IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-06-10

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-xmlsec-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 10 June 2008

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0009.html

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+jwray

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yes it is all done

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s/yes it is all done//

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12:59:47 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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+Frederick_Hirsch

13:00:35 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:00:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch

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On IRC I see sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

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+Ed_Simon

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+ +1.857.222.aaaa

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+shivaram

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram

13:03:07 [Zakim]

On IRC I see shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

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+ +1.650.575.aabb

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+deastlak

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zakim, aaaa is sean

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+sean; got it

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+??P12

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zakim, aabb is pdatta

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+pdatta; got it

13:03:26 [shivaram]

zakim, mute me

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shivaram should now be muted

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+brich

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zakim, P12 is robmiller

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sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'

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zakim, ??P12 is rdmiller

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+rdmiller; got it

13:04:04 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:04:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich

13:04:06 [Zakim]

On IRC I see brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

13:04:11 [fjh]

zakim, who is making noise?

13:04:22 [Zakim]

fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (4%), deastlak (34%), rdmiller (4%), brich (5%), Thomas (9%)

13:05:09 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:05:09 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich

13:05:11 [Zakim]

On IRC I see brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

13:05:24 [jwray]

TOPIC: Administrivia

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TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-06-03

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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 2008-06-03 approved.

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TOPIC: Upcoming XML Security WG

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If not already joined WG, contact your rep ASAP

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instructions - http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions

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f2f 16-17 july

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+??P14

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logistics - http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html

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zakim, ??P4 is jcc

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I already had ??P4 as aemmons, fjh

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zakim, ??P14 is jcc

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+jcc; got it

13:09:21 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:09:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich, jcc

13:09:23 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jcruella, brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

13:10:03 [tlr]

zakim, I am thomas

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ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

13:10:05 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

13:10:18 [jwray]

TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition) Proposed Edited Recommendation

13:10:34 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:10:34 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:11:42 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

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When published test document and XML Signature Rec should reference each other

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TOPIC: XML Signature, Second Edition RFC

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q+

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In process, WG should review when available

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Donald has obtained support from IETF area director

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TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update

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q?

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zakim, unmute me

13:14:43 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:15:15 [fjh]

Thomas will provide heads-up on IETF liaison call

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Tim Polk at NIST is security area director in IETF

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Don: Tim Polk at NIST is willing to sponsor; security area director; Lisa D is App Area Director; could be either one.

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... different areas are not sharply divided ...

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... don't know if they can simultaneously sponsor ...

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tlr: happy for Tim to be sponsoring AD

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TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update

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TOPIC: RNG Schema

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Norm Walsh noted a correction to the schema

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0010.html

13:19:27 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

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Thomas should no longer be muted

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action: thomas to repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema

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Created ACTION-165 - Repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].

13:22:06 [jwray]

ACTION: Thomas to re-run tests with updated RNG compact schema

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Created ACTION-166 - Re-run tests with updated RNG compact schema [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].

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+ +1.857.362.aacc

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zakim, aacc is klanz2

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+klanz2; got it

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TOPIC: Best Practices

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/

13:26:36 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:26:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray (muted), Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich, jcc, klanz2 (muted)

13:26:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jwray, klanz2, jcruella, brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot

13:28:50 [jwray]

pratik: 2 sets of changes: First re-org doc into implementors & apps sections and adds rationale. Second addresses timestamps.

13:28:53 [jcruella]

q+

13:29:24 [klanz2]

move to next WG ...

13:29:31 [fjh]

ack thomas

13:29:38 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:29:38 [Zakim]

Thomas was not muted, tlr

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ack tlr

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q-

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zakim, mute me

13:29:45 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

13:29:51 [fjh]

ack jcruella

13:30:34 [klanz2]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/#timestamps

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This one ?

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yes

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jcc: Time stamps as in the link above are from a trusted third party

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the time source is trusted ...

13:32:14 [fjh]

signed times issued by trusted third parties - more than signature is important

13:32:19 [klanz2]

Time Stamping Authoriities issue them

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s/signed/jcc: signed/

13:33:07 [klanz2]

Some Sources : http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=17661

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RFC 3161

13:33:36 [jwray]

ACTION: jcc to propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties.

13:33:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-167 - Propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties. [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-06-17].

