042.html
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18:33:15 <AllanJ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0042.html
18:37:05 <jeanne> JS: This proposal doesn't include the items we discussed last week: exposing the keyboard shortcuts, allowing users to remap shortcuts, shortcuts are persistent from session to session, remapped shortcuts can be imported and exported. 
18:37:39 <jeanne> JB: There should not be an assumption that keyboard users are using assistive technology
18:38:47 <jeanne> KF: The discussion back in April, was JB satisfied with the technique used Office 2007 ribbon?
18:39:39 <jeanne> JB: the way that Microsoft was doing the visual indicators was good. 
18:40:12 <jeanne> KF: We need to find the  right language to guide people to the behavior that we want.
18:40:43 <jeanne> JB: Is this 4.1.1 supposed to include the visual indicator issues? 
18:40:50 <jeanne> JA: No. 
18:41:23 <jeanne> JB: So does 4.1.1 do what it should? 
18:41:44 <jeanne> JA: The keyboard can be used for everything except drawing. 
18:42:10 <jeanne> resolved: the wording of 4.1.1 will be put into the draft
18:42:30 <jeanne> JB: What's the status on the language for visual indicators
18:42:32 <AllanJ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html
18:44:33 <jeanne> JA: All the words with asterisks are supposed to be defined in the glossary.
18:45:47 <AllanJ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0078.html
18:46:36 <jeanne> Above link is a list of keyboard commands and definitions
18:46:44 <Zakim> -AllanJ
18:47:14 <Zakim> +AllanJ
18:47:53 <jeanne> JB: There are a lot of links in the agenda mail.
18:48:02 <jeanne> JA: These are the same links.
18:48:48 <jeanne> KF: Propose that we revisit the whole keyboard section in order to insure quality.
18:49:26 <jeanne> KF: Collect all the information, put it up on the list, and have people commit to reading it so we can have a meaningful discussion.
18:50:07 <jeanne> JB: Can someone make a new proposal for next week? I will commit to commenting on-line.
18:50:17 <jeanne> ...Or we can discuss it the following week. 
18:51:09 <jeanne> KF: Can commit to delivering it to the meeting on the 26th.
18:51:31 <jeanne> JA: Not available for 3 weeks for vacation.
18:51:57 <jeanne> JB: Participation is down, and this is an issue that has generated interest in the past. 
18:53:17 <jeanne> JB: more discussion on the list will result in increased quality of the language. 
18:54:09 <jeanne> ACTION: jeanne will write a proposal, review it with Judy, and circulate it to the list. 
18:54:40 <jeanne> s/proposal,/proposal for keyboard,
18:55:29 <jeanne> JA: will miss Jun 19, 26, and Jul 3rd meetings. 
18:56:14 <jeanne> JB: Do we have any other major issues?
18:56:25 <jeanne> JA: Video and DOM issues
18:56:50 <jeanne> JB: In the CG meeting it was discussed that the DOM issue was timely. 
18:57:28 <jeanne> JB: Will follow up with Rod Sinclair of AIA on contributing. He is a liaison between AIA and W3C.
18:58:02 <jeanne> ACTION: Judy will follow-up with Rod Sinclair of AIA. 
18:59:08 <jeanne> JA: We want some contribution of expertise from the ARIA group. How the javascript writes to the DOM and repair.
18:59:57 <jeanne> JB: Let's skip next week, as both JA and JB are unavailable. That gives time to make a focused proposal for keyboard shortcuts. 
19:00:48 <jeanne> ...then we can work on keyboard shortcuts on the next meeting. 
19:01:00 <jeanne> JB: Have to finalize the charter. 
19:01:15 <jeanne> JB: Harmonization of glossary with ATAG. 
19:01:29 <jeanne> JB: Test Suite 
19:03:42 <jeanne> KF: What do we have to do to update the dates on the new charter?
19:04:04 <jeanne> JB: It is helpful to have an up-to-date forward view of timeline. 
19:04:35 <jeanne> ...they can be adjusted as they go forward, but it should strive to be accurate. 
19:05:16 <jeanne> ...Once it is done in the WG, then they are sent to W3M for review, then it goes to ??? for a month of review. 
19:05:30 <KFord> can we put a link to our current charter in the meeting notes?
19:05:57 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/draft_uawg_charter_25apr08.html
19:06:50 <jeanne> JB: JS will work on the proposal for keyboard language. JA will assist. 
19:07:54 <jeanne> JB is reviewing the charter information and will be giving feedback next week.  
19:08:16 <jeanne> JA will be available until Thursday 19th.
19:09:26 <jeanne> JB: no meeting on 19. 26th meeting will have discussion on Keyboard proposal. Proposal is placed on the list no later than 23.
19:10:07 <jeanne> ... tentative meeting on 3.  Finish the entire keyboard discussion on July 10.
19:10:22 <jeanne> ... will run by the Access Board.  
19:10:50 <jeanne> ... the DOM discussion is more timely than video.  We should restart discussion on that in parallel. 
19:11:06 <jeanne> Start it on July 10 with material prepared before the meeting.
19:11:13 <jeanne> Jim is back on the 7th. 
19:11:38 <jeanne> JB: There is still recruitment we need to do before that. The video isn't as timely. 
19:11:59 <jeanne> JA: We got all the input we needed on video. We did a lot of work on it already. 
19:12:45 <jeanne> JB: Keyboard issues will be primary on the agenda until it is complete. We can have video as a secondary issue. 
19:12:59 <jeanne> ...then we can focus on DOM. 
19:13:14 <jeanne> JA: Should we be working on TEchniques? 
19:13:49 <jeanne> JB: We need to look at all the deliverables, techniques, test suite, etc, and prioritize. 
19:14:31 <jeanne> KF: Propose that by July 24 we have a clear list of all the work that needs to be accomplished and the dates in which they should be delivered. 
19:15:49 <jeanne> JB: the charter doesn't list all the other deliverables that we are responsible for. 
19:18:13 <jeanne> ...look at SCope: Test Materials should be called "Test Suite". It needs to be in the Milestones. 
19:19:38 <Zakim> -Kelly
19:20:43 <jeanne> ADJOURNED
19:22:02 <jeanne> RRSagent, create minutes
19:22:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne
19:22:31 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
19:28:51 <jeanne> s/AllanJ or Jim, am I on the wrong call?/
19:35:34 <jeanne> rrsagent, create minutes
19:35:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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19:47:09 <Zakim> -Judy
19:47:09 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
19:47:11 <Zakim> Attendees were jeanne, AllanJ, Kelly, Judy
19:53:30 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:53:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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