13:33:41 [klanz2]

q+

13:33:47 [klanz2]

ack klanz2

13:33:48 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:36:06 [jwray]

TOPIC: Action item review

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ACTION-150 close

13:36:56 [tlr]

trackbot, close ACTION-150

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ACTION-150 Identifiers Registry: distribute a draft regarding identifiers registry closed

13:37:22 [fjh]

information item, no action required by WG

13:37:46 [tlr]

+1 to closing ;-)

13:37:49 [jwray]

trackbot, close ACTION-153

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ACTION-153 Test Case Document: Make the publication of test case document happen closed

13:38:42 [fjh]

action-158 open

13:38:53 [klanz2]

q+

13:39:08 [klanz2]

ack klanz2

13:39:23 [jwray]

trackbot, close ACTION-159

13:39:23 [trackbot]

ACTION-159 Best Practices: Draft proposal for best practices document re signed streaming content in current XML Sig syntax closed

13:39:40 [jwray]

Action 159 to be deferred to next WG

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Sorry, couldn't find user - 159

13:39:46 [fjh]

This will be discussed in the new XML Security WG

13:39:51 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to install tracker instance for upcoming WG - due 2008-07-01

13:39:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-168 - install tracker instance for upcoming WG [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-07-01].

13:40:00 [tlr]

ACTION-159: deferred to next WG

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ACTION-159 Best Practices: Draft proposal for best practices document re signed streaming content in current XML Sig syntax notes added

13:40:25 [jwray]

trackbot, close ACTION-162

13:40:25 [trackbot]

ACTION-162 Best Practices: Reorganize best practices document for implementers, validators and signers, incorporate Pratik's proposed changes provided on list closed

13:40:41 [fjh]

Completed, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0008.html

13:40:54 [jwray]

trackbot, close ACTION-163

13:40:54 [trackbot]

ACTION-163 Best Practices: Add additional text re DSS and XAdES to best practices document closed

13:41:29 [fjh]

completed , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html

13:43:28 [jwray]

trackbot, close ACTION-164

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ACTION-164 WG Coordination: XMLHttpRequest review closed

13:44:16 [jwray]

TOPIC: AOB

13:45:55 [jwray]

fjh Next WG will have to use more rigorous process (e.g. tool to track issues list).

13:47:03 [klanz2]

can we set anchors in the minutes to point/include to relevant discussion ...

13:48:15 [klanz2]

yes

13:48:19 [tlr]

q+

13:48:42 [klanz2]

q-

13:48:43 [fjh]

ack klanz

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ack tlr

13:49:22 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:49:22 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:50:38 [klanz2]

q+

13:50:48 [tlr]

q-

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zakim, mute me

13:50:50 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

13:51:30 [klanz2]

ack klanz2

13:51:31 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:51:31 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:52:36 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/Scribe-Instructions.html

13:53:04 [fjh]

klanz2: need scribing cheat sheet as part of irc window

13:53:22 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to produce updated cheat sheet

13:53:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-169 - Produce updated cheat sheet [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].

13:53:34 [fjh]

asking for suggestions regarding tools and process for upcoming wg. Note that we should be more rigorous on issue tracking.

13:53:47 [klanz2]

thanks

13:53:50 [fjh]

should have means to anchor resolutions and topics in minutes more easily with link anchor

13:54:11 [Zakim]

-sean

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-rdmiller

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-pdatta

13:54:17 [Zakim]

-shivaram

13:54:18 [jwray]

zakim, umute me

13:54:18 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'umute me', jwray

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-jcc

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-Ed_Simon

13:54:26 [jwray]

zakim, unmute me

13:54:26 [Zakim]

jwray should no longer be muted

13:54:44 [Zakim]

-brich

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-Thomas

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-deastlak

13:55:42 [fjh]

Zakim, list participants

13:55:42 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram, +1.650.575.aabb, deastlak, sean, pdatta, brich, rdmiller, jcc,

13:55:46 [Zakim]

... +1.857.362.aacc, klanz2

13:55:53 [fjh]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

13:55:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh

13:55:54 [klanz2]

are wa adjourned?

13:56:01 [Zakim]

-klanz2

13:56:02 [klanz2]

bye

13:56:04 [fjh]

yes, we are adjourned

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Scribe: John Wray

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Present: John Wray, Frederick Hirsch, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullan, Rob Miller, Pratik Datta, Konrad Lanz, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Donald Eastlake, Shivaram Mysore, Ed SImon, Bruce Rich

13:58:29 [fjh]

action-165 delete

13:58:47 [fjh]

action-165 close

13:58:54 [jwray]

trackbot, delete ACTION-165

13:58:54 [trackbot]

Sorry, jwray, I don't understand 'trackbot, delete ACTION-165'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

13:59:14 [fjh]

trackbot, close action-165

13:59:14 [trackbot]

ACTION-165 Repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema closed

13:59:26 [fjh]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

13:59:26 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh

14:00:44 [Zakim]

-Frederick_Hirsch

14:00:47 [Zakim]

-jwray

14:00:47 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram, +1.650.575.aabb, deastlak, sean, pdatta, brich, rdmiller, jcc, +1.857.362.aacc, klanz2